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>> vice president hwang, it's the permit at issue now. vice president hwang: ok. thank you. i thought that was 23rd and mission. the next question i have relates to the various compliance that you had to -- that you were subjected to like the workers' comp. is that a monthly payment you made or did you make it for the full, like, when was that -- when was the coverage period? >> the permit never expired. vice president hwang: the workers' comp and other types of compliance related requirement. >> the permit has -- vice president hwang: huh workers' comp, i think you said workers' comp. there were others. insurance? >> insurance i have. vice president hwang: what is the coverage period for the insurance? >> the insurance come from the city of san francisco. vice president hwang: time period? >> it's every year. vice president hwang: you paid as of the -- >> every year. vice president hwang: what period does it color, calendar year 2011? >> from 2011-2012. vice president hwang: you prepaid it? >> yes. i have copies of it. vice president hwang: i wanted to hear what it was. i d
>> vice president hwang, it's the permit at issue now. vice president hwang: ok. thank you. i thought that was 23rd and mission. the next question i have relates to the various compliance that you had to -- that you were subjected to like the workers' comp. is that a monthly payment you made or did you make it for the full, like, when was that -- when was the coverage period? >> the permit never expired. vice president hwang: the workers' comp and other types of compliance related...
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secretary pacheco: on that motion, vice president garcia, commissioner hwang -- commissioner hwang: i just want to say that i would have voted for it without the modification. secretary pacheco: president goh. president goh: aye. item 12 was postponed. director i feel like all of us are starng to see what the problems in this country are. i think plenty of people are opinionated. i don't think there's many forums where you can really express yourself or try to make a difference or anything. i mean...wha'...whatdo... what do i do, ya' know? the only people that i'm able to affect are the people who care about what i have to say. there is something you can do, but i'm sure it wouldn't be, uh...easy. different man: i get angry about it, but it's like... ya' know, in my own apartment. [laughs] >> this is holly lee knox. there are some proud pet owners in san francisco and they have brought all their pets here to strut their stuff. >> it's an annual event that we've had. this is our 18th year. we bring in rescue groupers, vendors, supporters, lots and lots of animals. it's a proud day for
secretary pacheco: on that motion, vice president garcia, commissioner hwang -- commissioner hwang: i just want to say that i would have voted for it without the modification. secretary pacheco: president goh. president goh: aye. item 12 was postponed. director i feel like all of us are starng to see what the problems in this country are. i think plenty of people are opinionated. i don't think there's many forums where you can really express yourself or try to make a difference or anything. i...
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secretary pacheco: on that motion, vice president garcia, commissioner hwang -- commissioner hwang: i just want to say that i would have voted for it without the modification. secretary pacheco: president goh. president goh: aye. item 12 was postponed. director >> this is one of the museum's longest art interest groups. it was founded by art lovers who wanted the museum to reflect new directions in contemporary art. it has been focused on artists in this region with an eye toward emerging artists. ♪ it is often at the early stage of their career, often the first major presentation of their work in a museum. it is very competitive. only a few artists per year receive the award. it is to showcase their work to have a gallery and publication dedicated to their work. ♪ i have been working with them on the last two years on the award and the exhibitions. the book looks at the full scope of the awards they have sponsored. ♪ it has been important to understand the different shifts within the award program and how that is nearing what else is going on in the bay area. -- how that is mirror be
secretary pacheco: on that motion, vice president garcia, commissioner hwang -- commissioner hwang: i just want to say that i would have voted for it without the modification. secretary pacheco: president goh. president goh: aye. item 12 was postponed. director >> this is one of the museum's longest art interest groups. it was founded by art lovers who wanted the museum to reflect new directions in contemporary art. it has been focused on artists in this region with an eye toward emerging...
