shannon: a couple of weeks ago, the medical journal "the landsat" published a study finding hydroxychloroquineid not provide benefits combating coronavirus and they said had pe effects. now, it turns out that study might not be so reliable after all. fox news medical contributor dr. marc siegel investigates the facts for us tonight. hey, doctor. >> hey there, shannon. big news tonight on the now controversial 60-year-old antimalarial arthritis drug hydroxychloroquine. whose antiviral properties have been touted by president trump and others as a potential treatment or preventative against covid-19. may 18th, with the president admitted taking it, the media vultures circle to come and on may 22nd, the respected scientific journal "the lancet" published a study that suggested the treatment was dangerous, dee the heart rhythm side effects of hydroxychloroquine have long been known. "lancet" retracted that study saying it relied on questionable data on a company with only four employees, one a science fiction writer on the other in adult content model. despite claiming it runs one of the largest a

in june fda revokes authorization for hydroxychloroquine. in revoking the authorization, the fda acknowledged what those studies showed which is, one, it didn't work and, two, there was a chance of bad side effects including cardiac side effects. so now there's no more authorization for hydroxychloroquine. doctors can still prescribe it for covid-19 if they want to. it's on the market for other illnesses so they could prescribe it, but in general they're not in favor of prescribing it. now you might wonder why did they authorize it? trump was a cheerleader. he called it a game changer. he tauted it. he took it himself when he found out staff members whom he had been exposed to had covid-19. from the very beginning there was essentially no evidence that this drug could work for covid patients. christine, laura? >> all right, elizabeth. thank you for that. >>> let's get a check on cnn business this tuesday morning. take a look at markets around the world. all higher here. significant gains in tokyo, hong kong, and shanghai as well. futures, th

. ♪ jedediah: the use of hydroxychloroquine to treat covid-19 has been highly debated especially aftereing touted by president trump. after a couple of studies that doubted its effectiveness were retracted, network evening newscast gave the story zero coverage. however, the networks did give the study's attention back before the retraction. why the silence now? let's bring in fox news medical contributor and author of "make america healthy again" an amazing book i love and read and endorse dr. nicole saphier welcome tote show as always. great to have you here. >> good morning. jedediah: good morning. explain a little bit about this retraction and then why you think it's not getting any coverage. >> well, jed, unfortunately politics has made its way into science when it's coming to covid-19 specifically hydroxychloroquine because president trump not only encouraged it or not encouraged it but said he is taking it himself and supported the use of it. this is a large trial. a large study that was published in lancet in the new england journal of medicine. both reputable medical journals s

a single prevention trial that was published a few weeks ago on hydroxychloroquine. none of those have really panned out to demonstrate efficacy. and in fact, importantly, they have shown some bad side effects, some dysrhythmias, abnormal heart rhythms that occur when taking it, which we knew was a side effect of hydroxychloroquine to start. so, i think that the data are now really emerging that this is not what we had hoped it would be. last week, the nih panel of scientists withdrew their recommendation for using hydroxychloroquine, and i believe that was some of the motivation for why the fda withdrew their eua. >> dr. rochelle walensky, new cnn medical analyst, thanks for being here this morning. >> thanks for having me. take care. >>> let's look internationally, because worldwide, the number of coronavirus cases has now passed 8 million. in china, officials are racing to control a new outbreak that's believed to have spread much more widely than just the food market where it started. cnn has reporters all around the world working these stories for you. >> report

one, what is the natural side effect of hydroxychloroquine. one of the things that can do is interfere with the heart rhythm, and i can get into the technical reasons, a very small fraction of people will gets -- will be put at risk for arrhythmia, and abnormal heart rhythm that can be fatal. that was a heart problem that people were talking about. complication, and perhaps was overblown. he was the problem. in the case of coronavirus, it does not matter if you are taking hydroxychloroquine or not, this virus is pretty evil. once somebody gets the infection , this virus distributes throughout the entire body through the blood system and into organs like the heart, and kidney, or the brain get damaged. so, there are a lot of heart complications just from coronavirus itself, and there can be heart attacks or other types of heart problems, the heart not pumping efficiently, so, if someone is taking hydroxychloroquine on top of whatever the virus is doing, you will hear reports that this person was on hydroxychloroquine and had a heart problem. wh

