i could look at something and say, she would kill me if i did this and i would change it. there are all the things. it's a constant process. no book falls on to the page and the words don't just fall on the page. they may fall on the page and you delete half and start over. you take the one line that works and write around it. that's basically a lot of the way i write. i want to read you some and i guess i should read a little and i want to open up for questions about this book or the other books or what i'm doing now or not doing now. basically, for me i think samurai's garden another reason why love this book. everybody says, what's your favorite book? i think, they are like kids. you wouldn't say johnny is my favorite son. we all books at the time we need to write that book. it's hard to be an author because you have an audience and they want you to write particular books. if you don't write the book they want you to write then it's something else. but all the books are different in that way. because samurai's garden gave me the japanese culture and to a large extent sam

and so i killed him. d it was years later that i was driving down i-5, which is the interstate that goes through oregon and washington. and, dark, middle of the night. and, you know, i love country music on the radio. and nobody bothers you, you know? you're just, everything's under control. and his eyes appeared in the windshield. and i'm psychologically aware enough to know that, "uh-oh, this guy is coming back. and he's coming back. and you need to deal with it." and that was the genesis of that second book. i started to write down what i was really trying to think about to reconcile, "what was that?" i mean, there we were. he would have killed me. i would have killed him. and both of us probably didn't want to do that. i mean, as soon as we got out of that situation, we'd go, like, "what was this all about?" and especially the vietnam war, you never knew what that was all about. he at least had the moral, whatever the word is, side of saying, "well, these guys are in my country. and we want them to lea

i went and i did it. and my partners were understanding, too. even though they were reluctant to see me do this. but i did it. so i went down and i did it and that's how i got hired. >> did you recruit any of the staff? >> i was involved -- i was involved in sort of vetting and discussing with doar certain people such as evan davis, for example. you know, and i was supportive of him hiring certain people who sort of came along. i tried to induce him to hire certain additional people which he decided he didn't really want to do. actually, people who turned out to be very prominent later on. one is pierre laval who's now in the 2nd circuit and the other is tony sifton who became chief judge of the eastern district of new york, both federal judges. sifton unfortunately died a few years ago. laval is still a judge in the 2nd circuit. doar decided -- i don't want to overstate this. i wanted more litigators and more trial lawyers for this thing. i envisioned a trial in the senate. i wanted guys, my contemporaries. doar, you know, he had me and he had s

i got very dizzy and. i overdid it and i fell. and i realized you can really lose consciousness so i called the medics months earlier. we were going to do a concert myself an elder oh there were twelve thousand people waiting for stat winners that it was in. italy. and they took me to lobby on a gurney and they had it as i put the sheet over my face. so look like they were moving. past all the people were getting ready to go to see my concert so they ruled me right past them and took we didn't ask for them and dr said. you know mr benson you're not going to be able to do the show tonight as it was you know what are you talking that's not what. he's here you know you're not in good shape us that nobody in my at my age is perfect there's no sir i said this is what i do and i got twelve thousand people and my clothes were at the hotel so he made up you know that stuff that they used to make. paper oh yeah we wrapped my foot in paper and good bands around it and put a little paper thing over top of me and i went to the gig and reliance

i think one of -- i love people and i love emotions and i am fascinated by people, and i am fascinated by people's relationship with their emotions, whether or not they are open with them, whether or not they are repressing them, they acknowledge them, if they are traumatized in some way and can't access them. there are so many -- for every person you meet there is a whole new infinite number of possibilities of how that person has come to be and i just find -- i get really turned on by that and that leads you to a lot of great things that leads you to books you want to read, it leads you to studying psychology, it leads you to just sitting down and talking with people, observing human behavior, to dance and movement and it is all really connected and interesting. >> rose: have directors made an impact? >> oh, yes, oh, absolutely. i mean, i told you jonathan demi, i talked to him earlier today. he has had a huge impact on my life. to this day. gary marshall and, anna lee. >> rose: tell the story of anne lee, that was an early moment for you, wasn't it? >> yes, it was. >> rose: you said

i set out to put together a band, and i knew i wanted to be with don henley, and i wanted great singers as well as great players, and we told linda ronstadt we want to have our own band. we said, we want to have our own end. -- band. you know who would be really good with you is bernie. good night she brought him in, and -- she brought him in, and we met him, and she helped us get randy meissner to replace the bass player, so linda really helped us get the eagles together, but that is a little serendipitous. tavis: you said a couple of things. i think you are right that you have got to be open to constructive criticism, but not everybody is. particularly if you are bent on the idea that this is how i want to do it. you have to respect his style, but what was it that allow you to except his critique? >> he was the golden boy. he was representing joni mitchell, crosby stills and nash, he was the song writer's agent, so he was right. at 22 or 23 years old i was not ready to make a solo album. i was just getting going, so he was right. we got bernie to jam. we got randy to jam, and then i c