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commissioner hwang: aye. >> this matter is rescheduled to february 8. president goh: we will move now to item number one, general public comment. is there anyone who would like to speak on an item that is not on our calendar? seeing none -- oh, please step forward. >> good evening. this is indirectly related to an item on the agenda tonight. president goh: we should wait and speak during the item. thank you. any public comment under item number one? we will move to item number two. that is the election of officers. the rules state that the president and vice president shall be elected at the first regular meeting of the board held after the 15th day of january each year. tonight is the board's first meeting after january 15 for it as such, the election of officers is on our calendar. before we proceed, i want to take the opportunity to thank president goh and vice president garcia for your service. you have been helpful and supportive to me and the department. i truly appreciate it. president goh: thank you g
commissioner hwang: aye. >> this matter is rescheduled to february 8. president goh: we will move now to item number one, general public comment. is there anyone who would like to speak on an item that is not on our calendar? seeing none -- oh, please step forward. >> good evening. this is indirectly related to an item on the agenda tonight. president goh: we should wait and speak during the item. thank you. any public comment under item number one? we will move to item number two....
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vice rpesident hwang: aye. commissioner goh: aye. >> we are now moving on to item no. 5. -- item #6. 1290 fell st. she will not be attending the hearing and has asked that the board decide the case on the papers she has submitted. carla short this year and we can give her time to speak. >> thank you. karl a short, department of public works and bureau of urban forestry. i would like to take a moment to congratulate commissioner goh and wish her the best of luck. i do not know if the public realizes how much time the commissioners put into preparing for these hearings. as a staff person, it is satisfying to know that the efforts we make in preparing our briefs and attending the hearings are really being very awfully considers. you've always taken time to consider the briefs before the hearing and always the testimony presented so thank you very much for your service to the city. it's been a great service to the city and i hope people recognize that. commissioner goh: thank you. >> in terms of this case, this is
vice rpesident hwang: aye. commissioner goh: aye. >> we are now moving on to item no. 5. -- item #6. 1290 fell st. she will not be attending the hearing and has asked that the board decide the case on the papers she has submitted. carla short this year and we can give her time to speak. >> thank you. karl a short, department of public works and bureau of urban forestry. i would like to take a moment to congratulate commissioner goh and wish her the best of luck. i do not know if the...
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hwang: i have a follow-up question to that. i know you had made an effort to make your issues herger it did you attempt to directly -- to make your issues heard. did you attempt to directly identify your issues to the building owner or facility managers? >> i was not able to do that. i appreciate you recognizing the fact that i have availed myself of the process. and the outcomes were quite positive for all concerned that i am very reasonable. i am very easy to get along with. my concerns are reasonable ones and they have been resolved by them in the past. vice-president hwang: but he did not take any opportunity to communicate directly with them? >> i do not know who these people are. they do not live directly in san francisco. >> commissioners, the matter is submitted. president garcia: someone. commissioner fung: i will start. what is before us is a tradition request on the variance which is granted spring of last year. the building for that all the variants -- that followed that variance. what is before us is not anything t
hwang: i have a follow-up question to that. i know you had made an effort to make your issues herger it did you attempt to directly -- to make your issues heard. did you attempt to directly identify your issues to the building owner or facility managers? >> i was not able to do that. i appreciate you recognizing the fact that i have availed myself of the process. and the outcomes were quite positive for all concerned that i am very reasonable. i am very easy to get along with. my concerns...
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commissioner hwang: the work was done prior. director goldstein: ok. secretary pacheco: we have emotion from commissioner hwang to reduce the fine to 2 w times based on the fact the work was done prior. on that motion, commissioner fung, vice president garcia, and president goh. the penalty is reduced to two times the fee. director goldstein: we move on to item number 11. president goh: i am sorry, director. we are going to take a break. a very, very short break. [gavel] director goldstein: we are calling item number 11, jo r -- jordan kwan vs. the department of building inspection for 791-79327 avenue, protesting the issuance on october 7, 2 with us -- 2011 to alter a building. we will give three minutes to each party. please step forward. and thank you for your patience sitting through this long evening. we appreciate it, both sides. >> good evening, commissioners. my name is jordon -- jordan kwan. we are at 791. we have tried to get an agreement. my initial request was with that thought for a setback from a property is known. on december 19, i sugge
commissioner hwang: the work was done prior. director goldstein: ok. secretary pacheco: we have emotion from commissioner hwang to reduce the fine to 2 w times based on the fact the work was done prior. on that motion, commissioner fung, vice president garcia, and president goh. the penalty is reduced to two times the fee. director goldstein: we move on to item number 11. president goh: i am sorry, director. we are going to take a break. a very, very short break. [gavel] director goldstein: we...