okay, let's give hydroxychloroquine. and surprise, surprise, the results were not that great because they were dealing with a patient population that was already perhaps to a point where nothing would aid in their recovery. same story to some degree got told with remdesivir. it is more effective if it is used in people who are moderately ill, not seriously ill or just on the way out. i don't want to see hydroxychloroquine only used in that environment. some of the stories or the reports that have come back to me from doctors in texas is that it seems to be of most value used as an outpatient, someone who has tested positive, beginning to show symptoms, and then as a rescue in that setting, and of course, the advantage of hydroxychloroquine over remdesivir is hydroxychloroquine can be administered in a pill, administered orally. remdesivir is going to require iv access. there's the availability of the treatment done entirely as on outpatient basis, and that's intriguing. that is certainly something that is going to be nec

and other agent in the form of hydroxychloroquine.here are other agents that have shown some promise, i think part of the answer in all of this may be the suppression of the inflammatory response it appears to occur with coronavirus which is one of the mediators of disease, this is a novel virus, we are learning a lot and have learned a lot over the last five months that we've been acquainted with it, i think there is no question that there will be much more learned going forward but the caller does point out an important fact, there are folks around the globe and people in my own state who contacted me the night before the hearing that was going to occur on doctor bright to relate to me their experience that they've had with hydroxychloroquine and i think it is something on the scientific side we need to pay attention to. >> doctor bridges, there is a story in the wall street journal taking a look at the possibility of advanced trials of a vaccine even by summer, are you comfortable with the rate that this is going, is this an approp

i mean, the hydroxychloroquine,

in that study showed a in a fit of taking hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin. like many studies, people who take the medications or are given the medications tend to be sicker than the ones who aren't. because after all, clinicians think they need more medications to try to help them. so when in spite of having more serious symptoms of the covid-19 and more chronic conditions, they did better in avoiding hospitalization by taking the medication. >> laura: finally in 15 seconds or so, dr. after you published your piece in the lancet study and advocating on the behalf of hydroxychloroquine what you think about treating p? after i published in the american journal last week, i heard from hundreds of physicians who have been very supportive of the message which is that outpatient disease is a totally separate entity that needs to be evaluated and treated on its own without regard to what happens in hospitals. >> laura: doctor, thank you so much, we appreciate your expertise. coming up a wake-up call for the black lives matter crowd in the last bite moment.

they use this large database to look at patients in the hospital taking hydroxychloroquine, and they found not only did it not help, the drug that president trump said was a game changer, they said, no it does not help, in fact, it increases the chances you could die. so now we're kind of back where we were before the study which was still two other large studies showing hydroxychloroquine did not work, did not find the increased death rate, but still this stuff doesn't help. the nih and the fda saying don't take hydroxychloroquine unless you're in a clinical trial. the nih and fda still saying don't take this drug unless you're part of a clinical trial, which the vast majority of people are not. >> okay. important. elizabeth, thanks a lot. >> i always say listen to the doctors. and be sure to check out cnn's coronavirus documentary, "coronavirus: fact versus fiction." listen wherever you get your podcasts. >>> thed.c. circuit court of appeals said it cannot suspend a reporter's white house press badge that was attempted by the white house. >> the decision backed up a trial court's e

the moment the study on hydroxychloroquine was published it was controversial. among its findings, no benefit in treating covid-19 and had dangerous side effects. now the authors of that study have issued an apology. >> it is the drug that president trump took and touted the benefits of. now a study that said hydroxychloroquine was potentially dangerous it has issued a retraction. the reversal came about after the company that provided analysis and data refused to fully cooperate with a peer review citing client agreement and confidentiality requiremen requirements. they retraction reads in part "we always aspire to conduct our research based on ethical guidelines." the world health organization which halted its own study on the drug because of the now retracted study reversed course even before they retraction was issued because its findings were wildly question. a separate study just released concludes hydroxychloroquine does not prevent the covid-19. las vegas is back. after a 78 day shutdown caused by the coronavirus pandemic, many casinos and resorts today

