but interestingly, although hutchinson was appointed by the n.r.a.s school task force, he breaks with the n.r.a. and says there could be expansion for commercial sales. nonregistered dealers at gun shows. maybe even on the internet. but he doesn't go so far to say a private sale if you are selling it, you know, member of a family to another member or a friend to a friend that that should be subject to a background check. even within gun right activist there is support, even from asa hutchinson for expanded background check, but not as much as the president wants. >> eric: it's interesting and we look forward to the program. thank you for joining us. >> you bet. thank you, eric. >> eric: of course. chris wallace interview with the senator white house advisor dan pfeiffer and the national school shield task force director asa hutchinson on this controversial issue. it's op "fox news sunday" on the fox news channel later today. at 2:00 p.m. and 6:00 p.m. tonight. >> jamie: we'll check that out. also, did you know that april is autism awareness month? a

that is what asa hutchinson just said. a statement in from a spokesman for the nra saying asa hutchinson was not speaking for the nra. he meant expanding it to include more people into the national instant check system. asa hutchinson made it clear those were his personal views not speaking for the nra. just want to update you on that. let's discuss what is going on a little more. ari fleischer is joining us the former bush press secretary. also donna brazile the democratic strategist. both cnn contributors. what do you make of this whole issue of expanding background checks? ari, first to you. >> well, it all depends on the whens and the wheres and the hows. if you are talking about a grandfather's right to give a rifle or gun to his grandson waunt to do a background check on the family. i don't think anybody is going to go for that. if you're talking about gun show loopholes that would allow for a broader check i think people are trying to figure out a way to be for that and it looks pretty good to do that. what he said

hutchinson for being here today and for your presentation. this is exciting. it gives a whole in you theme to mobility for individuals that have physical i impairments. my question is what kind of outreach v you done to the physical -- >> we work with independent living group. the church in berkeley has been in incredibly helpful to us and not introduced us to people he felt we should be talking to but he's been an advocate for us as well. >> thank you. >> is there anymore members? do we open it up for public comment? we are open for public comment. please step up to the mic. >> should i leave materials here? >> yes. then we may have a question from the public. >> public comment? step to the mic. >> ask the city what you want it to be. we give you good disability. we need a car share that can drive away and you can do it today. city you can drive a car. we are going to have driving access for all. city, we thank you. carshare for all the city hall. yes, we are going to be making it have it all. city. thanks for being there. you will be there to carshare. and b

joining me, congressman hutchinson. thank you for coming on the program. we have been trying to get anyone from the nra on for the last three months. you're the first person to do this for us, i want to first thank you for that. >> well, you're welcome, and i'm not with the nra nor do i represent the nra, nor am i spokesman for the nra. i am in here as the director of the taskforce that just looked at the school safety issues, and lawrence, i am delighted to be here, but that introductory piece really misrepresented the background that led up to this taskforce and our findings. for example, philadelphia uses magnetometers for every high school student to go through, but they don't used armed school resource officers. we're not trying to change that. that's their prerogative. we are delighted with the security measures that they have in place. we want to help them there. you go out to los angeles, they choose a different model with armed school resource officers, about 300 of those in their unified school district. that's their prerogative there. and so our

former congressman hutchinson said he needed to read the quotes himself. didn't believe lapierre could say anything as insane as what i was reading him. today we e-mailed the congressman a link to the quote so he could read that fund-raising letter by wayne lapierre himself. that's next. >>> and hillary clinton and joe biden shared the stage last night, which of course sparked more speculation about the 2016 presidential campaign. and bill o'reilly continues to insist he is not in a feud with rush limbaugh, even though he admits he never talks to rush. the o'reilly, limbaugh feud and some of the other people bill o'reilly really hates are in tonight's "rewrite." aces. but after one day's use, dishcloths can redeposit millions of germs. so ditch your dishcloth and switch to a fresh sheet of new bounty duratowel. look! a fresh sheet of bounty duratowel leaves this surface cleaner than a germy dishcloth, as this black light reveals. it's durable, cloth-like and it's 3 times cleaner. so ditch your dishcloth and switch to new bounty duratowel. the durable, clot

