with costly hutchinson's testimony. if cassidy hutchinson who had never -- and cannot afford a lawyer. had been offered this free lawyer from what she called -- it cassidy hutchinson's the mid to remain under the control of that they are paid by donald trump. she would have -- of the testimony. is now the basis of the committees criminal referral with a former president united states. for prosecution by the dust apartment. cassidy hutchinson's testimony reveals another point that standing alone would've been enough to get that lawyer disbarred in most restrictions in this country. he refused to tell her who was paying him to represent her. here is how castillo johnson described her very first words with a criminal defense lawyer of that trump world provided. page 21. on monday, february 7th 2022. i received a call in the afternoon from stephen passantino. i had never worked with stephen. we don't really overlap. and i never really heard of him. all i know is that he -- he had called to let me know that he was my attorne

cassidy hutchinson did not want a lawyer from trump world. page 32, i knew the moment that i went back and had to get a trump world attorney, it's -- i don't like to categorize the world, the trump world in this way, but in a lot of scenarios that i have been privy to, once you are looped in, especially financially with them, there sort of is no turning back. but cassidy hutchinson found herself completely unable to pay for a lawyer. she asked family members for financial help. her mother was surprised that cassidy hutchinson wasn't happy about using a free lawyer from trump world. cassidy hutchinson explained the problem to her mother. page 32. i was like, no, i am completely indebted to these people and i was like, and they will ruin my life, mom. if i do anything that they don't want me to do. now, to page 33 and i read this passage of deeply personal testimony only to make clear the level of desperation cassidy hutchinson reached that made turning to a free lawyer from trump world, made her do that. quote, i don't have a relationship with

hutchinson replying, quote, yes, maybe a dozen times. emphasizing, quote, he as in mark meadows would put more logs on the fireplace to keep it burning throughout the day. and that between two and four times he had had mr. perry in his office right before discussing the vice president's role on january 6th. that is damning testimony for mark meadows. burning documents in his office fireplace during the transition period? this new revelation will certainly get the attention of the department of justice. more on that in a moment. hutchinson also telling the 1/6 committee she remembers meadows, quote, having a meeting with the outer oval saying let's keep some meetings close hold. close hold, meaning let's keep those meetings off the books so no one knows. hutchinson testified there were certain things that had potentially been left off the oval office diary. hutchinson also testifying that her first lawyer who was paid by a trump pack told her, quote, the committee doesn't recall what you can and can't know. she elaborated, quote, in my mi

and so, we know that they have at least interviewed cassidy hutchinson. so, they have a lot of what exactly went on behind the scenes including what her accounts are with her attorney. they already know a lot of it. >> so, just to stay on this for one second, according to her testimony, passantino told her you can say that you don't remember stuff, even if you remember a lot of it. i'm not a lawyer, but that doesn't sound ethical to me. >> at a minimum, it sounds unethical. i mean, it could be a crime, it depends, again, summon of the facts. we know, jake, though, a lot of people are who were working with the former president. people who just wanted to stay out of this, they misremembered or didn't remember things. and we see that throughout. we've seen this through multiple trump investigations. it's a feature. >> and, sara, the pressure campaign with cassidy hutchinson to get her to not fully comply with the probe. >> yep. >> by this attorney, paid for by a trump super pac, and she's not the only one, is this something that the justice department is loo

so for example, the animosity with thomas hutchinson, they clearly both despise thomas hutchinson. i mean, each of them, you know, think he's the greatest threat to american liberty. and that's before the stamp act. and there's no reason to accuse thomas hutchinson of this or to have such violent hatred him. but john commits that to paper and doesn't. so john seems as if he's the more intemperate of the two my guess is they probably i mean john says we saw eye to eye on this kind of thing so my is that they were probably of about the same temper but that samuel who is can be a charmer theon of restraint shows it less and i would say that in all i think we can agree john adams was a fairly impulsive and impetuous player. one thing that distinguishes adams as a revolution, mary, is that at various junctures he will actually make an extraordinary case for slowing things down or tamping things down. this is a moment to be patient. this is not a moment to resist openly. so he's very canny in that respect. and i would i would say probably more even tempered than was john. to to one is si

