it wasn't hunter biden. it wasn't jim biden. it was the biden family was obviously led and operated by joe biden. and in a document that you guys have and i think has been provided to the world, the chinese reference that because of their trust in the biden family, that chairman ye and director zhang are excited about moving forward in this and in that document they reference loaning $5 million to the bd family. the bd family is the biden family. and notice they didn't say we're loaning that money to oneida holdings or loaning that money to tony bobulinski or we're loaning that money to james gilliar or rob walker, they, once again, a document not generated by me but generatessed by cfc that they're loaning that money to the biden family. tucker: what are the implications of this going forward? if joe biden is elected president which could very well happen. how does this consistent strain his ability -- constrain his ability to deal with china. >> are you asking for my personal opinion? tucker: i am asking for your opinion as so

pressuring the fbi director in a letter to not investigate hunter biden. d democrats know five years ago about democrat eric swalwell entanglement with a chinese spy. did they hush up that and the biden story and going after trump? did any of the 50 former intelligence officials who cosigned a letter saying that the hunter biden story was russian disinformation, did they know a federal probe was already underway into hunter biden for about two years? also more republican say eric swalwell did put national security at risk. we california district is home to a big portion of silicon valley. also, national laboratories that are key to u.s. security. we have top republican and jim filed a new complaint to say, yes, probe eric swalwell. plus, senator ron johnson says the media "had more influence than russia in the election." he told sean hannity that. they blocked out the hunter biden story. we have more of that. they are also now not covering the swalwell story. also tonight, 126 house republicans including kevin mccarthy now supports texas lawsuit against fou

look at hunter biden. under goes on abc news and said i have not received a single penny from the chinese. we now know of course that he got close to $5 million, a chinese government connected energy company, we know he had a big equity stake in a private equity firm, 1 billion in the half. we know there were other transactions involving rosemont realty and rosemont opportunities so he was flat-out lying to the national media. what has been the media's response? nothing. they have accepted it. and not only covered it up, smith of the new york times ran a piece before the election bragging about the fact that the gatekeepers, which include the times and other publications have effectively killed this story and how proud they were of it. we are in a situation today where the grand jury was impaneled in 2018 to look into hunter biden and his foreign dealings, a counterintelligence component, a tax fraud compone component, a public corruption component, this has been going on for two years and nobody in the na

that company starts setting up side deals with hunter biden and sending money to hunter biden and hisssociates via shell companies. talking about millions of dollars, money funding a global shopping spree for james biden and his wife sarah. millions of dollars to off-balance sheet shell companies heading toward the bidens. 20 wires hunter biden involved with sending 1.4 million to james biden's consulting firm. cefc, the china company, wired five million to a shell company controlled by hunter biden. on and on. while they are wiring this money to hunter biden and his associates, china is getting hunter's help to do energy deals in russia. what is your reaction to this part of the story? -- >> first part, hunter biden was thoroughly unqualified to do anything in this sector. clearly the last name was important to the foreign investors. look, the question is not just where the money is going, the question what did they expect to get in return? that is something we don't know and frankly i have to to back up to talk with the congressional investigations, they're never as deep, never conc

these e-mails are hunter biden and jim biden and james and rob walker in the first person.e generating the messages. it's them speaking. the fbi can interview them, but i was shocked that not onlyly the media is going to the other extreme and dismissing it. we went through three years of every day russia, russia, russia. it's just absurd. the cold war is over. >> and they're saying about family.hey're saying about >> yes. the biden family knew you were going public with us. you spoke with rob walker about this, what was his response when you let him know you were going public with this? >> trying to coach me and say we don't want to do that, we don't want press trucks fromm my house, and you have to move, i could lose my job and all that, i'm not trying to cause any harm to anyone in this situation let alone rob walker and his family, james and his family, but basically rob's position was if you go on record with all these facts you will bury all of us. >> if he doesn't come out on record. >> what was your response to that. >> i was focused on pushing these guys to do the r

