commissioners, if you have questions we'll hear at the end of the testimony. >> my lucy hungate and i'm owner of 426 ivy street. i found out the day after that the house burned down from a tenant in the apartment building. i didn't go over there then. by couldn't go over there then. i heard federal the guy that was supposed to be living there, the next day -- i live in yuba county. i come down here for every two weeks and stay a few days. it was a longtime tenant. all of a sudden, couple of months, edidn't see him around there. one say i saw this tall gentleman, i had the fire extinguishers done. i left him a note saying it's in the hallway come get it. he never did. month later, i said, i called out to the gentleman, i said is will around? no, but i can talk to him later. i said would you put this extinguisher in. every time i went over there, i made sure i was out in the back, he is the only person i saw in that place. the tenant called me and said he got word that ivy burned down, i wasn't there. >> we on a time limit here. essentially what happened was -- >> what's your name >> i'm