the study studied the drug as a preventive measure found hydroxychloroquine found it did not keep peoplerom getting covid-19. now we know the president took it for two weeks. there has been no interval change. the top white house doctors saying in a physical exam, that assessment was contained in a summary of trump's health compiled by dr. shawn conley who reported a decline in trump's cholesterol levels, but a one pound weight gain by the president since last year. trump stands at 6'3" and is now 244 pounds, which is considered obese, according to the cdc's body mass index calculator. the memo noted that trump's cardiac health was closely monitored while he took a two week course of hydroxychloroquine given as a preventive measure after two white house staffers were diagnosed with covid-19. he completed that treatment safely and without side effects. the physical was performed in april and november of 2019 which trump made an unannounced trip to walter reed national military medical center. it is unusual for a president to complete his physical in multiple stages. the memo does not desc

what about the hydroxychloroquine and zinc. in new york city, in new york, in particular that was something that was not utilized in many cases. so what did you find in terms of the approach by doctors to that course of treatment in new york and maybe new york versus another state for example? >> >> in new york the doctors were not able to prescribe the hydroxychloroquine. the main treatment in new york city in elm hearst hospital was essentially to put these patients on a vent. and they really reached to try any alternative treatment even though they were successful in other states. prime florida. my hospital was successfully treating patients with the hydroxychloroquine and the zinc with a completely different number of deaths. jedediah: so what's interesting to me about this is having lived through this in new york city, all we heard about was more ventilators. more ventilators. the need for ventilators as if ventilators was somehow going to be a cure for many people. what you actually found was that the ventilator oftentime

that's with covid associated use of hydroxychloroquine. and they were asked to pull the emergency use authorization, which is what they just did. basically they said there is no evidence it is beneficial. some evidence that it really is harmful and we should not be using it. and certainly not no real evidence that it's a -- you should take it to prevent yourself from getting covid. >> the reason this is worrisome, zeke, and you probably haven't seen this a lot. i haven't covered the pollicization of medicine. but the president continues to talk about a vaccine showing up before christmas. most vaccines experts say that's not likely because you have to test a vaccine to see whether over time it has detrimental effects. i worry that if we politicize the vaccine, hundreds of thousands, millions of people are going to want to be first in line to get, and the same thing may happen. we may not have the safest thing, but we have politicized this. you are either on trump's side or you're not. >> i agree. we wrote an op ed in "the new york times" a

on hydroxychloroquine stuff, they were kind of dancing around about what that means. saying that this was a relief. i didn't understand that. >> they were really sort of very narrowly defining it, the secretary said what the fda did today in terms of saying hydroxychloroquine is no longer used in the hospital. that means the sickest patience that they were using it for, they didn't find it particularly beneficial so they're not going to use it in the hospital setting anymore. they will continue to prescribe it for the labels for which it has been approved for and that is to treat malaria, from a thyroid arthritis, lupus, other cases like that. they do continue to explore the use of hydroxychloroquine and people who aren't that sick, or maybe like the president to see if it might be effective. the hospital setting, that's been removed, but there are lots of places where they're going to use it. >> neil: that was never in doubt that it's used for malaria and these other elements. i don't believe that had ever been held and a question. john, thank you. very busy update.

. >> so the side effects of hydroxychloroquine are mainly heart-related. so they were mainly rhythm problems that when people got put on the drug they had, particularly, the sicker you were, the higher the chance that you'd have it. in not as sick patients, maybe they'd have problems we wouldn't see in the hospital setting. we were monitoring patients closely and the studies that the patientsesper walized, one of the studies published in the british medical journal, there was about a 10% chance of having heart problem if you were put on hydroxychloroquine for covid. >> interesting, and for people who already were prescribed this and hearing that the fda is removing its emergency use, what would you tell them? should they be concerned? >> i would say that if you're in the middle of a course, i'm always one for completing the course. i mean, i'm not saying that there is no chance in any setting that it does work, but the evidence of the settings we use for treatment doesn't seem so, but if you're under supervision of somebody or already in the middle of the