former congressman hutchinson said he needed to read the quotes himself. didn't believe lapierre could say anything as insane as what i was reading him. today we e-mailed the congressman a link to the quote so he could read that fund-raising letter by wayne lapierre himself. that's next. >>> and hillary clinton and joe biden shared the stage last night, which of course sparked more speculation about the 2016 presidential campaign. and bill o'reilly continues to insist he is not in a feud with rush limbaugh, even though he admits he never talks to rush. the o'reilly, limbaugh feud and some of the other people bill o'reilly really hates are in tonight's "rewrite." e hundred bucks for your deductible. the truth? at allstate, you could pay zero. allstate gives you a hundred dollars off your deductible the day you sign up. then another hundred off every year you don't have an accident. let the good hands reward your safe driving with a deductible that goes away. ♪ deductible rewards. one more way you're in good hands with allstate. ♪ ten hut! you up for the cha

former congressman, asa hutchinson, welcome to the newshour. >> thank you, judy. good to be with you. >> woodruff: we heard what you said today at the news conference. why are more guns the answer to preventing violence in schools? >> well, whenever there's a tragic incident in a school, the first person who is called and the shooting stops whenever a police officer or an armed guard arrives. that's when the shooting and the death stops. so the quicker the response, the more lives you save and the best response can be when there's a school resource officer in the school or some other armed personnel. that's the reason that that's one of the solutions. there's many more parts to school safety, but that is an important part of it. >> woodruff: but if someone is determined to come in to a school and harm people, why wouldn't they be able to overpower one or two individuals who are trained? >> well, if someone tried to come in to school, first of all hopefully the access controls that we recommend, the perimeter security, the surveillance cameras, all of these will co

we'll sit down with asa hutchinson, director of the task force.t is a fox news sunday exclusive. >>> plus, the president takes his push for gun control on the road. >> president barack obama: there is no reason we can't do this unless politics is getting in the way. >> chris: the white house tries to shore up fading support in congress for new gun restrictions. and make a deal on immigration reform. we'll discuss both with the president's senior advisor, dan pfeiffer. >>> and the obama budget two months late. we'll ask our sunday panel about the president's offer to cut entitlements. is it the start of a grand bargain? and our power player of the week, running the paper of bradley, woodward and bernstein in the age of the internet. all, right now, on fox news sunday. ♪ >> chris: and hello, again, from fox news in washington. after more than 100 days of intense lobbying on both sides, the senate is about to take up legislation to impose tougher gun controls. but, in the months since the newtown massacre, support for those measures has faded on capi

asa hutchinson is a former congressman heading up the nra's national school shield task force.ur schools. and while its stance on background checks appears to be softening it comes with a giant asterisk. >> i'm open to expanding background checks. you can do it within a way that does not infringe upon an individual and make it hard for an individual to transfer to -- to a friend or a neighbor, somebody that here in montana and have a casual sale we don't want to infringe upon those rights, either. >> so hutchinson's loophole there for so-called casual gun sales amounts to a rejection of democratic senator chuck schumer's bill that would require universal background checks for all gun sales. >> a really frightening scene on a busy brazilian highway. a passenger bus plunging 30 feet from a viaduct in rio de janeiro plunging onto its roof. at least seven people killed, six others injured. rush hour traffic at a standstill yesterday as the victims were removed from that bus. a witness told a brazilian tv station the driver had a dispute with a passenger right before the crash. >>>