here's his email to hunter biden.since you couldn't have lived on approximately $550,000 a year," he wrote hunter biden, you "borrowed some money from rosemont seneca in advance of those payments." so here you have hunter biden, the son of joe biden, who is himself a son of scranton, pennsylvania, son of a coal miner, took amtrak to work every day -- this is a person who became so dependent on peddling influence that he couldn't live on a $550,000 a year salary. this is the person joe and dr. jill biden are proud of. the rest of us, and this is not a personal attack, it's just true -- if you're going to restore democracy the rest of us have a right to know exactly where the money came from. what did they do for it? and what effect is going to have on the country going forward? in a democracy that's a very basic request and there's nothing democratic about ignoring the question. in fact it just confirms what's obvious, which is they don't plan to govern this as a democracy, but instead as an oligarchy. sean davis is co

donald trump had no basis to inquire about ukraine and hunter biden. now know that joe biden's state department reported two bribes that came in from burisma while hunter biden was on the board, and it now looks like he has a tax problem as well. there was a good reason to ask for an inquiry, it shows what a sham the impeachment proceeding was. we're getting to see just how right the president was. lou: and and now there's an interesting spin on that, the wife of the former mayor of moscow sending that $2.5 million to the biden intuty. entity. that looks a lot like money land oring, doesn't it? >> well, one of the things that we reported a couple weeks ago, lou, is that she was using hunter biden and her associates to get herself an american bank account. she couldn't get into the american banking system. and e-mails between hunter biden and his colleagues were saying she's flagged, we've got to e help her get in. she certainlied had an interest in accessing the american banking system. until we see all the facts, we won't know, but that's participant

the news john solomon reporting that days before president trump took office, hunter biden was warned't paid taxes on $400,000 that he made with burisma, according to an e-mail on his laptop in executive with biden's advisor e-mailed him a jittery 162017 stating in 2014 you joined the burisma board and we need to amend your 2014 returned to reflect the unreported burisma income that is approximately 400,000 extra so your income in 2014 was close to $1,247,000. joining me now is john solomon editor-in-chief of just the news and best-selling author of fallout the nuclear bribe russian spies in the washington lies that enrich the clinton and biden dynasties which are corporately continued. there was a time, my friend when journalists like us would work closely with prosecutors to try to get to the bottom of the story not just to protect political contacts and people that you favored politically, bob morgan and the wall street journal edit page where i worked we worked closely on the story and brought down the corrupt bank. let me play you how different things are today, first of all we w

look at hunter biden paid hunter biden goes on national television, on abc news, and said i have not received a single penny from the chinese. well, we now no, of course, he got close to $5 million from cfc, a chinese government connected energy company. we know he had a big equity stake in that private equity firm that billion a half dollar private equity firm and we know there were other transactions involving rosemont realty and rosemont opportunities fund so he was flat out lying to the national media and what has been the media's response? nothing. they've taken it and accepted it and in fact, they not only covered it up but ben smith of "the new york times" ran a piece right before the election bragging about the fact that the gatekeepers, which of course includes the times and other publications, had effectively killed the story and how proud they were of it. we are in a situation today mark where a grand jury was impaneled in 2018 to look into hunter biden and his foreign dealings and has a counterintelligence component and has a tax fraud component and has a public corruptio

"the daily caller" reporting that an email from hunter biden shows hunter biden trying to get keys fornd the biden foundation to his d.c. office as well as keys to the cefc official in china who was his business partner. he was trying to get keys for d.c. office and also to both dr. jill biden, joe biden's brother james biden this feels really weird. it was two months prior to this alleged email that cefc had wired five million dollars over to hunter biden. then hunter biden allegedly emails this d.c. office saying hey, make a sign for this, my office there. i wanted to read about you know, the name of my business and also the biden foundation. why would the biden foundation reportedly be sharing an office space with chinese company that wired millions of dollars in questionable actions red flagged by the u.s. treasury rather? >> that kind of money it is more like a key to the city than a key to the office. this goes to a big question we don't have an answer for, we'll not get it from the biden camp directly. what was being expected? when there is money given to hunter biden or his ass

they are black out on the hunter biden story before the election. e story and many in the media are only now reporting on. senator grassley charging the media covered it up in order to get, help get joe biden elected. all of this as we continue our deep dive that we started last year into what really went on. how biden family members -- out of foreign companies into accounts connected to them by w using shell companies as a biden's were selling influence overseas. now to the controversy swirling around democrats eric and his ties to a suspected chinese spy. republicans say he should step down from house intelligence because he is a national security threat. nancy pelosi today defended him, but we have this, a shocking government security loophole that eric's while well unwittingly barreled right through. questions now who else marched through this loophole and how many other politicians are targeted by chinese spies. plus, we have more on the news that six states today joined the texas lawsuit against four battleground states. texas saying they were