we talked about cassidy hutchinson. reading the transcripts, are they pointing you towards giving you greater clarity what you look for when the final report comes in and are there things in the transcripts that were potential veins or lines of reporting? scenes you want to mine, that you have story ideas and your reporting is going to lead you towards in the days to come? >> yeah, absolutely. one thing i've been very interested in from the start is the false electors scheme. we saw some evidence come out from the transcripts yesterday through the questioning, because through subpoenas, the investigators had obtained text messages and emails and they would read some of these to the noncooperative witnesses pleading the fifth. one of them was the transcript of mike roman, a trump campaign field director. he received messages where he's directing his deputy to go to the capitol and deliver materials about the false elector scheme directly to the capitol where they were trying to get the electors accepted instead of the ac

you saw the public testimony of cassidy hutchinson. but the closed-door interview with cassidy hutchinson, the former aide to trump chief of staff mark meadows, was public testimony was some of the most memorable from the committees live hearings, particularly, and there was a secondhand anecdote she shared about just how desperate the ex president was to go to the capitol himself during the insurrection. >> the president said something to the effect of, i am the effing president, take me up to the capitol now. to which bobby responded, sir, we have to go back to the west wing. the president reached up towards the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel. mr. engel grabbed his arm and said, sir, you need to take your hand off the steering wheel. we are going back to the west wing, we are not going to the capitol. mr. trump then used his free hand to lunge toward bobby angle and -- recounted the story to me, he had motioned towards his clavicle's. >> all right. that was to remind you, because you know that part. but according

hutchinson tried to get clarity, what's the line that i draw here.er lawyer's response, quote, look, the goal with you is to get you in and out. keep your answers short, sweet and simple. the less the committee thinks you know, the better. it's going to be painless and then you're going to be taken care of, unquote. cassidy hutchinson says, quote, he specifically told me i don't want you to purger yourself, but i don't recall isn't perjury, unquote. keep in mind, all this time, he is helping to set her up on job interviews. he says, quote, we're going to get you a good job in trump world. you don't need to apply at other places, we want to keep you in the family. so the free legal representation and job opportunities are what she's getting, and what she's giving is assistance in a cover-up. in her first very interview with the committee in february, she's asked multiple times about that incident in the suv, which she says at the time she never heard anything about. but then during a break she tells her attorney, stephen, i'm effed. he responds, don't

hutchinson getting thaadvice. we know she was the one to put that story in the public view during the special hearing. >> barbara, i'm not a lawyer but i know that saying i don't recall when you do recall, that's perjury. >> absolutely. the reason i don't recall can be problematic for prosecutors is, it can be difficult to know what someone did and did not recall. if they say they did not recall, then in some instances, you just sort of have to live with that answer, if you can't otherwise prove it. that does not give you license to say i don't recall when you do recall. that's what was going on here. he says he is talking out of both sides of his mouth when he says, i'm not asking you to perjure yourself. witnesses are compelled to answer questions truthfully. lying about what you do and do not recall is perjury. >> let me read from the transcript. she says he told her, quote, if you don't want 100% recall something, even if you don't recall a date or somebody who may or may not have been in the room, that's an e

we remember hutchinson's test about lunging forward in the car on january 6th. told her then attorney about that, he told her, no, no, no, no, no. we don't want to go there. we don't want to talk about that. does that qualify as obstruction of justice for him to tell her, no, don't talk about that? >> it does and also qualifies when she said perjury. told her repeatedly, just say that you're better go-to, i don't recall, even if you do recall the committee won't know it. now, those are top charges in general to bring, tough charges to bring. there's corroborating testimony, told her mother at the time, job offers and such a high-profile case and the kind of thing that really enrages the department of justice. whatever happens to passantino, look at pages 50 to 60 of the cassidy hutchinson deposition, the second one it is pure mob lawyer stuff, and it's really harrowing. >> hmm. olivia, what's your reaction to the descriptions of how cassidy hutchinson said she felt that it felt like trump was right over her shoulder, because these trump allied attorneys, she exp

cassidy hutchinson said i did note take this as sarcasm. peter navarro has been indicted for not complying with the city's subpoenas. but as these transcripts trickle out here, as we're expecting throughout the week, there are a lot of crucial new details in here that we might not have seen before. >> yeah. and it's just remarkable that a top administration official like peter navarro would be giving credence to qanon and these ridiculous conspiracy theories. we're also learning more about what former white house press secretary judge dear told the committee. what do you know? >> judd dear told the committee he really heard this all gossip. but still, it was the week after the 2020 election. he heard from them that trump in fact was considering conceding, and even inviting the bidens to the white house. so judd deer said he was looped in on the conversations because he would have been the one arranging the press access for any visit from the bidens. deer told the committee this. he said in the week after the election, there was gossip aroun