let me say this about asa hutchinson. he's a good man.ommendations and i know we will focus on the arming personnel in school, but four of them were pretty decent about an online tool to enhance security working with law enforcement. but i got to tell you, in my opinion, just like connecticut's legislature didn't go down the right path, arming people in schools, i mean, i had teachers that i wouldn't trust with a 50 magazine stapler for crying out loud, let alone a firearm. i think you're going to increase accidental shootings and a whole bunch of things that you don't have hot. we our childre schools, i mean, i had teachers that i wouldn't trust with a 50 magazine stapler for crying out loud, let alone a firearm. i think you're going to increase accidental shootings and a whole bunch of things that you don't have going on in schools today, and i think that that's not so hot. >> piers, this is where the fearmongering is so ridiculous. my point is this. we trust these teachers with our children. we trust these teachers around our children

the presentation is by rick hutchinson, ceo of city careshare. 7, information item support with family for disabilities services provided for families with individuals with disabilities. education manager and felix lopez, education coordinator. >> at 2:20 we'll break. the council will take a 10 minute break. 8. information item. everybody plays as san francisco recreation and parks. the adaptive recreation program to include supports for persons with disabilities. lucas and vickie inclusion coordinator. public comment is welcome. >> 9. recreation item capital improvement status and accessibility updates. presentation by paulina. project manager and physical access a d.a. coordinator from the san francisco recreation and parks department. public comment is welcome. >> 10. report from the physical access committee. >> 11 report from the disaster preparedness committee. >> 12, s fm t a multi-motile. >> 13. public comment. >> items not on today's agenda. each speaker is limited to 3 minutes. >> 14, information item correspondence. >> 15, agenda item. 16, adjourned. >> excuse me. roll an wo

former congressman asa hutchinson joins us from little rock arkansas.elcome. >> good to be with you, chris. >> chris: critics say, congressman. that you are just responding to the last attack. they note that before newtown, a gunman killed two people in a shooting at a -- rather shopping mall in oregon and before that james holmes killed 12 people and wounded 58 in a movie theater in colorado. so they say all you are doing is shifting the target. president clinton first initiated cops in schools or armed gods in school effective program. only a third of the schools. our recommendations are much broader than simply an armed guard in every school it is also about new resources for schools. online assessment to best practices. the report which i hope everybody reads is 252 pages. very comprehensive with the armed guards just being one part of that let me emphasize, it's not about arming teachers. teachers should teach and others should protect is really about providing armed officers first and if that's not available have armed school staff trained and sel

we'll hear from asa hutchinson. here is some of what we are expecting to hear from the nra today. first a call for training and preparation for armed security guards that would be available to schools across the country. number two, changes to ordinances and gun permits that would allow for weapons to be carried on school properties. three, additional and specific legislative proposals for our nation's leaders straight from the multi-billion dollar gun lobby itself. and the timing of today's big unveiling is important to know. it comes just a week before congress will reconvene and likely take up the senate's gun control bill. and the very same week that connecticut legislators are expected to vote on their response to the unfathomable crime in their own back yard. that vote expected on a sweeping and bipartisan bill that would overhaul the state's gun laws. >> gun control groups say if it goes through will be the toughest gun law in the country. >> significant gun law in connecticut but depressing -- >> pa th. >> pathetic. >> it's truly depressing. >> let's difficult in with our

and its members one of its two leaders included among others former republican congressman a son hutchinson who was also a high ranking member of the department of homeland security during the bush administration. the conclusions of such a reputable nonpartizan organization should end the debate on whether or not the so-called war on terror detainee policies broke international and domestic law important questions remain in the united states ever recover its worldwide reputation after our leaders so blatantly broke our laws and is redemption even possible if we don't prosecute those leaders and yes that means the former president and vice president for their crimes for more on this i'm joined now by my path antonio attorney and host of ring of fire radio mike welcome back. i'm great you're a lawyer what's your assessment of the report's findings on how torture violated the constitution international law it said the obvious time it said that the rule of law is still should matter in the united states but it doesn't seem to look you would take a look at title eighteen of the u.s. code torture