the closest we have come to a reaction from him to the hunter biden story is a one sentence statement that was signed by the transition team. we have not seen joe biden since this story broke, he stayed home today. bret? >> bret: all right, peter, thank you. the president-elect is asking civil rights leaders not to promote the defunding of police departments, portions of a zoom call to supporters have been posted by the intercept. >> they have already labeled us as being defund the police. anything we put forward in terms of the organizational structure to change policing, which i promise you will occur, promise you, just think to yourself and give me advice whether we should do that before january 5th. because that is how they beat the living hell out of us across the country, saying that we are talking about defunding the police. we are not. we are talking about holding them accountable. >> bret: biden transition official tells fox news on background the president-elect believes in supporting bold and urgent criminal justice reform while continuing to support law enforcement mission

we are finding it more of how involved hunter biden but also james as well as joe biden it is not beenthful with the american public and it's about time the press ask questions and as i said before this election, this is not going away, this is a big mess and will be a bigger mess if he becomes a biden presidency and that looks the way we are headed. maria: you mentioned the e-mails about the key, i have this e-mail and i want to show it on screen and its hunter biden asking his partners to make extra keys for an office in china, extra keys for joe biden, joe biden in jim biden and also the chairman of cfc and as you see gongwen dong, they all had keys to the same office, is pretty extraordinary actually, you have been working on this investigation for over a year when you first brought to light the issues around burisma and how he was being paid $50000 a month by being on the board of burisma now we find out it was much more than that potentially because of this investigation. how many times did you meet with bill barr, the attorney general to discuss this because bill barr we underst

you know, back in october, saturtheywere asking him to inve hunter biden. e been following the story for a very long time. there has been a blackout in the media. they just refused to really press joe biden on it. what we do know is that there is an investigation going forward and it is not that much of a surprise because the laptop was subpoenaed. they are only going to do that for recreational purposes. and on the laptop were some really disturbing emails. and as a lawyer, you look at it and there was an informality, a fluidity to these business deals that were being discussed. millions of dollars involving hunter biden, his uncle and references to joe biden. there were gifts like a diamond that came from china. all of these things tend to worry you as an attorney, because there is so much of this in play. and it is easy to violate laws including tax laws. the other thing, they have a tax investigation. that ultimately looks at all of these transactions come all of this money and whether you pay taxes on what you received. >> martha: yeah, we have no idea

of these e-mails are 2017 after trump was elected, but the relationship actually started when hunter bidene vice president, joe biden, he stepped off the plane. the chinese saw that clearly he was the favored son, literally, of the vice president and began making deals with him. this was putting the family reputation of the bidens in jeopardy. there was no problem with them doing that in order to make a deal with the chinese. >> yeah. listen, there was no shame. the family was overt in its pursuit of foreign cash on every area where joe biden had foreign policy responsibility. that that's what's so interesting. biden's responsibilities were russia, china, ukraine. those were the main ones he took over in the obama administration. where did hunter biden and his business associates go looking for money? from a russian oligarch, a ukrainian oligarch and chinese businessmen directly tied to the chinese military. this was an operation, a shakedown operation i think a lot of people would call it, and for joe biden to sit up there and say he didn't make any money, man, this isn't right, it's just

the big question is, how much did joe biden know about hunter biden's activities? that hunt hunt was on a plane, air force two with joe biden. hunter biden attended a meeting with joe biden with chinese communist party officials, chinese communist party banks and other businesses. what we don't know whether joe biden was aware, and this is a great term to us, quid pro quo. charles: well, there was one correspondence i remember seeing that inferred the big guy or nickname that the family had for joe biden at the time. are things like that considered hardcore evidence? would that be sort of circumstantial or the point you're making here, we owe it to the american public to drill down and find exactly out what that really meant? >> exactly. the special counsel report cleared president trump of any wrongdoing concerning the russian interference in the u.s. election. this special counsel investigation may very well clear joe biden or it may recommend charges against hunter biden and joe biden if he in fact becomes president when he leaves office but it is important that