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despite knowing this, hutchinson testified anyway.tement to nbc news, passantino denies any wrongdoing but says he is taking a leave of absence from his law firm. joining us now former u.s. attorney and msnbc contributor barbara mcquade. barbara, can you explain to us just the magnitude of how wrong trump's legal team was when it came to cassidy hutchinson? i mean, this is a young woman who really has her whole life in front of her and to be, you know, presented with this sort of internal dilemma as she described it is really sort of heartbreaking to hear. >> jay, it's not just unethical but possibly illegal to do what she claims her lawyers were doing. now, of course, weaver's got just her testimony, so i don't want to suggest that this allegation has been proved beyond a reasonable doubt, but her allegations are very serious. lawyers certainly can coach witnesses about how to frame things but they can't coach them to lie. that is a violation of the law. it is potentially witness tampering, which is an obstruction of justice crime pu

and that's cassidy hutchinson and sarah matthews.ean, cassidy hutchinson had to fire a lawyer and hire someone. she had no money. she was afraid of what trump world would do to her. sarah matthews quit on january 6th because she knew what was going on was wrong and she couldn't live with it. that is what really came out to me in these transcripts, these two women. >> there was fear there. there still may be. one of the things we read in the cassidy hutchinson transcript also was conversations she testified to with kevin mccarthy that the former president, donald trump would acknowledge mccarthy said that he had lost at times but then waver on it. what is important here? >> this tees up such a crucial decision that the justice department now has to make which is how hard do they push to get testimony from kevin mccarthy? the january 6 committee subpoenaed mccarthy. he brushed them off and they did nothing. they referred him to the house ethics committee. who cares. nothing is going to happen there. doj has grand jury subpoenas. if kev

cassidy hutchinson, yes ma'am.iss cheney, and you know what the documents were hutchinson replies, i don' know liz cheney - how frequently, did you see hi do this. let's hutchinson, i mean, it's hard - i want to say once a week, o twice -- its -- i can recall specific time that i did maybe it does, and maybe jus over a dozen, but this is over a period december through mi january. white house chief of staff mar meadows, was regularly throwin white house documents into the fireplace, in the period directly before and afte january 6th. now, we don't know what was in those documents that mar meadows was burning. but cassidy hutchinson does go on to describe several instances, in which meadow burned documents right after meeting with pennsylvani republican congressman, scot perry. trump ally who reportedl sought a pardon from trump i his role in trying to overturn the election quote, miss hutchinson, quote. i know between two and fou times, meadows had had mr. perry in his office, right before burning the documents miss

hutchinson said the attorney, paid for by allies of former president trump, never explicitly told her to lie. "i don't want you to perjure yourself, but i don't recall isn't perjury, they don't know what you can and can't recall." >> we are concerned that she's efforts may have been a strategy to prevent the committee from finding the truth. >> reporter: hutchinson testified that she felt she had no other option but to retain the trump-aligned lawyer because she couldn't afford another attorney. "i'm f'd, i am completely indebted to these people, they will ruin my life, mom, if i do anything they don't want me to do." the hutchinson transcripts come as the public awaits the release of the january 6 committee's full report. >> expected sometime this afternoon. >> and what do you expect the american people to learn from this report? >> i think they'll see that it's very comprehensive. >> reporter: it's expected to offer more details about trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election and could offer new insights around this moment revealed by hutchinson where trump was allegedly told he

they clearly both despise thomas hutchinson. each of him think that he is the greatest threat to american liberty and that is before the act. there is a reason to have such violent hatred of him. he seems as if he has the more contemporary of the two. my guess is -- john says we saw eye toy eye on this kind of thing. all bubbly up about the same temperature. the restraint shows that less. in all things, fairly impulsive and impetuous player, one thing that distinguishes adams as a revolutionary set at various junctures he will actually make an extraordinary case for slowing things down or tamping things down. this is not a moment to resist openly. i would say probably more even-tempered than with john. >> two questions. one is simply, john and samuel were cousins. >> second. >> could you say a little bit about the background, whatever. in terms of their predecessors on what each of them did. and, secondly, such a seminal figure. has he been much less addressed? how would you explain that. everybody knows the name. why would hist