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commissioner hwang: thank you. >> good evening. i'm a consulting arborist and i was hired by the school's for the purpose of evaluating the trees along this particular block. and my arbour is report in its entirety has been provided in your packet. i will be very brief and simply summarize that my approach was to ascertain what impact their repeated sidewalk and street repairs had had on these ficus trees and determined through brute crown excavation whether extensive root cutting had occurred and if so, what that had created in terms of the decay in the trees. given in some cases without decay, whether it has created a hazardous condition. based on those findings, and there are photos in my report that are indications of the extent of the root kaeding that has occurred, -- root cutting that has occurred. as well as root cutting for repairs which is extensive. the last tree was tree 5 which is near the corner of franklin. it has had all the routes removed along the curb line and concrete used to fill in the rap --
commissioner hwang: thank you. >> good evening. i'm a consulting arborist and i was hired by the school's for the purpose of evaluating the trees along this particular block. and my arbour is report in its entirety has been provided in your packet. i will be very brief and simply summarize that my approach was to ascertain what impact their repeated sidewalk and street repairs had had on these ficus trees and determined through brute crown excavation whether extensive root cutting had...
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vice president hwang: thank you. >> we can take public comment now. is there any member of the public who wants to speak? please step forward. president garcia: does anyone else intend to speak besides mr. castillo? just two? you may have two minutes, sir. >> mr. castillo was unable to bring a family relative so would like me to translate. president garcia: which gives you four minutes. [speaking in spanish] >> i asked him to speak in one to two sentences at a time. >> good evening, my name is julio castillo. >> i've come here concerning the permit i've applied for. [speaking in spanish] >> concerning this permit that i applied for, that i applied to the city directly. and in the papers that he has, the permit that mr. ascarrunz has seems to be for 24th and mission. and the other one that he has is expired. enkspired december 31, 2010. commissioner fung: say that date again? >> december 31, 2010. [speaking in spanish] >> and the other her mitt he hasi
vice president hwang: thank you. >> we can take public comment now. is there any member of the public who wants to speak? please step forward. president garcia: does anyone else intend to speak besides mr. castillo? just two? you may have two minutes, sir. >> mr. castillo was unable to bring a family relative so would like me to translate. president garcia: which gives you four minutes. [speaking in spanish] >> i asked him to speak in one to two sentences at a time. >>...
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vice president hwang: we will move on to item number 12. francis mcdonald vs department of building inspection. the property at 340 spuruce street. permit to alter a building. application number 201130 four zero. we will begin with the appellant. >> good evening, my name is francis mcdonald. >> if you would pull the microphone closer. >> week, the tenants, on this building -- we, the tenants, of this building have been penalized when they hire unqualified contractors who do work beyond the scope of a permit when i do request to permit. as they did in the case of -- construction to read it was not a certified contractor at the time they began their work. they did corps' work. by the end of their work they did get to the certification needed. when they started, and they were not abatement certified. i'm trying to show you a pattern. the plans you see in front of you are misrepresented of of the structure as it exists today. because of this misrepresentation, and neighbors will lose their chance to weigh in on the construction. it seems obviou
vice president hwang: we will move on to item number 12. francis mcdonald vs department of building inspection. the property at 340 spuruce street. permit to alter a building. application number 201130 four zero. we will begin with the appellant. >> good evening, my name is francis mcdonald. >> if you would pull the microphone closer. >> week, the tenants, on this building -- we, the tenants, of this building have been penalized when they hire unqualified contractors who do...
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commissioner fung: >> aye. >> vice president hwang? >> aye. >> the vote is 4-0. the permit is upheld on that basis. >> thank you. >> then we'll half on to the next item which is item 7, appeal 11-138, says are ascarraunz at 2305 mission street appealing the denial on november 28, 2011 of mobile food facility permit, sell of hot dogs, related toppings and nonalcoholic beverages, mff 0085. you have seven minutes. >> good evening, commissioners. this is a very simple case which is -- even myself i don't get 50 cents for families who make a living with this beautiful car was featured in the "san francisco chronicle" pink pages, i guess you have and is one of the best hot dogs in the city, in the state. i'm very proud of that. i got the permits and paid to the police department but somehow some person wants that location and i have a police permit, fire department, tax department, all fully paid and notified. today i went to pay, they assess me -- they put a lien on my property for $740 which i never knew and am going to pay for some secure property taxes and the asse
commissioner fung: >> aye. >> vice president hwang? >> aye. >> the vote is 4-0. the permit is upheld on that basis. >> thank you. >> then we'll half on to the next item which is item 7, appeal 11-138, says are ascarraunz at 2305 mission street appealing the denial on november 28, 2011 of mobile food facility permit, sell of hot dogs, related toppings and nonalcoholic beverages, mff 0085. you have seven minutes. >> good evening, commissioners. this is a...