legal problems because hunter biden has given the green light. e whole transition team has because strangely, hunter released what he was under investigation by federal authorities, the biden harris transition team and of course, it allowed joe biden with his addendum, his usual go to when trying to shield his family from these allegations and peddling around the world. he said i'm so very proud of my son who is being delicious and recent months, he's like a journalist of the new york post, not smearing anyone, just publishing evidence on hunter biden's laptop that he abandoned at a shopping place in delaware. apparently it is part of the investigation, several that are going on into the bidens family. it is not just hunter biden, it is james biden, joe's brother who seems to be the mastermind of these family schemes. he hasn't had a lot of media attention so far but i think it will change officially with the news just a couple of days ago that he's also under investigation, his dealings with a hospital company. jesse: i believe we will hear more

of hunter biden and the biden incorporated. the american people deserve answers, because big tech and big media were in cahoots with the biden campaign and they swept all of this under the rug and did not want people to know about it. there is a tremendous amount of buyer's remorse. people saying if i knew this, i would never have voted for joe biden, so, yes. answers should be forced and forthcoming. if it takes a special counsel, do it. >> harris: i will move to this now, more heavy hitters are going to georgia ahead of next month's election. vice president pence is set to be there tomorrow and donald trump jr. is set to be there this weekend. both going for the g.o.p. incumbent senators in those all-important runoff races. joe biden stopping there yesterday, i don't know if you caught some of that. he took the shot at those republican senators. watch list and then i will get your reaction. >> georgia certainly was not going to stand by and let donald trump or the state of texas or anyone else come in here and toss out your v

the hunter biden story. e more employees of facebook have just joined joe biden's transition team. eric schmidt reportedly under consideration tonight to join a key task force in the white house. brandon devine has been the very center of the story. she works at "the washington post." big tech silenced her newspaper for reporting actual facts about hunter biden. she joins us tonight. this does seem -- it's not really about "the washington post" or even about hunter biden. it seems like a bigger concern, a more ominous sign. joe biden is rewarding the people who censored the news media in order to get him elected. what do you make of that? >> it's quite nauseating. especially since i'm from "the new york post," which was censored by big tech, our story about hunter biden on octobe october 14th came out two or three weeks before the election, ample time for people to digest it and factored into their choice of presidential candida candidate. and yet, it was obliterated, canceled. facebook decided to throttle th

hunter biden is not affiliated with the biden transition team.e doesn't work for them, as far as we know. he doesn't volunteer his time or services. a lot of journalists looked at this and said wait a minute, why is the biden transition team speaking on behalf of hunter biden, putting out this statement? it's also -- howie: to follow up on that, joe biden had a press conference on friday. none of the reporters he called on -- they asked about the pandemic and other important matters -- asked a question about his son's own statement put out by the transition statement about being under federal criminal investigation. can you imagine a president trump news conference where there was a similar situation involving don junior or ivanka or jared and a question not being asked by any of the journalists. >> we did. fox news can did. peter doocy asked him the question. all he would say is he was proud of his son. but no other outlets felt this was worthy of a question. it's worrisome, right. we're at this moment where the election itself is being conteste

listen here. >> biden said he's never discussed business with hunter, that is false. i have firsthand knowledge about this because i directly dealt with the biden family including joe biden. >> sources tell fox news that will hunter biden is the target of a grand jury investigation, joe biden is not. sources also tell fox news that the investigation was triggered by suspicious activity reports regarding some of hunter biden's overseas financial transactions. the deferment of justice cap this investigation covert during the election. sources tell fox news that the doj is very cautious about making public investigations that could affect the outcome of an election. a notable exception is when james comey came out and talked about hillary clinton's email investigation. biden predicts the investigation will exonerate him. "i am confident that a professional and objective review of these matters will demonstrate that i handled my affairs legally and appropriately with the benefit of professional tax advisors. the cases being investigated by the u.s. attorney in wilmington,

december 10, a few months later, "new york times" headline investigation of hunter biden is likely to hang over biden as he takes office. "washington post," october 16, the headline read "the truth behind the hunter biden nonscandal." now saying "hunter biden tax probe examining chinese builders deals. politico, russian disinformation. dozens of former intel officials say false yet again. december 2nd, politico reeves justice department interested hunter biden covered more than taxes. really interesting turn of events. good for those who covered what was the story along and not russia disinformation. >> reporter: accusing others of disinformation. >> harris: white house secretary kayleigh mcenany adding on a litany of reasons why the white house, president of the united states, felt the hunter biden story was not handled correctly from the beginning. whether it be in the media or elsewhere. we previously got so much rich detail on the vaccine's that are rolling out to hit a couple points. 2.9 million of the vaccines have gone out this week. 2.9 million companion shots because you need

