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on that motion to revoke both permits, commissioner fung, no, commissioner hurtado? aye, lazarus, no, commissioner honda? aye. the vote is 2-3 to revoke the permits. under the city charter, four votes are needed to over turn any departmental action like the issuance of these permits. so absent another motion these permits would be upheld by default under law. >> the permits are upheld by default. thank you. >> we have no further business. thank you. >> >> >> hi, i'm lawrence corn field. welcome to building san francisco. we have a special series, stay safe. we're looking at earthquake issues. and today we're going to be talking with a residential building owner about what residential building owners and tenants can and should do before earthquakes and after earthquakes. ♪ ♪ >> we're here at this wonderful spur exhibit on mission street in san francisco and i have with me today my good friend george. thanks for joining me, george. and george has for a long time owned residential property here in san francisco. and we want to talk about apartment buildings and what the
on that motion to revoke both permits, commissioner fung, no, commissioner hurtado? aye, lazarus, no, commissioner honda? aye. the vote is 2-3 to revoke the permits. under the city charter, four votes are needed to over turn any departmental action like the issuance of these permits. so absent another motion these permits would be upheld by default under law. >> the permits are upheld by default. thank you. >> we have no further business. thank you. >> >> >> hi,...
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on that motion, commissioner fung, aye, commissioner hurtado? no. lazarus aye, honda aye. >> thank you, the vote is 4-1, the jurisdiction is denied and no permit is filed. >> we'll move on to item no. 5. appeal no. 13-085 shasha lewis dba "ola's exotic coffee & tea & oak & bbq", appellanttss vs. dept. of public works bureau of street-use & mapping, respondent 2801 leavenworth street. appealing the denial on june 27, 2013, of a mobile food facility permit sale of coffee, tea, and sweetss. application no. 13mff-0082 for hearing today.>> we'll move on to item no. 5. sf 51234 we'll start with the appellant. >> good evening. this appeal is about miss lewis full proprietor who wants to make a living selling coffee and tea. she asked that it be revoked. the order should be reversed for three main reasons. first the fisherman's wharf argument is an attack against this full proprietor. second, miss lewis is in full compliance. finally it was write fully issued. let's start with this fact, as soon as she is able miss lewis held this business. it was the premi
on that motion, commissioner fung, aye, commissioner hurtado? no. lazarus aye, honda aye. >> thank you, the vote is 4-1, the jurisdiction is denied and no permit is filed. >> we'll move on to item no. 5. appeal no. 13-085 shasha lewis dba "ola's exotic coffee & tea & oak & bbq", appellanttss vs. dept. of public works bureau of street-use & mapping, respondent 2801 leavenworth street. appealing the denial on june 27, 2013, of a mobile food facility permit...
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i'm of the same view to commissioner hurtado. i don't need additional documentation. we don't want to prejudice your side because we have requested only the plans. >> you have the plans. the photographs. >> but you did not submit any additional. >> we were told we weren't supposed to and we didn't. >> if you had an opportunity would you do so? >> i don't think so. no. >> all right. we should proceed. >> talk for three minutes? >> yes. >> okay. we are i'm david king. we are aware that this model is completely legal and complies with the building code that it is not sensitive to the needs and the quality of life of the neighbors and the neighborhood. the extension up the fourth floor and out into the yard and back blocks our light not just a little but significantly. it boxed us in. it impinges on the park light open space center of the block. we note that the photographs supplied in the additional material of the builders failed to show any representation of the impact of their proposed structures on our house. they do show quite well how the fourth floor wraps the lin
i'm of the same view to commissioner hurtado. i don't need additional documentation. we don't want to prejudice your side because we have requested only the plans. >> you have the plans. the photographs. >> but you did not submit any additional. >> we were told we weren't supposed to and we didn't. >> if you had an opportunity would you do so? >> i don't think so. no. >> all right. we should proceed. >> talk for three minutes? >> yes. >>...