ure talked to asa hutchinson, heading up the task force, looking at school security and the school shield study. he is advocating armed guards, the study's armed guards at every school. there is growing centiment for that type of thing to happen. what did you ask him about? >> well, we talked about that. yeah, there is. in fact, the obama administration does include a schooling security component in its legislation. he says it is not nearly enough to really keep kids safe. the problem and the question is, whether or not that's going to solve a lot of other problems because if you harden schools, that means that these nuts, these tormented people will go to a shopping center or a movie theater as they have in the past. he basically said, you can't solve all the problems at once. newtown was a school shooting. we need to make schools safe. we need to do it incrementally. >> he wants to protect the students. but oppons will say, the last thing we need is more gun in will scuse. do they have a valid point? >> yes, to a certain degree. the teachers unions don't like the idea, even if it's not

asa hutchinson, the director of the nra's school's task force. >> which has no affiliation with the nrasence of an armed security or personnel in a school adds a layer of security and diminishes response time. >> stephanie: um, as i've said before, i don't necessarily think this is a bad idea it is just that they won't look at any other part of the solution. >> it is always more guns. >> stephanie: yes. the solution to every gun problem. >> i think bill press was talking about it the other day. something in new york where new york city policemen who were well-trained in firearms, i don't remember the exact situation was but they ended up wounding nine bystanders. these are guys who have had a lot of training. >> stephanie: you just activated that right wing caller. remember that guy? hello, i'm president for cops for cop killer bullets. i don't understand why -- 29 minutes after the hour. right back on "the stephanie miller show." support the drug war you must be high. cenk uygur: i think the number one thing viewers like about the young turks is that we're honest. i think the audience

task force chairman asa hutchinson says he doesn't understand why anyone would object. >> "in reference to newtown, what was the first thing the school did? they got armed officers there to protect the children." >> catherine: the recommendations include a "model training program" to train school personnel to use firarms to deal with crisis situations. changes in state laws where necessary -- so that teachers or other staff members would be allowed to carry firearms in school. increased coordination between law enforcement and schools on security matters and a pilot program on "threat assessment and mental health." the report has the backing of at least one newtown parent. >> "i think politics needs to be sort of set aside here. and-hope it doesn't, you know, lead to name- calling >> catherine: no sooner had he spoken than the american federation of teachers was doing just that: calling the proposal a cruel hoax designed to assist gun manufacturers to flood the nation with more firearms. the national education association slammed the report even before its release, saying: "guns have no

here's their head asa hutchinson telling us all about it. >> we presented a model training program forool resource officers that is an enhancement of what they currently undertake and are required. the states need to consider changing the laws so that it allows the firearm to be carried by school personnel when they go through this model training program. cenk: just to add a fun little extra salt and pepper, a little spice of corruption into this, hutchinson also getting paid by a private security company which would make a ton of money from his new 225 page report recommending armed guards at all those schools. isn't that convenient? what do they have in that plan? it would involve federal coordination and funding. i thought they hate big gough. i guess they don't mind it when it puts guns in our schools. on line self assessment tools for schools on how to bring more guns in and a threat assessment team that includes mental health professionals. i think they need mental health professionals if they do this plan and an interagency agreement between law enforcement and a school to coord

hutchinson is a former congressman who's heading up the nra's national school shield task force. his new position on background checks appears to be softening, it comes with one significant caveat. >> i'm open to expanding background checks. you can do it within a way that does not infringe upon an individual and make it hard for an individual to transfer to -- to a friend or a neighbor, somebody that if you're in montana and have a casual sale we don't want to infringe upon those rights, either. >> hutchinson's loophole for so-called casual gun sales amounts to a rejection of democratic senator chuck schumer's bill that would require universal background checks for all gun sales. >>> near perfection in texas. the rangers' yu darvish retired the first 26 houston astros he faced last night. not a bad way to kick off second -- his second season in the lone star state. 170 million dollars that's what he's got a japanese star has 14 strikeouts. overpowering needing just one more out for a perfect game. then up came little-known marwin gonzalez a career .234 hitter. >> perfect game, g

