. >> host: also hypervisibility.here's a way in which certain types of colorized individuals become ubiquitous and served a dangerous notion how the world imagines rays of how the world imagines difference. how do we strike that balance between not wanting to be invisible in the public imagination but not wanting our visibility to become a social to merit and to become something that becomes more problematic? >> guest: that's a really different -- difficult question and something that i struggle with every single day. it's something that we as folks who are interested in change in racial progress think about all the time and it's something we talk with her students about all the time. you know i think that's the third rail of trying to be an artist of color in this particular moment. figure out how to negotiate between the need to be able to represent yourself and tell your story and the difficulty of dealing with the images that kind of precede you. it's a burden of representation is whether this and it's no differe