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on that motion to revoke both permits, commissioner fung, no, commissioner hurtado? aye, lazarus, no, commissioner honda? aye. the vote is 2-3 to revoke the permits. under the city charter, four votes are needed to over turn any departmental action like the issuance of these permits. so absent another motion these permits would be upheld by default under law. >> the permits are upheld by default. thank you. >> we have no further business. thank you. >> >> >> you're watching quick bite, the show that has san francisco. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> we're here at one of the many food centric districts of san francisco, the 18th street corridor which locals have affectionately dubbed the castro. a cross between castro and gastronomic. the bakery, pizza, and dolores park cafe, there is no end in sight for the mouth watering food options here. adding to the culinary delights is the family of business he which includes skylight creamery, skylight and the 18 raisin. >> skylight market has been here since 1940. it's been in the family since 1964. his father and uncle bought the market and ran it
on that motion to revoke both permits, commissioner fung, no, commissioner hurtado? aye, lazarus, no, commissioner honda? aye. the vote is 2-3 to revoke the permits. under the city charter, four votes are needed to over turn any departmental action like the issuance of these permits. so absent another motion these permits would be upheld by default under law. >> the permits are upheld by default. thank you. >> we have no further business. thank you. >> >> >> you're...
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is our president chris hwang and joined by our vice-president lazarus, frank function, honored a hurtado. at the controls is the board as legal assistant pacheco. we are joined tonight by representative who have cases before the board. anthony greek oh is here. chief of department of building inspection. we have department of public works, department of building inspection and bureau of urban forestry. at this time mr.
is our president chris hwang and joined by our vice-president lazarus, frank function, honored a hurtado. at the controls is the board as legal assistant pacheco. we are joined tonight by representative who have cases before the board. anthony greek oh is here. chief of department of building inspection. we have department of public works, department of building inspection and bureau of urban forestry. at this time mr.
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the presiding officer is chris hwang and joined by frank fung and darryl honda and arcelia hurtado and our vice president will be absent today and. i am cynthia goldstein the board director and we are joined by people that have cases in the room and we have scott sanchez and from the planning department and i expect we will be joined by mr. dufty and representing building inspection and if you could go over the guidelines. >> the board requests that you turn off all cell phones and procedures. the rules are as follows. appellant and permit holders and representatives have seven minutes to present their cases and three minutes for rebuttals and parties affiliated with the parties must give comments during this time and parties not affiliated with the parties have three minutes to address the board but no rebuttals. to assist the board members of the public that wish to speak are asked but not required to give a speaker card or business card when you come up to the spoadium. the board welcomes your comments and suggestions. there are customer satisfaction survey forms up on the left side
the presiding officer is chris hwang and joined by frank fung and darryl honda and arcelia hurtado and our vice president will be absent today and. i am cynthia goldstein the board director and we are joined by people that have cases in the room and we have scott sanchez and from the planning department and i expect we will be joined by mr. dufty and representing building inspection and if you could go over the guidelines. >> the board requests that you turn off all cell phones and...
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on that motion commissioner fung. >> i. >> commissioner hurtado. >> aye. >> vice president is absent. commissioner honda. >> aye. >> it's 4-0. it is adopted. >> thank you. next we will call appeal no. 13-058 and ali reza ebrahimi and bryan finoki v. department of building inspection. the subject property is one 1050 valencia street to protest for milton o'brien to build a building for bpa no. 2013/01/17/8234 for previous permit. this is on hearing for today and we will start with the appellant. please come forward. you have seven minutes to present your case. >> i would like to -- >> hang on. you need to speak into the motorcycle phone. >> i was. >> >> microphone. >> i was europe for three months and didn't have a chance to do a package and i will show you a couple of things because it will take seven minutes to read this. this is a 10-pound dumb bell rubber coated. i'm not going to damage this floor because it's carpeted. i wake up 5:30 a.m. in the morning until 11:00 p.m. at night -- not just 10-pounder. there is weight 75 pounds being dropped. when you do lat lifts drop up to 150 p
on that motion commissioner fung. >> i. >> commissioner hurtado. >> aye. >> vice president is absent. commissioner honda. >> aye. >> it's 4-0. it is adopted. >> thank you. next we will call appeal no. 13-058 and ali reza ebrahimi and bryan finoki v. department of building inspection. the subject property is one 1050 valencia street to protest for milton o'brien to build a building for bpa no. 2013/01/17/8234 for previous permit. this is on hearing for...