hutchinson, of course, went on to relay the story of what trump said that day. >> the president saidomething to the effect of i'm the effing president, take me up to the capitol now. >> he tried to get to the capitol, he failed, and e had lied. all this from the new transcript we got, hutchinson also recounts how the chief of staff admitted trump knew he lost. we've had lawyers for trump come on this show this very week and say the opposite. but it matters what people said at the time and what people said under oath, especially in comparison to what i'm calling those stone wallers who didn't. the testimony, again, new to us, it's been in writing, is that trump knew he lost as he led his followers into danger and crime. quote, yeah, trump knows it's pretty much done said the chief of staff, according to her -- his, i should say, top aide,hut. so what do we have here on what is still a busy news week with a lot coming down and a lot coming at us? i think we have pieces of evidence falling into place. i think we have the messiness of that, the committee's hearings, they were organized,

and hutchinson expanded upon that. she said that these meetings were essentially kept off the books. they were out of the oval office diary. essentially, you know, there would be no record of these meetings. so alisyn, between this detail and also hutchinson observing meadows burning documents a lot of questions, a lot more tonight now that this transcript is out, about what exactly meadows was trying to hide and alisyn, really who he might be trying to protect. >> those are excellent questions. also, how about all this qanon stuff that has come out? i mean, how much qanon crazy talk there was in the white house around the president. >> reporter: it seems like there was a lot because hutchinson, she talks about these multiple conversations within the white house where all these people seem to endorse these qanon conspiracy theories. she said that mark meadows for one brought it up. also congresswoman marjorie taylor greene made mention of it. and then she said she had this exchange with the white house trade adviser pe

, when it comes to that hutchinson was still had one foot in trump world, eve though she and her bossmar meadows and had a falling out. and she was certainly aware of what the likely repercussion would be, if she worked to cit everything that she knew and indeed, as this story make clear, what they've also recognized, taking a look at the cassidy hutchinson depositions that were recently released, this was a work in progress she had one attorney, a gu stephan passantino, who is fro trump world. she felt very, very at pains t be forthcoming to th committee. and it was really only over period of time as she develops both a increasing discomfort with her own legal team, and a increasing comfort with cheney that she switched lawyers an then, really began to tell i all. and that was in a particular deposition it immediately compelled chene to talk to chairman bennie thompson, and then turn to the other members and, say we have to have this young woman on in a stand-alone hearing righ away >> and because of security concerns for cassidy hutchinson, they didn't tell other members what was ha

cassidy hutchinson, yes, ma'am miss cheney, and do you know what the documents were?utchinson replies i don't know. and miss cheney, how frequently did you see him do this? miss hutchinson, i mean, it's hard, i want to say once a week or twice, i can recall specific times that i did maybe a dozen, just maybe over a dozen, trump white house chief of staff mark meadows was regularly throwing white house documents into the fireplace, in the period directly before and after january 6th. now, we don't know what was in those documents that mark meadows was burning. but cassie hutchinson does go to describe several incidents in which meadows burned documents after meeting with pennsylvania congressman scott perry, trump ally who apparently sought a pardon from trump in his role for trying to overturn the election quote, miss hutchinson, quote, i know between two and four times meadows had mr. perry in his office right before burning the documents? miss cheney, do you know what mr. perry was talking to him about? election issues. miss cheney, anything more specific than? and

so there's a lot of pressure on cassidy hutchinson. this is why there was a tell from liz cheney at the end of that hearing that there was a lot more to be said and they are going to be looking at other people. >> so witness tampering is trying to improperly influence or alter the testimony of a witness in a civil or criminal case. hutchinson said she only went with this lawyer, the first lawyer because trump folks were paying for him and she knew she needed a lawyer and couldn't afford one on her own. if this lawyer actually dangled job offers and told her she would be taken care of, that's grounds for disbarment and potential criminal prosecution for witness tampering. lawyers like this give attorneys a bad name, and judges and bar associations take these allegations very seriously. lawyers are supposed to be officers of the court and trying to get a lawyer to -- trying to get a witness to lie in court is the opposite of the oath that ke take as members of the bar. so now we have this witness, cassidy hutchinson, as a fact witness to

this cassidy hutchinson example, that's one of them.ey give is they say they believe donald trump was trying to contact some witnesses in the investigation. that's something the justice department knows at least about one witness already. they also mentioned that secret service agents and other employees decided to hire private lawyers, that they would presumably pay for themselves or have another entity pay for when they had the ability to just use the agency's own lawyers for free to represent them in the house investigations. so that is all in that summary yesterday. we're expecting a final report, more fulsome report tomorrow. but this is something that is clearly of concern to the house, and may as well become something very much of concern to the justice department investigation too. >> right. very soon. kaitlan polantz, thank you so much. fascinating reporting. perspective now from cnn legal analyst carrie cordero, former counsel t counsel. and homeland security adviser to vice president pence. lay this out for people. part of th