remember when the president was pushing hydroxychloroquine? as a way to treat coronavirus. >> i had a two week regimen of hydroxychloroquine. and i have taken it i think just about two weeks. it's another day. i'm still here. >> well, he may have taken it. today the fda revoked the emergency use and authorization for both hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for covid-19. one of the biggest reasons, the republican party has put up with the president's lies, his device iness. ineffective leadership. is because they have been very, very successful together at putting conservative judges on the bench. including the supreme court. and yet they lost a major case today in the supreme court. the high court ruling that federal civil rights law protects gay and transgender workers. it's a defeat for the trump administration. which argued title 7 of the civil rights act which bars discrimination based on sex did not extend to claims of gender and sexual identity. or sexual orientation. they argue against that. they lost. 6-3 landmark ruling written by just

use of hydroxychloroquine. that's the headline from politico. but then hhs secretary alex azar went on to clarify what the fda meant, dr. oskoui, watch. >> they may be used in outpatient, they may be used at home. all subject to a doctor's prescription. the fda's removal of the emergency authorization takes away what had been a significant misunderstanding by many that made people think that somehow it could only be used in a hospital setting. >> laura: dr. oskoui, why did the fda even inject itself in a debate over a drug at approved decades ago? >> i think the obvious answer increasingly as the fda is corrupt to the core. as is so much of washington. there was no reason for the fda to inject itself in this position in any way. i can understand that certain hospitals may want to restrict it internally. a lot of these hospitals have researchers who get a lot of grant money from pharma and this endangers those grants. and i get that. but to restrict my use as a clinician, too restricted to patients i think is tr

and only a few weeks ago was promoting the use of hydroxychloroquine like a pharmaceutical salesman. now the fda says it's not reasonable to believe it is effective in those benefits outweigh the known potential risks and then to stop telling americans agency like this one knows that they are not supposed to buck the president the obligation to come forward to tell americans the truth of hydroxychloroquine. this should be a warning to all americans you can't listen to president trump when it comes to healthcare whether hydroxychloroquine or anything about the coronavirus itself because the experts in his own administration contradicted and shouldn't need saying the president is not a doctor although advice from the white house podium only to have the experts backtrack weeks later this is not how a leader handles a crisis this is not how a normal person even handles a crisis. senate republicans relegated the covid issue to the back burner. and that established under the accares act and then to tell the caucus not to expect another emergency relief bill until the end of july. that insu

specifically cautions against the use of hydroxychloroquine for covid-19.part, because of side effects ranging from cardiac arrhythmias to increased risk of death. look, i don't care how you feel politically. we have to protect the president of the united states. there's just no way to dismiss the seriousness of death. >> death is death. >> stephen: i stand corrected. now, the medical community responded to the news with a "what-- what-- what?" one clinical pharmacologist said of the president's hydroxychloroquine regimen: "that seems... to be a crazy thing to do." ( as trump ) "oh, really, doctor? well, i'll have you know 'crazy' is my middle horse." one of the reasons health professionals were especially concerned is because trump would appear to be part of the cohort most at risk, as he has a common heart disease. yes, he doesn't have one. ♪ ♪ >> tin man slam! >> stephen: despite a statement by the white house doctor, some people are speculating the president might be lying. >> let me assure you, the president of the united states is not taking hydroxych

i don't want to see hydroxychloroquine only used in that environment. some of the reports that came back to me from doctors in texas is that it seems to be of most value used as an outpatient. someone who has tested positive, beginning to show symptoms. as a rescue in that setting. the advantage hydroxychloroquine has over remdesivir's it could be distributed in a pill. remdesivir requires the access. there is the availability of treatment done entirely done. that is intriguing. that is something that will be necessary in the fight against this disease. there are number of studies going on right now. i want those studies to be done. --ant them to have asked her accurate data. we want them to be working with .eople the studies have been underway. there is an effort to get those studies done quickly. that will be an important part of this. we saw house democrats unveil the proposal, is there anything you could sign onto? similar to the last , it is constructed behind closed doors. this really should require or should be important enough. let's listen to m

hydroxychloroquine, oxygen in high concentrations and blood plasma.ake you feel scared, it makes you feel safe. but international experts tell us the use of hydroxychloroquine is unsafe. this doctor is a virologist at the university of kent. right now, the science says that hydroxychloroquine does not prevent covid—19 infection and does not prevent severe covid—19 disease. and we need to be basing public policy on the latest scientific data and they are still using hydroxychloroquine despite this data. and i think that is my biggest concern. but staff at the hospital aren‘t planning to change course. they are proud that their mortality rate is less than 1%. they treat fast and treat aggressively. we use the combination of drugs. do you think that other countries should try to follow this approach? other countries except dili might acce pt other countries except dili might accept their patients to hospital in accept their patients to hospital in a really late period and they start their drugs very late in a very late period. are there lessons to learn