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commissioner hwang: thank you. next speaker, please. >> i live directly across the school and i have lived there for 16 years. i am here industries mean a tremendous amount to me. it is my birthday and i came here anyway. this canopies are gorgeous, those are healthy, beautiful trees and something i want to mention is that day in june was one of those rare thunder and lightning days. i was home doing computer work and i was blown away. i heard loud thunder and saul lightning flashes. i grew up in the east coast with a lot of lightning and thunder all the time throughout the summer months. i assure you that when you hear thunder there is also most likely lightning going on. there was -- to say there was no lightning when there was the loud crashes of thunder going on, you saw in the video, someone's reaction was that had to be lightning. a branch coming down with that kind of violence. that was not rain. i heard that crash. it was like god's wrath coming down. i looked out my window. it was lightning. i assure you.
commissioner hwang: thank you. next speaker, please. >> i live directly across the school and i have lived there for 16 years. i am here industries mean a tremendous amount to me. it is my birthday and i came here anyway. this canopies are gorgeous, those are healthy, beautiful trees and something i want to mention is that day in june was one of those rare thunder and lightning days. i was home doing computer work and i was blown away. i heard loud thunder and saul lightning flashes. i...
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commissioner hwang: this operation is on the southeast corner. you are separated by samson. >> it is across the street. >> i understand. let me go where i'm going. you bring up the issue of elevators. >> there is elevators on our sidewalk. not that i am aware of. i walked at the other day and i did not see a sidewalk. not in that area. commissioner hwang: there are no elevators there. ok. that is all i have to ask. thank you. president goh: didno, this is o. we were disappointed. we are going to be coming here. we will be here from the very start. we are going to be on top of this, and we will have representatives going forward. it is of gaining an -- an ongoing process. >> the you want me to pass over her pictures an
commissioner hwang: this operation is on the southeast corner. you are separated by samson. >> it is across the street. >> i understand. let me go where i'm going. you bring up the issue of elevators. >> there is elevators on our sidewalk. not that i am aware of. i walked at the other day and i did not see a sidewalk. not in that area. commissioner hwang: there are no elevators there. ok. that is all i have to ask. thank you. president goh: didno, this is o. we were...
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secretary pacheco: on that motion, vice president garcia, commissioner hwang -- commissioner hwang: i just want to say that i would have voted for it without the modification. secretary pacheco: president goh. president goh: aye. item 12 was postponed. director >> welcome to culture wire. we will look at the latest and greatest public art project. recently, the airport unveiled the new state of the art terminal. let's take a look. the new terminal service and american airlines and virgin america was designed by a world- renowned architecture's firm. originally built in 1954, the building underwent massive renovation to become the first registered terminal and one of the must modern and sustainable terminals and the united states. the public art program continues its 30-year legacy of integrating art into the airport environment with the addition of five new commissions that are as bold and dynamic as the new building. >> this project was completed in record time, and we were able to integrate the artist's early enough in the process that they could work with the architect said that th
secretary pacheco: on that motion, vice president garcia, commissioner hwang -- commissioner hwang: i just want to say that i would have voted for it without the modification. secretary pacheco: president goh. president goh: aye. item 12 was postponed. director >> welcome to culture wire. we will look at the latest and greatest public art project. recently, the airport unveiled the new state of the art terminal. let's take a look. the new terminal service and american airlines and virgin...