former congressman hutchinson is head of the task force and joins us from little rock, arkansas. congressman, welcome. >> good to be with us. >>chris: critics say you are just responding to the last attack. they note that before newtown a gunman killed two people in a shooting, rather, a shopping mall in oregon. before that, james holmes killed 12 people and under worked 58 people in a movie theater in colorado. they say all you are doing is shifting the target. >> president clinton first initiated cops in schools or armed guards in schools. it has been effective program. it is not receiving only but a third of the schools. our recommendations are broader than simply an armed guard in every school. it is also about new resources for schools to add to safety from online assessment tools to best practices. the report which i hope everyone reads is 252 pages. it is very comprehensive with the armed guards just one part. it is not about arming teachers. teachers should teach. others should protect. it is really about providing armed officers first and, second, if that is not availabl

my name is rick hutchinson. a local bay area non-profit. i have a few slides and hopefully a video. what do i need to do? >> it works out. your powerpoint presentation is minimized on the bottom. you just ask for the camera to -- there you go. and your video is up, right? are you going to start the video first? >> no. i'm going to do an overview first. >> great. great. i'm going to start with that and if we can get those slides up there. okay. great. city careshare -- carshare. >> thank you. i'm not usually that technologically impaired here. so there we go. city carshare, we have been around since 2001. we are as i said a local non-profit. we provide over 400 vehicles at 200 locations throughout the bay area to allow people to carshare. we have the greenest fleet available and that's very important to car sharing because car sharing is defining to benefit local communities. with the car sharing you effectively become a member, you get access to any vehicle and you may use it whenever you like. city carshare provides many benefits. some of the key ones are that car sharing can save

congressman hutchinson headed the study and this morning unveiled a 225-page report. the n.r.a. said the national school shield program was announced in response to the sandy hook elementary school shooting and includes atrium dangerous to protect children from shooters. >> the presence of an armed security in a school is a layer that is just as important as the mental health component. if you have a mental health component without having other security, it is inadequate. >> recommendations come a week before the united states not debates the gun control legislation. >> a man who is accused driving a car in a walmart will appear in court before not for those charges. he is in court for another case. at the same time, one of the hero whose subdued him in walmart attack, spoke with abc7 news reporter who joins us. >> the charges are stacking up. hamid zaid is, indeed, facing even more charges. this time they are charges of completely unrelated to what happened at the walmart on sunday. the 33-year-old, zaid, today, facing charges of using oh -- oh case and giving false information

one of their spokes people ace shah hutchinson said -- asa hutchinson. >> whether it's mental concerns that we can take better or providing more safety for our children in schools very little has been done. i'm disappointed the president has not focused the debate on the right issue for america. >> here's the bottom line the president brought back 12 different family members victims tragedy air force one. still on the way back. >> now the reason he did that, they are going to head to capitol hill tomorrow to try to use some compelling testimony to force lawmakers' hands. that's going to be an interesting part of this debate, shep. >> shepard: ed henry at the white house tonight. thanks very much. get ready for heated debate over immigration in the coming days and weeks. lawmakers are putting the final touches on a major bill as they call it it one that would change the way our country secures its borders and deals with the millions of people who are living in this country illegally. they are hoping to have it ready sometime this week. mike emanuel is live in our d.c. newsroom tonight.