one was hydroxychloroquine. this was all questionable decisions. the lack of insufficient scientific basis. and out months later, about the emergency use and authorization acknowledging that clinical data showing drugs may not be effective to treat covid-19. and then the potential benefits do not outweigh the potential risks. this is a crude example of the dangerous political considerations to distort and should be scientific process relying upon unbiased evaluation. in this chair will explore the importance of supporting scientific research and the repurchasing current therapeutics. and as covid-19 treatments. and when politics intrudes, and research availability is currently engaged in a heroic effort to explore therapeutic things impossible for the covid-19 treatments pretty there may be more that we can do as py makers to provide researchers in the funding and the conditions they need to make progress. they're also more that we can do for the integrity the role of science on foundations and the efforts in this area. our witnesses, in this persp

and the fda revoking emergency use authorization for hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine based on new evidence they may not be effective to treatment covid-19 and could have adverse health effects. >> hydroxychloroquine. try it. >> reporter: president trump repeatedly touted the drug without evidence. erica hill, cnn, new york. >>> so the president claims increased testing is behind the rising numbers but that doesn't explain the spike in hospitalizations in states like texas. joining me now is the mayor of san antonio, texas. mayor, thank you. >> thank you. >> texas reported a record high of over 2300 coronavirus hospitalizations today. why do you think your state is seeing this kind of rise? >> it is pretty simple. we're seeing more transmission. there's more activities taking place. people are mixing and mingling a lot more than they were when we were under stay-at-home orders throughout all the urban areas. we knew transmission was going to rise. what we don't want to see is increase in severity and overwhelming of our hospitals and medical systems. we are starting to see those pe

the agency is ending the emergency use of hydroxychloroquine because the risks outweigh any known benefits. cnn's senior medical correspondent is joining me now. oh, we have talked about this drug so much, this was an emergency use authorization, right? why revoke it now? ? >> some ways, you could ask why not a long time ago. let's take a look at how this all unfolded. so back in march, the fda issued emergency use authorization for hydroxychloroquine to be used for certain covid patients then in april, just a month later, the fda and nih come out warning against its use and then the month after that, two studies prestigious medical journals came out say iing it was ineffective. they said not only does it not work, but it increases the risk of cardiac arrest by more than two times then today here in june, the authorization is revoked. now it's saying and the fda says it's unlikely to work and there are concerns that it could cause problems including heart problems. now it's interesting because the fda has said look, at the time we gave the authorization back in march, we were going based o

i don't think hydroxychloroquine helps, he says. it's bs. everything that comes to brazil from abroad has already been contaminated. many tell us they've done more than the state. the mayor has turned to mask making which means she can stare out her window. the dealers give her a little more for them than anyone else. daniel's friend had diabetes and died suddenly at home. the virus is in control here, he says. even the dealers afraid. they're imposing some rules like bars and restaurants can't have tables and chairs. it is part of living here that police could return any time. this rock is meant to block their vehicles. the last raid left at least seven people dead. now that is one part of brazil's ongoing problem with coronavirus. communities that really it seems have to fend for themselves. rio's state level is doing all it can, but its health care system isn't that well funded and the numbers across brazil are awful. 828,000 confirmed cases here. but that is just simply the number of people who have had a positive test. often we hear doc

to be clear, prior to this one, there were two major studies that looked at hydroxychloroquine that found that it didn't work, one even found it increased the chances of cardiac arrest. those have not been retracted. they did not use this database. those still stand. the nih and fda saying don't take hydroxychloroquine if you have covid unless you're part of a clinical trial. alisyn? >> what about this new study on the use of pepcid as a potential treatment? >> right. so it's the use of the active ingredient in pepcid. this is sort of intriguing. there's been thinking that this might help people who have coronavirus. so this was a very small study. can't emphasize how small it was. ten patients. these ten patients were at home with covid. they were not in the hospital. they started taking to motor dean, the active ingredient in pepcid. they did feel better. most people at home do feel better over time. was it the natural course of the illness or the medicine? we don't know. the important part is that it's making doctors say maybe we should try it in a clinical trial. give half am they hav