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secretary pacheco: on that motion, vice president garcia, commissioner hwang -- commissioner hwang: i just want to say that i would have voted for it without the modification. secretary pacheco: president goh. president goh: aye. item 12 was postponed. director goldstein: there are no further items on tonight's agenda. president goh: adjourned. captioned by the national captioning institute >> hey, kids. ready to get out and play? check out these totally extreme classes. indoor street hockey, martial arts, kayaking, repelling. want to catch some waves at the beaches in norcal? >> how about grinding rails at your local rec center? let's check out two programs with sf rec and park. get out and play in the beautiful beaches of northern california. the best time of year for norcal surfing starts in the fall. september and october are typically the warmest months of the year with highs in the 70's and great offshore winds. water temperatures range in the mid 50's, so get your wet suit on, and jump in. we provide search gear, wet suits, surfboards, and of the boards. students learn all abou
secretary pacheco: on that motion, vice president garcia, commissioner hwang -- commissioner hwang: i just want to say that i would have voted for it without the modification. secretary pacheco: president goh. president goh: aye. item 12 was postponed. director goldstein: there are no further items on tonight's agenda. president goh: adjourned. captioned by the national captioning institute >> hey, kids. ready to get out and play? check out these totally extreme classes. indoor street...
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commissioner hwang, aye. commissioner go. president goh: welcome back. we are calling items 6a-6i. the appellant is sheila murphy. dba is trabacco ristorante. and 107 is john isaacs, dba as ziggy's burgers. 109 is dba portico restaurant. 112 is carlos aguilar. these are -- the addresses are, protesting the issuance granted. the permit number is -- all nine matters were heard and are on for further continuation. the permit holder was to seek certificate of sanitation for the second street vacation. i am going to give the parties a chance to speak of the wish on that item in particular. starting with the permit holder. two minutes each. the subject is limited to the introduction of new evidence with respect to the certificate of sanitation. >> i did review the issue and read the recorded transcript. i am prepared to listen to today and rule. >> good evening. i submitted a bathroom form. with bk industries. i submitted the bathroom form for this location. i wanted to say that we did not intentionally withholding. it was not my intention to waste your time by having you have to postpon
commissioner hwang, aye. commissioner go. president goh: welcome back. we are calling items 6a-6i. the appellant is sheila murphy. dba is trabacco ristorante. and 107 is john isaacs, dba as ziggy's burgers. 109 is dba portico restaurant. 112 is carlos aguilar. these are -- the addresses are, protesting the issuance granted. the permit number is -- all nine matters were heard and are on for further continuation. the permit holder was to seek certificate of sanitation for the second street...
commissioner hwang, aye. commissioner go. -- goh. president goh: we will take a short break.
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. >> commissioner hwang is absent. president goh: aye. >> the vote is 3-0. president goh: we need a break. commissioner garcia: thank you. >> welcome back to the december 14 meeting, i am ready to call item 7a- 7d. through 7d. the appellants are -- [reading names] this is the protest of the mobile food facility permit. president goh, i believe the permit holders agent would like to address the board. >> thank you. on behalf of the permit holder of these locations, i have been speaking with the appellants and would like to ask that this board, without a public hearing, save us the time and difficulty of that, to proceed to disapprove hora pulled this permit, disapproving the two locations at beal and california street and to uphold the other locations of the permit. commissioner garcia: mi ssission and washington? >> i have spoken to the appellants and they agree with that. >> should we ask for the appellants to address the board as well? we'll do that, starting with the appellant. this is in specific reference to the proposal, 97 minutes of testimony. -- not
. >> commissioner hwang is absent. president goh: aye. >> the vote is 3-0. president goh: we need a break. commissioner garcia: thank you. >> welcome back to the december 14 meeting, i am ready to call item 7a- 7d. through 7d. the appellants are -- [reading names] this is the protest of the mobile food facility permit. president goh, i believe the permit holders agent would like to address the board. >> thank you. on behalf of the permit holder of these locations, i have...
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vice president hwang: aye. commissioner goh: aye. my last vote. 4-0. the permit is upheld. >> i miss having the gavel. >> we are adjourn. -- adjourned. commissioner newlin: january 10, please call the role. >> commissioner perez. here. commissioner hyde, here. commissioner joseph >> here. commissioner tan, present. commissioner newlin. we have a quorum. let the record show that commissioner cavellini is absent. >> i would like to introduce two new commissioners, one has been sworn in. and the other one will be seriously considering it after tonight's meeting. [laughter] commissioner newlin: on my left is brian pan, welcome and in the audience is stephen lee. [applause] commissioner newlin: welcome. all right, we are going to continue until the end of the meeting to review and approve the minutes and continue item three, report of the executive director and call item number 4, police department comments and questions. >> richard carrea and i wanted to introduce to you inspector richard van cole who will be taking over the duties formerly handled by anot
vice president hwang: aye. commissioner goh: aye. my last vote. 4-0. the permit is upheld. >> i miss having the gavel. >> we are adjourn. -- adjourned. commissioner newlin: january 10, please call the role. >> commissioner perez. here. commissioner hyde, here. commissioner joseph >> here. commissioner tan, present. commissioner newlin. we have a quorum. let the record show that commissioner cavellini is absent. >> i would like to introduce two new commissioners,...