the federal investigation or joe biden's son hunter biden, new information. the u.s. ey's office in delaware is looking into biden's foreign business dealings, especially with china. that investigation has been ongoing, we have learned, since 2018. joe biden's campaign says in a statement that biden is, quote: deeply proud of his son who has fought through difficult challenges including the vicious personal attacks of recent months only to emerge stronger. the u.s. attorney in delaware is trump-appointed david weiss. he has refused to comment on what is, obviously, an ongoing investigation. but sources tell fox news that that investigation was predicated in part but transactions in china and other foreign nations. the investigation is also examining a trove of messages and documents found on hunter biden's laptop that he he left at that famous computer repair shop. that story first reported in a bombshell new post expose was censored, buried by big tech and social media. facebook and twitter both remain silent today about why they censored that report before the presid

i have that e-mail here i want to show that on screen and this is hunter biden asking his partners to make extra keys for an office in china, extra keys for joe biden, jill biden and jim biden, also the chairman of cefc as you see gongwen don g, they all had keys to the same office, it's pretty extraordinarily actually and you had been working on this investigation for over a year, senator when you first brought to light the issues around burisma, and how he's being paid $50,000 a month by being on the board of burisma, and now we found out it's much more than that or potentially because of this investigation. how many times did you meet with bill barr, the attorney general, to discuss this? because bill barr, we understand now, knew about these investigations, obviously, the attorney general running the department of justice, knew that there was a federal criminal investigation into hunter biden's dealings, but he sat on it. he didn't want to let it out during an election. you met with him many times. he was well aware of your investigation. how come he didn't mention it to you? >> w

tom, what's the significance of the fact that there are 4 separate ongoing investigations into hunter biden does that tell you, if anything? tom: what it tells me this ain't going away any time soon. the incoming biden administration will inherit a huge headache to say the least because president elect biden will be on top of a pyramid that investigators that are literally investigating his son, obviously it raises questions and the biden administration has to ensure that the investigators and prosecutors carry out their jobs without any sort of political interference from the top ranks. gillian: tom dupree, thank you very much for taking time on this sunday. appreciate it. leland: this week thousands of trump supporters came out to protest the election in dc and overnight many of them got attacked, what police are saying about the suspects next. i'm still on the road to what's next. and i'm still going for my best. even though i live with a higher risk of stroke due to afib not caused by a heart valve problem. so if there's a better treatment than warfarin, i'm on top of that. eliquis. eli

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look at hunter biden.unter biden goes on national television, on abc news, and said i have not received a single penny from the chinese. well, we now know of course that he got close to $5 million from cefc, a chinese government connected energy company. he was flat-out lying to the national media. what's been the media's response? nothing. they've taken it. they've accepted it. todd: former hunter biden business partner, tony bobulinski made the claims about hunter receiving $5 million from a chinese energy company. this all comes as joe biden prepares to choose his attorney general. new york governor andrew cuomo reportedly on the short list. carley: a gunman is shot dead by police after opening fire at a new york city cathedral. [sounds of gunfire] carley: police returning fire on the suspect after he fired several shots on the cathedral steps, moments after an outdoor christmas concert ended. no one was hurt in the shooting. thtodd: federal agencies are asked to scour networks for compromises after the

hunter biden is indeed under investigation by the doj in delaware.nt is now set to be investigated by his -- senator john kennedy standing by on that. also murdoch ready to way in. what are the facts on the story?