this cassidy hutchinson example, that is one of them.ey give is that they say that they believe donald. trump was trying to contact some witnesses in the investigation, that is something the dust is department knows about one witness at least already. they also mentioned that the secret service agents and other employees decided to hire private lawyers. they would presumably pay for themselves, or have another entity pay for them, when they had the ability to just use the agency's own lawyers for free. to represent them in the house investigation, so that is all in the summer yesterday. we are expecting a final report, a more fulsome report tomorrow, but this is something that is clearly of concern to the house. and may as well become something very much of concern to the justice department investigation. >> right. very soon. katelyn, thank you, fascinating reporting and perspective now from -- cnn legal analyst -- cordero for security, olivia troye, director of the republican accountability project and former homeland security adviser t

we have all the transcripts from cassidy hutchinson.more details how she told the committee how she saw chief of staff mark meadows burning documents around a dozen times, which she says amounted to once or twice a week between december 2020 and january 2021. she says at least twice she saw meadows burning documents after he had meetings with republican congressman scott perry, who, in fact, was subpoenaed by the committee but never complied. in addition, hutchinson also telling the committee how she says discussions about qanon conspiracies really permeated the white house. she said in particular, mark meadows brought up the conspiracy theorys. congresswoman margorie taylor greene made mention of that far right wing movement. and then cassidy hutchinson said she had this exchange with white house trade adviser peter navaro. she said, at one point, i had sarcastically said, is this from your omicroqanon friends, peter? he said, have you looked into it yet, cass? i think they point out a lot of good ideas. make sure that you read this. w

the panel put out france scripts of former white house aide cassidy hutchinson's testimony. this as we're expecting the committee to release a full report of its findings today. cnn's kristen holmes joins us now. what can you tell us? >> reporter: this is, as you said, cassidy hutchinson in her own words describing what she says was a pressure campaign from trump world including her trump paid attorney, stefan passantino, to really downplay her testimony, even being encouraged that if she was loyal she would be taken care of. now, i do want to tell you specifically because she talks about when she had this breaking point with her attorney. she says that she was cooperating with the committee and then he told her not to and said this, contempt is a small risk, but running to the right is better for you. now, a couple things to note here. these are two interviews from september after we saw that live interview and after she had moved on from passantino. this, again, is why she said she had that breaking point and as you'll remember on monday the january 6th committee alleged t

this makes cassidy hutchinson's testimony that much more monumental, right?t we know what was happening behind the scenes. this is a 20-something who didn't even have a lawyer secured when the press release dropped that she was being subpoenaed. she didn't have the hundreds of thousands of dollars to get somebody lined up, and so therefore she felt this pressure to go along initially in her first testimonies when she had passatino representing her. it's that much more monumental she resisted this, but it does make you wonder for those who pleaded the fifth, you know, over a hundred times. we're talking about folks like john eastman, roger stone pleading the fifth. think about what was happening around them, the forces that were supporting them, basically shutting down and not sharing what they know. you're right that we may never know, but this makes that testimony that much more important. >> natasha, i'll stick with you. we were expecting the report yesterday, but one can understand zelenskyy was in washington. maybe they didn't want to step on the presiden

despite knowing this, hutchinson testified anyway. he says he is taking a leave of absence from his law firm. reverend al, you know, trump has behaved like he has been in the mob for quite some time. you look at these exchanges and you look at cassidy hutchinson, you know, she was terrified. she drove up to try to get support from her father who was a trumper. he wouldn't give her any support. she had a qanon aunt and uncle who said they would try to help her out any way she could. she was isolated. she was being threatened. she testified anyway. it was pretty extraordinary, and i think one of the key moments of this entire episode, this entire committee report. >> it is amazing. it's similar to reading a mob novel or watching a mob movie. but what is so frightening and what is so compelling to those of us that looked at the report last night when it came out is what you said a few moments ago. we cannot allow this to be like the mueller report. we're talking about not the mob. we're talking about the government of the united states a

what happened with cassidy hutchinson.r people she spoke to about this. she went back to the committee herself because she felt she had done wrong by not revealing certain information. so if i were the prosecutor, i'd be examining all of these different people that she spoke to. i'd be looking at other witnesses that appeared before the committee who apparently were treated the same way by the lawyers that were paid for by the trump organization. and try and put together a case. it is not going to be as easy as it was in prosecuting roger stone. >> really important point. it also brings up the point you raised about the intersection of the politics of this. the idea that she was able to get or went on to get a different attorney. she felt she had trump looking over her shoulder at one point and the idea of believing who am i really working for? am i thinking about this from my own perspective? is it about trying to protect somebody else? i wonder how this plays. facts like that knowing it is the credibility assessment betw