i don't think hydroxychloroquine helps, he says. it's bs. everything that comes to brazil from abroad has already been contaminated. many tell us they've done more than the state. naya turns to mask making which means she can stay at the window. the dealers give her more for them than anyone else. daniel's friend had diabetes and died suddenly at home. the virus is in control here, he says. even the dealers are afraid. they're imposing some rules like bars and restaurants can't have tables and chairs. it is part of living here that police could return any time. this rock is meant to block their vehicles, the last nearby left at least seven people dead. doesn't look like much but curfew, we're told this is a massively reduced street presence here. the bars, frankly, would normally be heaving, and there are still deals being done on various street corners here. this cut off again. this time by the virus rather than criminality that keeps it going from the rest of rio de janeiro. the world brazil can't afford to distance or ignore as the virus

to treat covid-19 and could have adverse health effects. >> hydroxychloroquine, try it. >> reporter: president trump repeatedly touted the drug without evidence. the president a short time ago also talked about why he chose oklahoma saying that the state's relatively low infection numbers as we pointed out on that map, though, oklahoma is one of 18 states trending up. and the director of health said i'm concerned about our ability to protect anyone who attends a large indoor event. he said he's worried about the ability to ensure the president stays safe as well. >> erica hill reporting for us. thank you. let's get some more of the coronavirus outbreak in texas which has now reportedly hit several members of two nfl teams. what are you learning, ed? >> reporter: hi, wolf. we don't know exactly the names of the players that have been infected with coronavirus or just how widespread it is within the members of that, on. but the houston texans and the dallas cowboys both releasing statements saying that they cannot talk about which players are infected because of privacy laws. but they

hydroxychloroquine is not intended for use to prevent covid infection. and it's associated with clear risks to the heart. let's be clear here. i'm glad the fda took this step. it's long overdue. >> dr. gupta, thank you so much. always great to have you here. you always get us a little bit smarter. >>> time for our hero of the day. today it's an extraordinary one. meet detroit school principal jacqueline dungy. when her charter elementary school shut down in march, her babies, as she calls them, were suddenly gone. and she could not constantly keep an eye on their well-being. principal dungy and her staff tracked down all 127 students to make sure each one was doing okay. and she set up a food drive so they could get meals just like they did at school. eventually it got so big she served the entire neighborhood. the principal says her kids have the ability to change the world so she wants to give them every resource to do that and believes every child deserves a champion. i just want to point out, she is our champion and our hero today. and they may chang

may not be effective to treat covid-19 and could have adverse health effects. >> hydroxychloroquine. try it. >> reporter: president trump repeatedly touted the drug without evidence. erin you noted the record number of covid-19 related hospitalizations in texas. also today in that state the mayor of austin extended the stay-at-home order for his city through august 15th noting the high rise in case numbers there saying his city is at stage 4 risk. >> thank you very much. i want to go straight to our chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta. you heard erica's report on rising cases and does that mean it is really getting worse or is it just increased testing and health officials clearly saying it is getting worse. trump, though, says texas is doing a fantastic job. texas had a record high in hospitalizations which is a very important metric. so what is your reaction to the president? >> i mean, i don't know what numbers he is looking at or what the governor of texas told him. texas is heading in the absolute wrong direction. they had as you mentioned the record number of hospitali

. >> or taking hydroxychloroquine. >> i'm taking it. hydroxychloroquine. >> when? >> right now. yeah. couple of weeks ago. started taking it. because i think it's good. i've heard a lot of good stories and if it's not good, i'll tell you right. i'm not going to get hurt by it. >> belarus is saying that hockey and ice and vodka are going to cure the coronavirus. >> translator: there are no viruses here. did you see any flying around? i don't see them, either. it's a refrigerator. it's not that different from saying that injecting yourself with bleach is a good idea. you, as a virologist, not an american, looking from the outside, anything in particular you would point to and say the u.s., this administration, got it wrong? >> in the u.s. there are some really excellent people and wise people who know about infectious diseases who are providing very sound advice, but it was almost like the epidemic was already a serious problem before action was taken. >> how would you rank the trump administration? >> i don't think they've done a very good job. >> in the u.s. states had their own