. >> the nra today, asa hutchinson, echoed lapierre's argument that the only way to stop gun violence is with more guns. he announced an nra funded plan for, quote, school safety. here's asa hutchinson. >> we also have prepared for the first time that i'm aware of a model training program for selected and designated armed school personnel. now, this is probably the one item that catches everybody's attention. >> and it should. in the "washington post"/abc poll shows there is considerable support for armed guards in schools. this is one of those interesting polls. more typical of politics. 50% support armed guards in school. 48% oppose. mr. cummings, what do you think about that? i mean, sometimes -- i just drove by a local public el meptry school in d.c. this morning. there was a squad car out. i said, that's okay. that's a good thing. i understand why that squad car is parked there. is that a good thing or not, the police are there during school time? >> i think putting more guns, putting guns in schools i don't think is necessarily a good idea. on the other hand, if local jurisdicti

background checks and asa hutchinson the n.r.a., you could consider background checks. and the media loves out-ride are stories like the congress womb from new york state who has a $10,000 insurance bond plan a total of eight co-sponsors going nowhere and 100% of talk raid diradio, this where the agenda is, on a vast data base on guns and clouds any minimal gun control. >> judy, we know you're in favor of more gun control. i want to read you this from campbell brown, the former cnn and anchor. and she wrote, the president's campaign against gun violence has produced a stale debate marked by lots of speeches with little achieved. a more creative chief executive would have used this to widen attention to the increasingly graphic violence so pervasive in television shows, movies and video games. what do you think about that position? anybody else talked about that? >> well, i think people are starting to talk about it. we've talked about it on this show. joe klein talked about it in a slap at the administration this week when he mentioned the president's implementtation pr

hutchinson called it totally inadequate at protecting schools. is this something you'd like to see? >> i mean, obviously this kind of ban is extremely critical because it takes out of the hands, as the chief has indicated, of people who are out to do harm to our children and other members of our society. like law enforcement officials, the d.a. who was killed and others. and he was the second. so the reality is that as the chief has indicated, we're not going to stop law-abiding citizens from, you know, expertly and efficiently and safety and legally dispatching their desire to be a hunter. the reality is for those people, mentally ill on the one hand, and those who are criminally inclined, those people will have a more severe test to meet. if we say we're committed to our children and concerned about their future, it makes sense to have these bans in place. the only reason it doesn't make sense is for those who have been captivated by the extraordinary blitzkrieg that the nra has done on politicians and as the chief has indicated, not only would they not get a profile in courage, t

i know asa hutchinson, we served together in the united states congress, he's a balanced former member of congress. but he made it very clear that he was not speaking for the nra. if there is an opening, i certainly would like to walk through it. i think universal background checks has to be a simple process for americans who likewise are committed to the second amendment, and that's all of us, and likewise committed to the safety and security of this nation. first of all, if you talk to law enforcement, thomas, over the last year and before, they've been outgunned by so many people buying guns. after the tragedy of the incident in connecticut, there was a run on guns that law enforcement couldn't even purchase enough to protect the community. so we realize that there has to be some focus on bringing this gun thing, in essence, under control. i certainly think universal access to -- universal gun checks is important, the avoidance of straw purchases, and i think holding people responsible for storing their guns. i have hr-65 that holds adults responsible for having a real secure system

hutchinson, who is planning to run for governor in arkansas made some concessions on universal background checks. >> i'm open to expanding background checks if you can do it in a way that does not infringe upon an individual and make it hard for an individual to transfer to a friend or a neighbor, somebody that if you are in montana and have a casual sale, we don't want to infringe upon those rights, either. >> the gun lobby responded saying he was not speaking for the nra. we are going to debut the first ever "morning joe" poll at the top of the hour. it will show compelling new numbers when it comes to the debate over guns here in america. >>> clean up continues in arkansas where thousands of barrels of crude oil spilled from a pipeline into nearby neighborhoods. we were the first to show this yesterday morning. arkansas's attorney general opened an investigation into the case. the department of transportation issued an order presenting the company from restarting the pegasus pipeline until they are satisfied with repairs. nearly two dozen families have been evacuated as they work to re