hutchinson recalled passantino telling her to quote, focus on protecting the president following theelease of the report, trump took to social media platform to respond. deflecting blame for the attac by the way on to the house speaker nancy pelosi and doubling down on his electio lies but thursday's report is not the last we're gonna hear from the committee. more of those transcripts abou 300 and total are expected t be released in the coming days the committee only has until january 3rd to release all o their material to the public that is when republicans tak over the house and the panel will be dissolved. let's bring in the democrati congressman-elect daniel goldman of new york. come january, he's going t represent new york's tenth district but he also served as th majority counsel for the house impeachment inquiry into donal trump. he was also an assistant u.s attorney for the souther district of new york congressman-elect, good to see you, thanks for being with u this morning >> great to be with you, americas miss. >> there are a bunch of things in both the transcripts and th r

according to the registrar incumbent school board member mike hutchinson actually one district 4 but vote tallies weren't counted correctly. i spoke with hutchins sent to get his take on this mix-up. >> the alameda county registrar of voters admits initial results in a tight race used to certify nick resnick as the oakland school board member for district 4 were not correct. that incumbent mike hutchinson, the candidate who first showed finishing in 3rd place in the ranked choice voting system is a real victor. i really want to stress this is a correction of an error. >> and so i think a really good sign that our system is working and it only impacted a very small number of votes. he says an organization called fair vote didn't audit, which is how this all came to light. >> according to the registrar's office, the algorithm miss some ballots which didn't have a first choice selected just a second or 3rd. so they weren't counted when they instead should have been counted by reverting to the second choice to act as a first choice. now that the real winners revealed the trouble is the o

and hutchinson continued saying i did not take it as sarcasm. ultimately, peter navarro, he was indicted, sara, for not complying with the subpoena from the committee, but a lot of details coming out now in more of these transcripts that we're seeing from cassidy hutchinson and others. >> can i follow up with you, jessica, on the transcripts also revealing that the trump white house aides heard rumors that then president trump considered conceding after the election and inviting the bidens to the white house, which obviously did not actually happen. >> yeah, those were the rumors. this was coming from testimony from deputy white house press secretary judd deere. he told the committee in his testimony he heard some gossip from people at the white house. those people in the white house said that trump in fact was considering conceding and inviting the bidens to the white house. and judd deere says he was looped in because he would be the one as a deputy press secretary who would been arranging press access, if there was any sort of visit from the

hutchinson now we're starting to see that disconnect between her and her trump-backed lawyer.out in the transcripts. the two are bickering, you're seeing her loyalties are shifting at a certain point. he's stopping her. she's trying to talk over here. that's one key part. the other thing i noticed is something she mentioned about meadows telling her and several other white house aides not to essentially put down all the meetings that were happening in the oval office, to keep a close hold. she situation she's not sure exactly what that meant but likely meant they weren't showing up until the oval office diary. this goes to the same thing about the documents. all of this is a record for the reason. it's the president of the united states. now, the last part of all of these testimonies that i thought was most interesting was, one, hutchinson talking about the rise of qanon conspiracies that went up to the president. she had interaction with peter navarro one of the white house aides and she said at one point i sarcastically said is this from your qanon friends, peter, because he

illuminating details from gasty hutchinson she was reluctant to give and encouraged not to give a lots and finally in the transcript the team is reading through now, june 20th, 2022 eight days before her public testimony, she was spilling the details, wolf. >> i know you and your team are going through the just released transcripts. we'll have more later "the situation room." thank you very, very much. >>> coming up, the challenges and the on going danger now in my hometown buffalo, new york after that epic snowstorm. i'll talk with the top local l off official about the most urgent concerns and fears of flooding, flooding in the days ahead. u trn it? (einstein) i got what i paid for. not so smart. (cecily) nanah, you're still a genius. b, there is a smarter way to o sav. (einststein) oh?! (cecily) switch t to verizon! for a limid time, get welcome unlimiteted for just $25/line. (e(einstein) $25?! (cecily) and it's guaranteed for 3 years! (einstein) brilliant! (cecily) well, you would know. (einstein) i'm switching! (cecily) i think the bike's probably faster. (vo) now is the best tim