. >> or taking hydroxychloroquine. >> i'm taking it. hydroxychloroquine. >> when? >> right now. yeah. couple of weeks ago. started taking it. because i think it's good. i've heard a lot of good stories and if it's not good, i'll tell you right. i'm not going to get hurt by it. >> belarus is saying that hockey and ice and vodka are going to cure the coronavirus. >> translator: there are no viruses here. did you see any flying around? i don't see them, either. it's a refrigerator. it's not that different from saying that injecting yourself with bleach is a good idea. >> you as a virologist, american looking from the outside, anything in particular you would point to and say the u.s., this administration, got it wrong? >> in the u.s. there are some really excellent people and wise people who know about infectious diseases who are providing very sound advice, but it was almost like the epidemic was already a serious problem before action was taken. >> how would you rank the trump administration? >> i don't think they've done a very good job. >> in the u.s. states had their own appro

whether it comes to hydroxychloroquine or anything about the coronavirus itself because, the experts in his own administration so often contradict his advice. it shouldn't need saying that the president is not a dr.. and yet, he has been issuing off-the-cuff medical advice from the white house podium only to have the experts scrambling to backtrack weeks later. this is not how a leader handles a crisis. this is not even how a normal person handles a crisis. senate republicans meanwhile have relegated the covid issue to the back burner. as the expiration dates for several of the programs established under the cares act quickly approach leader mcconnell has reportedly told his caucus not to expect another emergency relief bill until the end of july. the emergency unemployment insurance we passed in the cares act is soon going to run out. the ban on evictions is soon going to expire. state and local governments are preparing to/public services and are in dire need of public support. clip after clip faces us, economic trouble after economic trouble is looming upon us very soon. yet, all

i'm shocked the no one seemed to think that hydroxychloroquine. now i was told that the red blood cells, there is a thing that attaches with the virus but if you take the hydroxychloroquine, then the hydroxy attaches to it in your red blood cell. host: we will get an answer thank you for your call. dr. michael saag: one to my knowledge, studies have not been stopped in fact we are doing our study right now in our institution that is sponsored by the institution of health that is comparing hydroxychloroquine with another drug versus placebo in this study is ongoing. so i'm not aware, is randomized, couple thousand patients. i think we anxiously await the results. you may be right, there could be some others but the one i am familiar with have not been stopped. nor should they be at this moment in my opinion. in the second question is about people who are already on these drugs as are taking it for lupus etc. answer iser not fully known. there's been one brief report that suggested there not being protected against the coronavirus. but whether there

fauci, they spike the use of hydroxychloroquine.notoriously risk-averse, you stay away from controversy. in this is now become vastly more controversial than it should have been. you don't hear about positive studies, which are beautifully done in france, in spain, italy, south korea. that answer a lot of the questions and you have a lot of the poorly done studies if they are done at all and in this case the lancet article is clearly just a completely fraudulent database. when you have dr. horton and dr. ruben the editors of the lancet respectively who are pulling a rosenstein in saying i didn't know. i never read it. the play published it with the verb in the should consider resigning from their positions. we need to have a wholesale look. if you wonder what else is wrong with thesek journals. this is what we discovered. >> laura: dr. smith, the problem here i think is that the media, like it, you guys are sophisticated medical thinkers and were lazy. if the people here are like oh, my god, i'll never take this i'm e going to have

one, what is the natural side effect of hydroxychloroquine. of the things that can do is interfere with the heart rhythm, and i can get into the technical reasons, a very small fraction of people will gets -- will be put at risk for arrhythmia, and abnormal heart rhythm that can be fatal. that was a heart problem that people were talking about. complication, and perhaps was overblown. he was the problem. in the case of coronavirus, it does not matter if you are taking hydroxychloroquine or not, this virus is pretty evil. once somebody gets the infection , this virus distributes throughout the entire body through the blood system and into organs like the heart, and kidney, or the brain get damaged. so, there are a lot of heart complications just from coronavirus itself, and there can be heart attacks or other types of heart problems, the heart not pumping efficiently, so, if someone is taking hydroxychloroquine on top of whatever the virus is doing, you will hear reports that this person was on hydroxychloroquine and had a heart problem. where