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is our president chris hwang and joined by our vice-president lazarus, frank function, honored a hurtado. at the controls is the board as legal assistant pacheco. we are joined tonight by representative who have cases before the board. anthony greek oh is here. chief of department of building inspection. we have department of public works, department of building inspection and bureau of urban forestry. at this time mr. pacheco would you please go over the meeting guidelines. >> the board request that you turn off all pagers so you do not disturb the proceedings. please carry conversations in the hallway. appellants, permit holders and department representative each have 7 minutes to present their cases and 4 minutes for rebuttals. people affiliated with these parties must include their comments within the 7-minute period. people not affiliated with the parts -- parties have to 3 minutes to address the board, but no rebuttals. members of the public who wish to speak on an item are asked but not required to submit a speaker card to board staff when you come up to the podium. speaker cards
is our president chris hwang and joined by our vice-president lazarus, frank function, honored a hurtado. at the controls is the board as legal assistant pacheco. we are joined tonight by representative who have cases before the board. anthony greek oh is here. chief of department of building inspection. we have department of public works, department of building inspection and bureau of urban forestry. at this time mr. pacheco would you please go over the meeting guidelines. >> the board...
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. >> we have a motion from commissioner hurtado to continue this matter to november 13 of the public hearing has been held. and this continuance is to allow the permit holder to submit the approved plans to the board and to allow either party to conduct testing. >> and i would add both parties are allowed additional briefing and helpful to me and hopefully to my fellow commissioners. >> one thursday prior. >> one thursday prior. >> simultaneous. >> how many pages? >> how many do you wish? >> not more than 10. >> and that would be exhibits. >> yeah. >> so additional briefing is allowed. one thursday prior is the due date for all parties. it is 10 pages of written arguments and exhibits and including acute cal results. on that motion to continue to november 13. commissioner fung. >> aye. >> president hwang. >> aye. >> vice president is absent. commissioner honda. >> aye. >> the vote is 4-0. this matter is continued to november 13. thank you. >> okay. thank you. so next i will call item 5a, b, c, d. those are four appeals dealing with the property at 1050 valencia street and filed by th
. >> we have a motion from commissioner hurtado to continue this matter to november 13 of the public hearing has been held. and this continuance is to allow the permit holder to submit the approved plans to the board and to allow either party to conduct testing. >> and i would add both parties are allowed additional briefing and helpful to me and hopefully to my fellow commissioners. >> one thursday prior. >> one thursday prior. >> simultaneous. >> how many...
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. >> we have a motion from commissioner hurtado to grand this jurisdiction request. on that motion, commissioner fung, aye, president haung, >>, aye, lazarus, honda, the motion is 5-0. these grant ors have 5 days to appeal. >> item no. 5. item 5: appeal no. 13-061 nancy luo dba "clement service center", appellanttss vs. dept. of public health, respondent 311 12th avenue. appealing the revocation on may 13, 2013, of massage establishment permit. director's case no. msg-13-23. for hearing today.>> item no. 5. item 5: appeal no. 13-061 nancy luo dba "clement service center", appellanttss vs. dept. of public health, respondent 311 12th avenue. appealing the revocation on may 13, 2013, of massage establishment permit. director's case no. msg-13-23. for hearing >> item no. 5. item 5: appeal no. 13-061 nancy luo dba "clement service center", appellanttss vs. dept. of public health, respondent 311 12th avenue. appealing the revocation on may 13, 2013, of massage establishment permit. director's case no. msg-13-23. for hearing today. >> we will start with the appellants. you
. >> we have a motion from commissioner hurtado to grand this jurisdiction request. on that motion, commissioner fung, aye, president haung, >>, aye, lazarus, honda, the motion is 5-0. these grant ors have 5 days to appeal. >> item no. 5. item 5: appeal no. 13-061 nancy luo dba "clement service center", appellanttss vs. dept. of public health, respondent 311 12th avenue. appealing the revocation on may 13, 2013, of massage establishment permit. director's case no....