that's why we made sure to highlight it. >> reporter: hutchinson also told the panel she struggled to find a lawyer and was directed to a trump related attorney named stefan passantino who outlined his strategy. the less you remember, the better. and later he told her, we just want to focus on protecting the president. and before she publicly testified about this altercation between the former president and his security detail in his limousine. >> reporter: >> the president said something to effect of, i'm the effing president. take me up to the capitol now. >> reporter: -- she said passantino discouraged her and suggested she say she didn't recall. >> for a lawyer to tell a client to say something that the client knows is false, it's not just unusual. it's criminal. >> reporter: passantino said he represented hutchinson honorably and ethically, but he also announced that he's taking a leave of absence from his firm because the situation from the committee had become, quote, a distraction. major. >> nikole killion, thank you. >>> ukraine's president zelenskyy says he has returned to h

four's ella sogomonian talk to the real winner, mike hutchinson, who consulted with a lawyer and has to go to court on his own dime to right this wrong. but he insists that the revelation is proof at the system in place is in fact, working. >> the alameda county registrar of voters admits initial results in a tight race used to certify nick resnick as the oakland school board member for district 4 were not correct. that incumbent mike hutchinson, the candidate who first showed finishing in 3rd place in the ranked choice voting system is a real victor. i really want to stress this is a correction of an error. >> and so i think a really good sign that our system is working and it only impacted a very small number of votes. he says an organization called fair vote didn't audit, which is how this all came to light. >> according to the registrar's office, the algorithm miss some ballots, which didn't have a ftrst choice selected just a second or 3rd. so they weren't counted when they instead should have been counted by reverting to the second choice to act as a first choice. now that the

one of the key witnesses, cassidy hutchinson telling about discussions of qanon taken seriously in thehite house and burning of documents. >>> we start with the full-scale meltdown under way at southwest airlines. the company is now confirming that more than 60% of today's flights are already canceled and the chaos is likely to continue into 2023. thousands upon thousands of passengers left stranded and struggling to figure out how they are going to get where they're going. the chief executive of the company is apologizing as federal scrutiny is growing. the commerce committee said they were going to investigate this. and pete buttigieg is vowing to hold southwest accountable. >> i understand you just spoke directly to the ceo of southwest airlines. did you get any explanation at all for this meltdown of epic proportions. >> melt down is the right word. you look at the number of passengers stranded and how hard it is to get somebody on the phone to address it. from what i can tell, southwest is unable to locate where their own crews are, let alone passengers, let alone baggage. >> nick

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evidence that cassidy hutchinson among others was pressured after she was subpoenaed. >> the evidence of obstruction of justice from start to finish is really alarming, and that's the sort of thing that prosecutors take very seriously. you know, you have to wonder how doj is digesting this. i would suspect they are very happy to have all of the evidence, and the transcripts, but they will not accept the committee's league conclusions as their own they'll read through the evidence and draw their own inferences and read their own conclusions where the evidence is strong, but these incidents of trying to disrupt witness testimony, other incidents where there's an effort, perhaps, to not let evidence come to the table for investigators, these are very compelling reasons that doj would want to get in the mix here you'll remember early on, nicolle, the trump folks often dismissed obstructionism, right? heard that a lot during the mueller investigation aera. i think doj will find this important. >> joyce, is it a weird dynamic to be talking about what doj will do with this? i mean is there a

hutchinson with her sole interest as she communicated to me, unquote.there any doubt i'm going to the former ethics czar? norm, norm, norm. >> i'm acquainted with stephen. there's a family of former white house ethics chiefs. we all keep in touch. and i think he tried when he was in the trump administration, he tried mightily, and that's not easy when donald trump is your client to keep the white house on its ethical course. it went off course and now it saddens me to say so, laura, because i know him. he's gone off course. i mean to tell a witness that they don't know what you know, that they don't know you can recall something, to not go there when there's a question, if that's true and the committee has done their investigation, and i believe cassidy hutchinson on this, he's gone badly off course. there was a sign he started representing the election deniers, an assault on our democracy even before we learned this, but this is really a sign that he's gone off course. and it's particularly tragic when it happens to somebody whose job is ethics. i thin