senate report found documents showing that 5 million bucks was funneled to hunter biden. en said. >> well, it is untrue, and you know fbi has been sitting on a laptop since last year, 2019, with more and more and more evidence e-mails, and letters that and documents that connection hunter biden as well as i believe from sources i spoke to joe biden. to possible you know, well we know for hunter, money laundering and other issues, and the connecttion to his father, his father did lie about that, we know that is just the tip of the iceberg. 10% with china, and e-mails that have been discovered on the laptop. that fbi kept from american people, kept that information from american public. did not do their forthright investigation to hunter biden, he was using his name to gain influence in connects in china and ukraine and russia. this is serious, it is unfortunate, the american people are paying the price for this. gregg: compute peter doocy dooca question of joe biden. >> about your son -- >> yes. god police officer yo love you e verse pony, thank you, i promise you my justic

biden, your reaction to the news of the investigation of your son, hunter? >> let's go. n. jump in here, dagen. dagen: i do think a special counsel will be appointed to make sure that this investigation continues under a biden justice department to make sure it's not buried or just eradicated, number one. number two, the nominee for attorney general to run the biden justice department will now get grilled and then some by republican senators in any confirmation hearing. i wonder if that changes who joe biden picks for the top -- for the attorney general job. maybe it is merrick garland. i talked to somebody who used to work in the justice department and said merrick garland of anybody on the short list seems to be the straightest shooter there. i'll point people back to the devin archer, devin archer, hunter biden's long-time friend and business partner was convicted back in 2018 in the southern district of new york of fraud related to essentially stealing money from a native american tribe. that conviction was overturned but it was h reinstated in octor by a judge. so af

hunter biden's ties to china are

so whenever anyone hears hunter biden, they should substitute the word joe biden.he issues, bribery issues, money laundering, conspiracy, foreign agent registration act, extortion, you name it, joe biden's implicated in it. and anyone who tells you otherwise is just playing politics to protect joe biden from accountability from the evidence of criminal conduct that he's been involved in with his family. taking advantage of his government position. you know, we found documents, gregg, before congress released them, we forced this many out of the government. hunter biden flew to china five times while his father was vice president. gregg: right. >> you know, given chinese intelligence operations why on earth would that even be countenanced in any administration is beyond me. and we all know what was going on. this stake he got in bhr, the chinese communist-affiliated entity, it looks like even then he had chinese help in getting the stake. gregg: right, i do want to ask you -- >> investments that could come back to him. gregg: i want to ask you about the durham inves

allies of president trump are saying it may be time for a special counsel to look into hunter biden'sess dealings, concerned a biden administration may not be interested in a criminal investigation. also today a prominent republican called out big tech for suppressing the hunter biden story. >> the giant corporate con dwhrom rates -- conglomerates censoring and suppressing news directly bearing on an election weeks beforehand, the most powerful corporations in the world -- facebook, twitter -- working with the democrat campaign to suppress legitimate reporting on hunter biden who we now know is under federal investigation for criminal wire fraud, tax vegas, other things. >> reporter: democrats have not said much in recent days about the hunter biden probe, some suggest there's nothing to see here. >> we need to turn the page and move on. there are hundreds of millions of people in this country that need to be vaccinated not once, but twice. >> reporter: others just make the case that president biden will want an independent attorney general, but that is one critical postthat has not b

a little bit about hunter biden. st of those charges unverified. >> a whole smear on joe biden comes from the kremlin. >> peddling baseless conspiracy theories about joe biden and his son hunter. >> if you didn't follow if closely you probably don't understand what the hit is. >> rabbit hole of hunter biden which i don't think anybody outside of that world understood last night. >> obviously we are not going with the "new york post" story right now on hunter biden. ainsley: this is sars suspicion act report. told as far as sars is filed by financial institutions if something is out of the ordinary. steve: a red flag. ainsley: something suspicious. exactly. what do you make of the timing of this and why do you think that hunter biden went to the press and said i learned about this and made the big announcement? >> sars were how eliot spitzer's activities were discovered by. something they use see high dollar amounts moving around such that it out to prompt additional scrutiny and review. but we deserve in this country

business and frequent payments, totaling $4.7 million in just one year and during that same time, hunter biden'saw firm sent 20 wire transfers totaling $1.3 million to joe biden's brother's consulting firm in several of the transactions were detailed in this report and flagged for potential criminal financial activity. that was included in this report before the news broke of this investigation. dana? >> dana: hillary vaughn, important information. thank you so much. let's bring in our panel now. karl rove and andy mccarthy. let's start with you on the legal angle and is this just about taxes? >> we don't know, dana. i think we can safely say they are certainly looking at more than just taxes and the reason i say that the news that broke prior to the election was seized in delaware on the basis of the grand jury subpoena. we know that two of hunter biden's former business partners have been convicted in a fraud case in the federal district of new york in which his name came up in the proof but he was not charged and i don't think he was designated as an unindicted coconspirator either, but that