including the us are working on making them a reality human rights groups are now trying to ban killer robots from ever being used human rights watch is calling for an international treaty to stop the development and use of autonomous weapons for more i'm joined now by bonnie dougherty a of the international human rights clinic at harvard law and a senior researcher in the arms of vision of human rights watch bonnie welcome so this all sounds like something out of a science fiction movie how far is this from becoming a reality. well most experts predict that within twenty to thirty years these weapons could actually exist and as you mentioned precursors are already in existence and deployed or in development around the world. now we've reported on a lot here at our table the use of drones and how they have become a key part of military operations these days now these the u.a.e. as they are they fly without a pilot on board what sets these killer machines apart from drones drones continue to have a human in the loop in that there is a person decides when the machine should fire with fully autonomous weapons or killer robots they wou

and tom malinowski, washington director of human rights watch and a former state department and national security council staffer in the clinton administration. there have been years of chill and years of demands for change. now an american president in the capital. were there some preconditions that the government there had to meet before that kind of endorsement? >> they had to start this reform process but there weren't any preconditions for the trip itself which made the trip kind of risky. you can only send the president of the united states to burma for the first time in history once. so the question was, what was president obama going to get for this apart from the imagery and the speech and there's the glorious aspects of the trip that we saw. we saw that in the video.

the international group human rights watch reported last month that government forces had used the bombs. government officials say they don't have such weapons. >>> some scientists warn only drastic cuts in emissions of greenhouse cases will save the environment. they're trying to come up with a new frame work to reduce emissions. representatives of developed and developing nations remain divided over how to move forward. >>> delegates are trying to figure out what to do after the protocol expires at the end of the year. the new frame work is supposed to come into force in 2020. >> we need to agree next steps toward negotiating the 2015 agreement with a particular focus on the work to be done next year. >> china's delegates should extend the existing frame work before come can go up with a new one. >> the key talks include establishing a ratifiable legally binding commitment period under a the protocol. >> representatives of developed nations want to avoid clauses that place it on their country for reduces emissions. those with developed countries want more help in cutting greenhouse gas

government, but he met with the aclu, with human rights watch, with amnesty international, so, yes, they want to promote global law, they're working with foreign governments. there's a total connection, so you're absolutely right. >> so i think like most of this room i agree with the general sentiment here that losing sovereignty for america to transnational entities is a very dangerous thing. so i'll ask a more theoretical question which is what's so great about the nation-state? it seems like some to have arguments you're advancing -- some of the arguments you're advancing could also be in favor of state sovereignty, against the nation-state or local sovereignty against the states or the nation-state. so what is it that's so special about the nation-state other than the fact that it's what we happen to have? >> yeah, that's a good question. and the founders, of course, that's where i go for my, that's what i start with. they were thinking of the ancient republics which were city-states, but as madison said in federalist 10, it has to be broader. and, in fact, by having a broader reseem

what's the purpose of human rights watch? what do they want to achieve? well, they say this in all the literature. they want to achieve the supremacy of global law over national law. .. and the united states of america. well, what the disgrace. how can the united states be a world leader on women's rights and not sign this treaty clocks let's take a look. what would ratification mean? we don't have to guess what it means. the american bar association has a book on their web site report, 200 pages explaining exactly what american compliance would mean. the aba report is based on the work of the u.n. monitoring committee to go to the countries when they ratified the treaty so when they went to britain or australia or canada the report. what were they telling these countries to do? how would you follow the treaty? well, the report opposes thousands of questions all of them potential lawsuits. the aba explains first of all the treaty is not about equality of opportunity. it's not about equal the under the law. it's about the fact of the quality that is of res

human-rights what has won a journalistic awards for its work -- human rights watch has won a journalistic awards for its works. in the los angeles area, the best investigative reporter now does investigative reporting paid for by the service employees international union local. what about that sort of thing? taken with a grain of salt, is that part of the answer? >> in a world where anyone can buy a newspaper for $12 million, we are close to everyone being pretty open -- newspapers are trying to do -- if a non- governmental organization produces a product that is transparent about things like that -- people can put it together and do in narrative you can understand. >> what do you think? >> i was just going to say, as long as these projects are explicit about where support is coming from, are up front about it, at least you are giving a fighting chance. interestingly, a lot of commercial organizations are not explicit or honest about where their support is coming from. in some ways, we are holding the ngo's and nonprofits to a higher degree of scrutiny. >> you get credibility based on the