hutchinson is now seeking legal advice and wants the new results certified . i have a lot of empathy for the other candidate in district four resnick, um but i also accepted the results when i thought i had lost by 41 votes, so i'm hopeful. in the end once people have a couple of days to absorb the new news that we can all kind of come together around what the official results are and make sure that we follow through with those. elissa harrington ktvu, fox two news welcome the travel chaos with southwest airlines might be turning when southwest airlines might be turning a corner. tomorrow's plans to return to normal service. also a deputy shot and killed today in southern california during a traffic stop what we now know about the jersey enduring more travel disruptions with more flights canceled today, the airline says it's hoping to resume normal operations tomorrow. ktvu is greg lee spoke with people at oakland international airport about how they're coping with the continued cancelations the lines at the southwest ticket counter at oakland international ai

before her public testimony, hutchinson dropped him and got a new lawyer. the committee saying trump tried to obstruct the organization. >> what are we expecting the full report to look like when it's released today? >> reporter: in addition to releasing the comprehensive final report, the committee is also expected to release transcripts of the interviews it conducted behind closed doors. there is pretty much one thing people on all sides of this that they all agree on, they want to see the transcripts. a source tells cnn that jack smith sent a letter to the committee earlier this month requesting all the information from this investigation. we've learned the committee has been sending documents and transcripts in the last week focussing on evidence related to john eastman and mark meadows. interestingly, the justice department also has mark meadows' text messages that provided some of the most significant evidence so far. but talking to the trump legal team they want to see the transcripts also saying they believe there was testimony that undercuts the pu

hutchinson the vice president's role on january 6th. paul, what is your reaction to this >> it sounds like potentia obstruction of justice cassidy hutchinson fingerprint are very incriminated, wit regard to donald trump in th final report that's when trump knew he lost but for the next two months, h lied, he conspired, and he incited a violent insurrection to try to remain president b any means necessary. cassidy hutchinson will told her that on november 18th a, w got to the, election that trum knew biden won he told the committee that trump's fe, sai the only thing that matters as winning, this is evidence of the foreign residence reckless mind state, and it goe directly to the conspiracy and obstruction charges of the committee recommended th former president be prosecuted for. >> glenn, speaking of trump' state of mind, the repor describes trump speech write texting, quote, potus, i'm sure, is loving this, as the violenc escalated on january 6th, an went out at 2:49 pm, and as yo see there, i just read tha glynn, what does it say? th

>> first of all thank you to the hutchinson sprouting is here. it's really fun to be with you and is great to be with doug and betsy. i apologize for my voice. i had a cold last week and then it's been said at the tennessee alabama football game using that voice. so one day my voice will come back but but i consider it y sacrifice. five quick ideas. five quick thoughts. number one, we have to change the conversation to be t about student outcomes. i challenge you secretary rice just a democracy is not she quoted george schultz a democracy is not a spectator sport. here's the way you can participate. go and listen to your school board meeting. you think i would rather chew aluminum foil, but see how little time is talked about, it's been talking about student outcomes. it will come hopefully it will horrify you because the answer in most cases is a zero. you can watch school board meeting after school board meeting. everythingk about from bus routes to football schedules to who should wear masks. but hardly ever about student outcomes. we have to

> reporter: according to new transcripts released by the panel, former white house aide cassidy hutchinson described being pressured before her testimony. in a september deposition, she said an aide to her then-boss, chief of staff mark meadows, called and said, "well, mark wants me to let you know that he knows you're loyal and knows you'll do the right thing tomorrow, and that you're going to protect him and the boss." select committee member elaine luria. >> we need to know did you give that direction, and that's why we made sure to highlight it for the department of justice. >> reporter: hutchinson told the panel she struggled to final aid lawyer and was directed to a trump-related attorney named stefan passantino who outlined his strategy. "the less you remember the better," and later told her, "we just want to focus on protecting the president." before she publicly testified about this altercation between the former president and his security detail in his limousine -- >> the president said something to the effect of, i'm the effing president, take me up to the capitol now. >> report

perry was talkin to him about hutchinson, election issues. cheney, anything more specific than that hutchinson, the vic president's role on januar 6th. paul, what's your reaction t this >> it sounds like evidence o potential obstruction of justice. cassidy hutchinson's fingerprints are ver incriminating with regard to donald trump and the final report november 18th, that's when trump knew he lost but for the next two months he lied, he conspired, and he incited a violent insurrection to try to remain president b any means necessary. cassidy hutchinson said that mark meadows told her on november 18th, just a week after the election, that trump knew biden won opec's told the committee that the only thing that matters is winning. jonathan, this is evidence o the former presidents reckless mind state and it goes directl to the conspiracy an obstruction charges that the committee recommended th former president be prosecuted for. >> glenn, speaking of trump' state of mind, a repor describes trump's speech write texting, quote, potus i'm sure is a