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. >> i would echo everything commissioner hurtado just said. >> the same here. i think that the suggestion of a suspension didn't work in the past, i don't think it's going to work now. the multiple times that inspector waush has been out there, i think she understand what needs to be done and continues not to do it. i see a pattern that is more than likely is not going to change. >> no comment. >> so i would move to deny the appeal on the basis that the revocation was more than appropriate under the circumstances. >> we have a motion then from commissioner hurtado to deny the appeal and uphold this revocation on the basis that said revocation is more than appropriate under the circumstances. on that motion to uphold and revoke, to uphold the revocation, commissioner fung, aye, president haung, aye, vice-president lazarus? aye. honda? aye. the vote is 5-0. the revocation ups upheld on that basis. next item. item 6: appeal no. 13-077 trinity properties, appellanttss vs. dept. of public works bureau of urban forestry, respondent 1190 mission street. appealing the
. >> i would echo everything commissioner hurtado just said. >> the same here. i think that the suggestion of a suspension didn't work in the past, i don't think it's going to work now. the multiple times that inspector waush has been out there, i think she understand what needs to be done and continues not to do it. i see a pattern that is more than likely is not going to change. >> no comment. >> so i would move to deny the appeal on the basis that the revocation was...
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. >> on the motion to adopt the august 21st, minutes, commissioner hurtado, lazarus, honda? i. those minutes are adopted. >> we are taking the calendar slightly out of order. the first item is item no. 6. item 6:appeal no. 13-112 lorae lauritch & courtney utt, appellanttss vs. entertainment commission, respondent 620 jones street. protesting the issuance on august 20, 2013, to peter glikshtern, amendment to limited live performance permit amendments to existing permit to allow live entertainment tuesdays through saturdays until 10pm indoors only; and to allow live entertainment indoors and outdoors on sundays from 11am to 4pm for 90-day trial periodd. application no. ec-1172llp for hearing todaitem is item no. 6. sf 61234 >> we will start with the appellants to present their case. >> thank you, everybody. jones encourages the negligent behavior that impacts our health and well being. extending the negative hours and also i impends our behavior. for the permit process no locals have received permit information. for example i tie at 27 street and we received those notices in the
. >> on the motion to adopt the august 21st, minutes, commissioner hurtado, lazarus, honda? i. those minutes are adopted. >> we are taking the calendar slightly out of order. the first item is item no. 6. item 6:appeal no. 13-112 lorae lauritch & courtney utt, appellanttss vs. entertainment commission, respondent 620 jones street. protesting the issuance on august 20, 2013, to peter glikshtern, amendment to limited live performance permit amendments to existing permit to allow...
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on that motion to continue commissioner fung, lazarus, honda, hurtado. the motion is to continue. >> no further business. we are adjourned. >> >> so good morning and welcome to all of you i'm joseph i'm the director of prime care for homeless services and urban higher or speaks louder you still can't hear me. okay. i've joseph with urban house thank you for coming distinguished gifts and staff and community partners and many, many other wlor here today. i can't believe we're here and it's so great to share this exist day with you and this exciting new chapter in homeless services and a principle care for our most vulnerable co- citizens of san francisco. i'm very happy to have you all here. i'll make a quick program note there is a little reversible in the order just bear with us if it looks like the order is out of order. i wanted to - color to the mike - okay. i want to acknowledge what a shift this is what this day represents for us as a city as a health department and a clinic especially a clinic two clinics that came together to become one. two clin
on that motion to continue commissioner fung, lazarus, honda, hurtado. the motion is to continue. >> no further business. we are adjourned. >> >> so good morning and welcome to all of you i'm joseph i'm the director of prime care for homeless services and urban higher or speaks louder you still can't hear me. okay. i've joseph with urban house thank you for coming distinguished gifts and staff and community partners and many, many other wlor here today. i can't believe we're...
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on that motion, president huang, hurtado, lapis zarus, >> become to the meeting of the board of appeals. item no. 7 has moved. we are going to hear item no. 8. >> item 8: appeal no. 13-036 chine hui, appellanttss vs. dept. of building inspection, respondent planning dept. approval 865 el camino del mar. protesting the issuance on march 14, 2013, to jennifer king & timothy fredel, permit to alter a building demolition of existing solarium on roof; interior renovation; replace existing windows as needed; repair and replace exterior shingles as necessaryy. application no. 2012/02/06/3645s. public hearing held on may 22, 2013. for further consideration today. note: matter continued to allow time for the planning dept. to re-calculate the height of the subject building; additional briefing is allowed.1234 with the president's consent we can give 3 minutes to each side starting with the appellant. is the appellant in the room? i saw her here earlier. >> good evening commissioners. i would like to start with this process. we started with this data after all of these months at the appellant's i
on that motion, president huang, hurtado, lapis zarus, >> become to the meeting of the board of appeals. item no. 7 has moved. we are going to hear item no. 8. >> item 8: appeal no. 13-036 chine hui, appellanttss vs. dept. of building inspection, respondent planning dept. approval 865 el camino del mar. protesting the issuance on march 14, 2013, to jennifer king & timothy fredel, permit to alter a building demolition of existing solarium on roof; interior renovation; replace...