obviously asa hutchinson was in the bush administration so this was a tough thing for him to go through. but we came to the unanimous opinion as reflected in that report. we did talk to some. david rizzo was the general counsel of the c.i.a., he gave an interview. and we had some others in the military that we talked to. >> brown: but when you say in the report that the nation's highest officials bear some responsibility for allowing and contributing to the spread of torture, what does that mean? what exactly are you calling for? >> well, in a couple of instances, number one, the decision to suspend the application of the geneva conventions in afghanistan was a critical decision that opened the door for all kinds of abuses because there was nothing put in place thereafter that would tell soldiers, for example, what they could or could not do. as a consequence, people became unusually creative and crossed the line from lawful to unlawful. the decision to give special permission to the c.i.a. to use enhanced interrogation techniques was a flawed decision. it was based upon a methodology t

former congressman ais a hutchinson announced eight conclusions with the focus on training armed officerseachers in schools. >> prepared for the first time that i'm aware of, a model training program for selected and designated armed school personnel. the states need to consider changing the law so that it allows the firearm to be carried by school personnel when they go through this model training program. >> hutchinson says the firearms used by school staff could range from side arms to shotguns, to ar-15s. the nra responded to the recommendation saying they need to time to digest the report. they writings we are certain the contribution he is and his team have made will go a long way to making american schools safer. patrick murphy. i can't -- the nra at this point you have to see as a bad actor. they just want an armed camp in every school, every church, everywhere in america to turn into one giant armed camp. you come from a state that has the second highest membership in the nra, pennsylvania. could you ever see pennsylvania taking the step that connecticut took? can congress just n

>> asa hutchinson coming in. >> the guy who -- >> going to talk about how to protect kids at schoolsnd background checks to be sure kids can be protected. and newt gingrich. always exciting. he'll be in "the situation room" as well. you know what i'm going to ask based on what i just heard from your report? >> what? >> does he think hillary clinton should run for president? >> a good question. >> i am always curious to see what newt has to say. >> that sounds good. >>> a musician, producer, investor and cultural icon. now jay-z is adding sports agent to his resume. is that for real? our sports lead is next. humans. we are beautifully imperfect creatures living in an imperfect world. that's why liberty mutual insurance has your back, offering exclusive products like optional better car replacement, where if your car is totaled, we give you the money to buy one a model year newer. call... and ask an insurance expert about all our benefits today, like our 24/7 support and service, because at liberty mutual insurance, we believe our customers do their best out there in the world, so we d

meanwhile former congressman hutchinson unveiled a safety plan founded by the national rifle association. the 205 page report recommends a staff be on campus carrying a gun. the father of a sandy hook shooting victim spoke in support of the plan known as the national shield program. >>> investigators are working to determine exactly when caltrans realized the bolts used on the bay bridge were brittle and are asking when they cracked before they were installed, during tightening or after. ktvu's consumer editor tom vacar reports. >> reporter: it just had to know that further stressing them would neither help nor work. >> the steel rod into something called -- >> reporter: two engineered that work for exponent failure analysis say these massive defective bolts hundreds of them even those that didn't snap are all nonetheless suspect. >> i would say if any one of these were to snap that that would be cause for concern. >> yes that's off the charts. a 30% failure rate is just unacceptable. >> reporter: yet no final fix has been determined is there a fix that would make the bridge work as desi

. >> charles, former congressman a said hutchinson with the nra school sheila task force program raises an interesting question. he said the stricter laws make us feel good, pat us on the back, but is there any evidence that they make us safer? >> that is the problem. you can make all the constitutional arguments you want. the devastating evidence is the empirical evidence. we have the kind of band that we want now. a study commissioned by the department showed that it had essentially no affect. the reason is obvious. we have 300 million firearms in the possession of americans today. you could stop the importation, stop the sale, anything you want. that reservoir will be around for 100 years. the other irony is, the rate of homicide has been cut in half since 1980. we do not have an epidemic of crime. we are having a rise in these in same, extreme mass shootings, generally by psychotic people. we are all talking about acquisition of guns at a time when homicides are going down. the problem is the crazy people who get the guns. >> and how fast they can get them. >> the tucson shooter, ev