. >> warner: tom malinowski is director of human rights watch in washington, d.c., which is working to monitor the situation on the ground. >> one horrific example involves the shelling and bombing of bread lines in cities like aleppo. syrian civilians come out to line up for bread at these bakeries. it's the only way that they have of feeding their families. and when a large group of people gathers, a bomb lands or a shell lands. it's very hard to imagine that that's random. >> warner: one instance, on aug. 21, a government helicopter opened fire on a bread line in an aleppo suburb, killing 21. >> they attack bakeries where they know people are going to be and to get at the food supply for the population. they burn houses, dwellings for civilians. >> warner: jeffrey white, a defense fellow at the washington institute for near east policy, says the syrian government is waging a deliberate scorched- earth strategy. >> it's trying to get at f.s.a. units that are embedded inside the population. where the people are, the f.s.a. tends to be. but it is also to punish the people, the civilian

that the that was committed a few days ago when they captured soldiers and excluded them and human rights watch more than once about the crimes of those terrorist groups and it was described as. a crime this is the first point the second point if you have committed a crime against its people this is devoid of closure because the syrian army is made up of syrian people if you want to commit a crime against your people the army would defy it would disintegrate so you cannot have strongarm unified on me while you're killing your people so the army cannot with a stand for twenty months in these difficult circumstances without having the embrace of the public in syria so how could you how could you have this embrace moment while you're killing your people this is a contradiction so this advance from what it seems from the outside even if you wanted to go. you wouldn't have anywhere to go if i was your girl if you wanted to leave to syria. or to see that this is the only place where we can leave i'm not pop at all isn't being made by the with the with all twenty other countries in syria. maybe in syr

ranks of the opposition forces could be children as young as fourteen according to claims by human rights watch after one rebel group slashed. its fuelling violence by allowing foreign mercenaries into syria international support is with another opposition group the foreign based coalition after france britain and some other countries promised to help this struggle all this as a ram take steps to increase its part in mediating the syrian crisis results for national reporter taking sides could be an obstacle. in the conflict in syria says no end but iran a key regional power and indicated l.-i of syria is continuing and intensifying its efforts for a peaceful resolution to undermine their diplomatic mission to find nonviolent and civil war on its doorstep there and offered to host representatives from all sides of the fighting in syria at a closed door today gathering dubbed no to violence yes democracy took his request for nate to missiles to be deployed on its border with syria through the scorn of iran's foreign ministry was that all that would do is aggravate tensions across the whole region

numerous documents coming out from different organization including amnesty including including human rights watch documenting summary execution of prisoners torture the use of children in these conflict on the part of the rebels but that has been conveniently buried in the headlines time and time again and even some of the reports that didn't know some of these atrocities being committed by the rebels were almost always prefaced by reports of government atrocities and that was buried somewhere down halfway through the article time and time again so it is of course and if the hypocrisy that's underlying this and that's trying to manipulate public opinion certainly in the west to to be on the fours and on the side of these rebel forces the only real plan that's on the table that right now that's feasible is the one that china just put forth the four point proposal for the syrian troops which also does not include any language for assad to step down it does not include include any enforcement language which is a political long starter in washington because of course those are the two key issues that

international human rights watch dogs are now investigating the conflict for war crimes militant rockets targeted israeli cities killing several civilians while television is being condemned by some observers for causing massive collateral damage filmmaker harry fear was inside gaza throughout the bombing. gasser israel's military operation pillar of cloud has officially ended it started with the assassination of a senior hamas commander. buried here. more than one thousand two hundred palestinians were wounded overwhelmingly children and women and over one hundred sixty seven were killed half of them civilians including journalists israel says when it targeted the top and eleventh floor of this the show building and it was targeting hamas as operational communications and injured six when it struck the al could t.v. office just below here. at exactly one fifty three on sunday the occupying forces started bombing our office to set alight channel located on the eleventh floor in the western side of the building and the three rockets hit us my colleagues and i was wounded and one of the st