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. >> on that motion to uphold with revised plans, commissioner fung, aye, commissioner hurtado, aye, lazarus, aye, honda? aye. the vote is 5-0. the permit is upheld with revised plans. >> what were the dates of those plans? >> july 22nd. we are calling item no. 9. item 9: appeal no. 13-057 david & niloufer king, appellanttss vs. dept. of building inspection, respondent planning dept. approval 4162 & 4164 26th street. protesting the issuance on may 08, 2013, to tony szeto & annie kong, permit to alter a building 3rd story vertical addition and onestory horizontal addition, interior remodel, structural upgrade, plumbing and electrical workk. application no. 2012/06/19/2903s. for hearing today.sf 91234 this is on for hearing today and we'll hear from the appellant. >> good evening, this concerns a remodel of victorian house in millie valley. the three identical once -- ones in a row. the remodel is for three. my wife and i have lived in the east one for 33 years. the middle was purchased by the applicant for 3 years. they live in hillsborough and bought it as an investment property. the
. >> on that motion to uphold with revised plans, commissioner fung, aye, commissioner hurtado, aye, lazarus, aye, honda? aye. the vote is 5-0. the permit is upheld with revised plans. >> what were the dates of those plans? >> july 22nd. we are calling item no. 9. item 9: appeal no. 13-057 david & niloufer king, appellanttss vs. dept. of building inspection, respondent planning dept. approval 4162 & 4164 26th street. protesting the issuance on may 08, 2013, to tony...
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i'm of the similar mind as commissioner hurtado. the problem i have is if we can discuss this and have an opportunity to have the person from the department of health come and give us a story, give us a narrative of what happened from that perspective. it would be very useful for me. it would give me a chronology and lend credibility or undermined credibility to the appellants position and the narrative we were provided today. i would like to take at face value what statements are presented to us here under oath and i would like us to however understand because statements are made from people who are not here. i would like to hear them say it themselves. so if others here in client, i don't know if it's something we can do, would that be acceptable. because i feel like that's a missing piece from the record before us to allow continue this to allow the representative from the department of health. >> i just want to understand that the board is issuing a continuance if it provides additional clarity. >> that's where i'm going with th
i'm of the similar mind as commissioner hurtado. the problem i have is if we can discuss this and have an opportunity to have the person from the department of health come and give us a story, give us a narrative of what happened from that perspective. it would be very useful for me. it would give me a chronology and lend credibility or undermined credibility to the appellants position and the narrative we were provided today. i would like to take at face value what statements are presented to...
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submittal of the approved plans due thursday prior to september 11th, president hwang, commissioner hurtado, lazarus, honda, aye. the vote is 5-0. this matter is continued to september 11th. >> before the next matter, i need a 5-minute break. please. >> welcome back to the august 21, 2013, meeting of the board of appeals. we are calling item 10 a and 10 b. item 10: items 10aa and 10bb shall be heard together: 10aa appeal no. 13-081 jonathan plotzker, appellanttss vs. dept. of building inspection, respondent 3166 - 16th street. protesting the issuance on june 14, 2013, to jack spade store, alteration permit interior non-structural demolition of dropped ceiling, lighting, existing non-compliant restroom in vacant retail store; accessibility requirements will be addressed in subsequent tenant improvements per sfbc ab-0177. application no. 2013/06/07/8955 for hearing today.sf 101234 item 10b:appeal no. 13-082 jonathan plotzker, appellanttss vs. dept. of building inspection, respondent 3166 - 16th street. protesting the issuance on june 26, 2013, to jack spade store, alteration permit interior n
submittal of the approved plans due thursday prior to september 11th, president hwang, commissioner hurtado, lazarus, honda, aye. the vote is 5-0. this matter is continued to september 11th. >> before the next matter, i need a 5-minute break. please. >> welcome back to the august 21, 2013, meeting of the board of appeals. we are calling item 10 a and 10 b. item 10: items 10aa and 10bb shall be heard together: 10aa appeal no. 13-081 jonathan plotzker, appellanttss vs. dept. of...