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vice president hwang: aye. commissioner goh: aye. my last vote. 4-0. the permit is upheld. >> i miss having the gavel. >> we are adjourn. -- adjourned. >> i am the director of visual arts programming at intersection for the arts. intersection for the arts is based in san francisco and has always been an organization that looks at larger social political issues through the lens of practice, and we are here today at our exhibition of "chico and chang." the original inspiration was drawn from a restaurant chain in new york city. half of their menu is -- what struck me was the graphic pictures and a man in a hat on a rig truck carrying take that time is containers and in the black sea to representation of a mexican guy wearing a sombrero and caring a somali horn. it struck me that these two large, very subversive complex cultures could be boiled down to such simple representations. chico and chang primarily looks at four topic areas. one of the man was is whose stories are being told and how. one of the artisans in the show has created an amazing body of w
vice president hwang: aye. commissioner goh: aye. my last vote. 4-0. the permit is upheld. >> i miss having the gavel. >> we are adjourn. -- adjourned. >> i am the director of visual arts programming at intersection for the arts. intersection for the arts is based in san francisco and has always been an organization that looks at larger social political issues through the lens of practice, and we are here today at our exhibition of "chico and chang." the original...
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vice president hwang: aye. commissioner goh: aye. my last vote. 4-0. the permit is upheld. >> i miss having the gavel. >> we are adjourn. -- adjourned. supervisor avalos: good morning and welcome to the public safety committee of the san francisco board of supervisors. my name is john avalos, and i am joined by christina cohen. our thought -- christina olague. our other member is not able to make it today. supervisor olague: motion to excuse supervisor mar. supervisor avalos: we will take that without objection. we are also joined by supervisor cohen. she is most welcome to be here. the hearing is sponsored by her. could you please call item one and share with us your announcements before the -- that. >> all persons attending this meeting are requested to turn off all cell phones and pagers. if you wish to submit material for members of the committee, please submit an extra copy for the file. if you wish to submit a speakers card, please but it by the container in front of you at the real to your left. supervisor avalos: thank you. if you could please
vice president hwang: aye. commissioner goh: aye. my last vote. 4-0. the permit is upheld. >> i miss having the gavel. >> we are adjourn. -- adjourned. supervisor avalos: good morning and welcome to the public safety committee of the san francisco board of supervisors. my name is john avalos, and i am joined by christina cohen. our thought -- christina olague. our other member is not able to make it today. supervisor olague: motion to excuse supervisor mar. supervisor avalos: we...
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commissioner peterson has resigned for the board and commissioner hwang is absent for the evening. when a vacancy exists on the board, the board may overrule the action of the department by a vote of three members. four votes are not required to overrule a departmental action in. that is why we are able to meet with only three members present. if the absence commissioners vote could make a difference, the board will allow the absent commissioner to participate in the vote. we are also joined by deputy city attorney francesca who will provide the board with any needed legal advice. at the controls is the victor. and i am sylvia gold steam. we are joined our representatives who have matters before the board. jarvis murray is here representing the division of taxis. john fong is here representing the department of mapping. and anthony greco is representing the department of building inspection. at this time, could you please go over the meeting guidelines. >> the board request that you turn off all phones and pagers so they will not disturb the proceedings. please carry on conversatio
commissioner peterson has resigned for the board and commissioner hwang is absent for the evening. when a vacancy exists on the board, the board may overrule the action of the department by a vote of three members. four votes are not required to overrule a departmental action in. that is why we are able to meet with only three members present. if the absence commissioners vote could make a difference, the board will allow the absent commissioner to participate in the vote. we are also joined by...