not smart enough to make your own hydroxychloroquine at home.t people can't even make a lemon meringue pie. last night i suggested that the president might be trying to kill himself and that we should keep an eye on him. and apparently that message resonated because i got a scolding today from white house press secretary number four kayla macalooney. >> so no one should be taking this without a prescription from their doctor. >> but with that being said, i've seen a lot of apoplectic coverage. jimmy kimmel said the president's quote trying to kill himself. joe scarborough saying this will kill you. neil cavuto saying what have you got to lose? the one thing you have to lose are lies. >> jimmy: she's definitely getting her hair colored. i don't see any dark. anyway, thank you for watching, kayleigh. as you know most schools have had to hold their graduation ceremonies online this month. the governor of mississippi, tate reeves, gave an online commencement for his alma mater and i want you to take special attention to him reading the graduates' na

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host: on hydroxychloroquine again. guest: the disease has a hiker rate, if you give somebody -- you give rate, if somebody a pill, you could go, look, it is the hydroxychloroquine. there has been large-scale research at this point and hydroxychloroquine has not been shown to be effective. it has not been shown to be effective as a preventative drug, not as a treatment drug, and with less ill people with covid ti has not been -- it has not been shown to be a treatment for those who are seriously ill. and the fact that some of my i thinges stand on this speaks more to them than hydroxychloroquine. will not argue i it was not worth investigating, but the drug has been investigated and it doesn't work. it's over. i will leave it at that. host:host: time for a couple more callers. mark in omaha, good morning. mark, i have to hit the button. there you go. caller: thank you for your information. one thing i thought i heard was that young people, it is not determined that they spread the disease. i that they had studies where

did very well on hydroxychloroquine. i was called by the e.r. doctor who said he was on an nih protocol and had dramatic improvement. literally could not get out of bed for two weeks. and within a few hours of taking hydroxychloroquine began to improve. completely, sir, anecdotal, and i want to reassure you i'm not making any decisions based on that except i am incredibly appreciative of that local health care system, that doctor and the team that got him better. but it was a tough time, and we've gotten through it and he continues to improve. >> i'm so happy for you. i know, dr. stone, your country owes you a debt it's unlikely to ever repay. but being a military officer, you knew that ahead of time. i want to personally thank you though and i want to tell you how proud i am of the work you did as a leader there. i want to salute you and say god bless you, sir. i yield back, mr. chairman. >> thank you, dr. dunn. thank you for your question. we all are grateful that your family is doing well, all of your children and your father, dr. stone. and

at this point, hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine are just like any other drug in the united states. they may be used in hospital, outpatient, at-home, also through a doctor's prescription. in fact, the fda removal of the emergency use authorization takes away what had been a significant misunderstanding by many that made people think it could only be used in a hospital setting, and we tried to make that clear throughout. it is a drug that is approved in the united states and has been for decades. if a doctor wishes to prescribe it working with a patient, they may prescribe it for any issue that they choose to do so, and this removes a barrier. pres. trump: so this uncomplicated's it. the question was a very inaccurately stated question. >> no longer considered an important treatment, only in -- secretarye data -- azar: that data is not yet in.

hahn, i am sure you have read several articles regarding hydroxychloroquine. every study says it doesn't work in any setting. in fact, it has known side effects of cardiac issues being one. so there is a danger in terms of the side effects. are you going to inform doctors across the country about -- >> thank you, congresswoman, for that question, and indeed we are. i can refer to that committee to several documents that we have put out over the last several weeks regarding hydroxychloroquine. with respect to the issues, we issued a safety alert, particularly around the combination of hydroxychloroquine with other drugs that might affect the heart, and as you know, we have taken recent action regarding -- >> specifically, have you specifically spoken directly to the american people? this notion about hydroxychloroquine -- >> yes, ma'am, there is a piece that is authored by me, as well as a piece that is directly to the american people about hydroxychloroquine -- >> i want to know if you have spoken out verbally to doctors across the country. with all due respec