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the presiding officer is chris hwang and joined by frank fung and darryl honda and arcelia hurtado and our vice president will be absent
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on that motion to continue commissioner fung, lazarus, honda, hurtado. the motion is to continue. >> no further business. we are adjourned. >> >> >> good evening. >> i would like to call the meeting of tuesday, september tenth, 2013 to order. >> roll call, please? >> thank you. >> miss fewer? >> here. >> mr. haney? >> here. >> miss maufas? >> here. >> miss mendoza. >> dr. murase? >> here. >> miss wynns. >> here. >> miss norton. >> here. >> mace way. >> and mr. logan. >> join me in the pledge of allegiance. >> we are going to start this meeting differently this evening and i am going to start by calling on the superintendent. >> thank you, president norton. we start this evening's meeting with very heavy hearts, as we have suffered a tragic loss to our district of our long time registered parliament, wilson and we would like to read a few words and dedicate this meeting. >> she was employed by the school district for the board of education for the past 45 years. and she passed away yesterday september 9, 2013. she was born on august 15, 1919 in wisconsin.
on that motion to continue commissioner fung, lazarus, honda, hurtado. the motion is to continue. >> no further business. we are adjourned. >> >> >> good evening. >> i would like to call the meeting of tuesday, september tenth, 2013 to order. >> roll call, please? >> thank you. >> miss fewer? >> here. >> mr. haney? >> here. >> miss maufas? >> here. >> miss mendoza. >> dr. murase? >> here. >>...
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---los incas fueron los primeros en pegar con este gol de paolo hurtado...luego una mano en el area... no muy clara y cesar ivan gonzalez apunta y dispara el 2 a 1 de penalty ---aumenta la cuenta romulo otero y la vinotinto se ponia 3 a 1 ---y en la agonia, carlos romulo otero y la vinotinto se ponia 3 a 1 ---y en la agonia, carlos zambrano desconto para los peruanos... 3 a 2 marcador final. peru se queda en casita... ya no le alcanza ===wipe=== ----en la paz bolivia ecuador repartieron honores ----bombazo, zapatazo... golazo "jaime arrascaita" pone el primero para los bolivianos --- pero la dicha no duro mucho... ----minutos mas tarde la mano inocente permite el penalty y felipe caicedo cobra por ventanilla y ecuador se lleva el cobra por ventanilla y ecuador se lleva el empate de la paz que lo mantiene vivo aun... en paraguay... la pulguita si pico, incomodo y estobo... el primero messi de penalty ariel nuÑez empato... pero todo fue espejismo... argentina aplastante ---sergio aguero al 32 ----angel dimaria al 53 ---- y como el que es caballero repite... me
---los incas fueron los primeros en pegar con este gol de paolo hurtado...luego una mano en el area... no muy clara y cesar ivan gonzalez apunta y dispara el 2 a 1 de penalty ---aumenta la cuenta romulo otero y la vinotinto se ponia 3 a 1 ---y en la agonia, carlos romulo otero y la vinotinto se ponia 3 a 1 ---y en la agonia, carlos zambrano desconto para los peruanos... 3 a 2 marcador final. peru se queda en casita... ya no le alcanza ===wipe=== ----en la paz bolivia ecuador repartieron honores...
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on that motion to continue commissioner fung, lazarus, honda, hurtado. the motion is to continue. >> no further business. we are adjourned. >> >>1xzgwh?(ç(;<;8;<;4?0?p?t?÷=÷=a
on that motion to continue commissioner fung, lazarus, honda, hurtado. the motion is to continue. >> no further business. we are adjourned. >> >>1xzgwh?(ç(;
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the presiding officer is chris hwang and joined by frank fung and darryl honda and arcelia hurtado and our vice president will be absent today and. i am cynthia goldstein the board director and we are joined by people that have cases in the room and we have scott sanchez and from the planning
the presiding officer is chris hwang and joined by frank fung and darryl honda and arcelia hurtado and our vice president will be absent today and. i am cynthia goldstein the board director and we are joined by people that have cases in the room and we have scott sanchez and from the planning