the hyperarousal, the avoidance, the reexperiencing the incident.nd since we rely on our social and emotional systems to get us through, if that system is experiencing stress, then it makes it that much harder for us to recover. >> i think -- >> i'm sorry. >> i didn't mean to interrupt you. i read that posttraumatic stress disorder patients out of traumatic situations like for -- in your case we're talking about your hospital, that they are experiencing this at the same rate as veterans do. is that a stretch or an accurate on? >> i think it's accurate. and i would turn to chaplain rees to talk more about that. >> yeah, actually what the literature would support is the rates of ptsd symptoms that we found among our patients is probably almost twice what you would experience -- expect in veterans who have come from active conflict. >> did you say it's twice? >> yeah, 40% is what we found among our patients and their family members. >> so trauma patients are experiencing ptsd at twice the rate of war veterans. >> i think we need to be clear, we're talk