grounded amid fierce fighting between government troops and rebels the fresh violence comes as human rights watch claim that some of those fighting for the rebels are children as young as fourteen from sprint and some of the countries already pledged their full support for the rebel syrian national coalition now with paris agreeing to the nato rounds a million and a half dollars to their cause and a rare there's another interested party taking steps to increase its role in mediating the syrian crisis result is very fortunate found out taking sides could be an obstacle to peace. the. in syria says no end but iran a key regional power and indicated ally of syria is continuing and intensifying its efforts for a peaceful resolution to undermine their diplomatic mission to find a known violent and to civil war on its doorstep teheran offered to host representatives from all sides of the fighting in syria at a closed door today gathering dubbed no to violence yes democracy took his request for nato missiles to be deployed on its border with syria through the scorn of iran's foreign ministry who said al

numerous documents coming out from different organization including amnesty including including human rights watch documenting summary execution of prisoners torture the use of children in these conflict on the part of the rebels but that has been conveniently buried in the headlines time and time again and even some of the reports that didn't know some of these atrocities being committed by the rebels were almost always prefaced by reports of. into trustees and that was buried somewhere down halfway through the article time and time again so it is of course and it is the hypocrisy that's underlying this and it's trying to manipulate public opinion certainly in the west to to be on the fore is now on the side of these rebel forces. russia has accused meantime the us of encouraging the syrian opposition to carry on fighting against the government instead of political dialogue it's after washington called for a complete shake up of the opposition in syria refeeding plans to bring in militants fighting on the front line political analyst the marcos up of the palace believes the white house is unlikel

defining sorry and even open to all too conservative for interpretation in addition to that take human rights watch actually i know. how to reply. today and that highlighted the problems of women's rights within the constitution in addition there are articles saying things like you cannot insult an individual which can be widely interpreted and misused and of course one of the main issues is a minute you chance to civilians this is the practice is illegal under international law and when the subject of many campaigns by revolutionary forces and he's allowed in the constitution we expect the constitution to be handed to the president today and a referendum in the next few weeks with this continuing disturbance on the streets and more protests are expected really we're not sure how the show back before anything can go ahead certainly on to create today the challenge that i had who are against the constitution they were also against president morsi power grab last week when he made this contentious constitution that curation which basically awarded him supremes power is really people are saying they d

crime but the that was committed few days ago when they captured soldiers excluded them and human rights watch more than once about the crimes all those terrorist groups and it was described as. a crime this is the first point the second point if you have me that committed a crime against its people this is devoid of closure because the syrian army is made up of syrian people if you want to commit a crime against your people the army would be fired would disintegrate so you cannot have strongarm unified on me while you are killing your people so the army cannot with a stand for twenty months in these difficult circumstances without having the embrace of the public in syria so how could you how could you have this embrace moment while you're killing your people this is a contradiction so this advance. what is the last time you spoke into a western leader. before the crisis it was before the crisis for the. where there any time at which they try to give you conditions that if you left the coast of presidency then there will be peace in syria are no no with me perfectly no but whether they propos

peter all over international news a brief tonight human rights watch claims that syrian rebels have been sending children as young as fourteen in their fight in their ranks so often opposition groups lashed out at turkey saying it fuels violence by allowing foreign mercenaries hired to fight against assad into the water own country this is france britain and some other countries pledged support to another level of violence the foreign based coalition paris has already agreed to allocate one point five million dollars to the group. the army has been called in to restore order in the two museum turn of its they are now after three days of clashes left three hundred people injured thousands of demonstrators there are demanding more funding and the resignation of a local government reports say the police response those being tough with officers firing birdshot and tear gas at protesters a town like many that participated in verses revolution is struggling for social conditions and poverty. french court overturned the manslaughter verdict against continental airlines the company which was bla