>> in december 31, i have a long conversation with my dad, and i talked to my brother, and i did not talk with them or any friend, because i thought it was not relevant to talk with them about this. goo>> why did you think it was relevant to talk to your neighbor, and ivory madison? >> she called me in december, and she said, can you call me so we can plan our goal for the new year? i said, can you take care of theo. i said, i will be there. i was mad and ross, so i said it was perfect. i went to see her. that was the conversation december 31. we plan for the next day. the next day i went to her home, and she started to talk about she is in therapy, and she mentioned my therapist. my therapist told me i have anger issues, and i thought, and who really? anchor issues, -- anger issues, and i think i would like the number, because i would like to share your professional opinion. that is how i started the conversation, and i remember when she mentioned dasthat. i said, i really need your professional opinion about this. it was as a lawyer, because she is always repeating that she is a la

i had a meeting with greg daniels, and i was such a fan of "the office" and steve carell, who i knew from "the daily show." very long, but we were acquaintances, and i just was so impressed with what he was doing and how the show looked and the vibe of it, and i felt like i could fit in. so it was a scary choice, but it was also in a way a no-brainer. tavis: i guess, ostensibly, this could be said of any character that one plays over a period of time, but it occurs to me now at least that both of these characters, the role you played on "the daily show" and on "the office," could lead to typecasting. so i am trying to juxtapo your wanting not to be typecast on "the daily show" but stepping into something that could ultimately lead to typecasting, as well. is desperately trying to avoid typecasting is actually avoiding reality. we are all typecast in whatever type that we are, and i think that if you can sort of find your pigeonhole and celebrate it, then you are actually doing something sort of savvy, from a business standpoint. i do feel like i have a lot to offer as an actor that pe

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sometimes i just show up, and when i show up something magical happens and i step out of the way and let it come through me. tavis: one of the other characters in your book is the neighborhood that you grew up in. that comes through pretty clearly to me. how much of your neighborhood, your upbringing, your surroundings, had to do in any way, if at all, with ushering your gift? >> well, the first piece of furniture in my parents' home was a piano, so it was there and i evidently have some sort of gift with it, so that was an opportunity. my parents were both supportive, exposed me to the arts, to music. i lived in new york city. i technically lived in brooklyn with access to new york city, and my mother brought me to shows, broadway shows. so think living in new york was a world of opportunity that maybe is not as readily available to others who grow up in more rural communities. that is not to say that that stops them. they just have to travel farther. tavis: yeah. bob dylan was not born in new york city. >> no, he wasn't, but he showed up. tavis: yeah, so it can work even in duluth,

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i can ask some friends. andi can help her in that way. >> accounted quickly 16 calls to and from new on the roster that you were shown up until 4:14 p.m. and 30 calls between 5 -- 5:12 a.m. anp.m. and 7:00. what was your mood and state of mind? >> it was very stressful day. i am at home telecommuting and it was very stressful and i know that to -- that ileana wanted to get hold of ross and communicate. it was very stressful. and strange. being thrust into some -- with someone i do not know who is on the phone who that is. and wanting the best for them and making sure that she was taken care of and she was ok. >> i will give you two words, connecting, helping them communicate. another is problem-solving. as one or the other were both describe what you are trying to do or is there a better term for it? >> i think support. emotional support is what i saw that i was trying to do when she had reached out to me. and referrals, if she needed them but she did not seem like she needed them. she said she did not need them

earl and i-- as a rail. earl and hi a little bond because he's a vietnam veteran and i was a vietnam veteran. and neither one of us had much of a filter. we pretty much say what we think at all times, good or bad. and it was an interesting day to watch this young kid, first of all people say did you see his talent. yeah, it was unbelievable, his natural talent it wasn't polished. the talent wasn't polished but you could see. >> rose: it was that hand-eye coordination. >> it was just beyond belief, what he could do. i remember ask him, tiger, i have asked you hit balls now for 15 minutes and we talked about a couple things. i said tell me, when you get to a hole where you absolutely have to drive the ball on the fairway, every great player has a little shot, most will tee it down low and chase a little draw out there or they will hold one off and think the out of the neck way little fade just to make sure the ball gets in the fairway. i said what do you do in pressure situations when you have to hit one in the

>> i am working telecommuting from home, and i am working, and i get a call, and i am doing the best i can see if she is in any danger or need any support. >> so you did not think of it at the time? >> yes. >> when you think that having guns and a home is a risk factor for further violence could >> yes. >> did you ask her whether she was threatening to leave the sheriff or to take their son? i. >> would you agree that the danger is heightened when the victim is threatening to leave? >> absolutely. >> did you ask her if the sheriff was ever drinking or using drugs during this time period? >> no. >> would you agree that drinking or using drugs is a risk factor for violence? >> yes. >> did michelob's tell me during this protocol, this first 40- minute phone call, that she was considering making a police report? >> no, she did not tell me that. >> Ñ[e 3did she discuss what effect this would have on sheriff mirkarimi? >> no, she did not bring it up. >> did you bring it up? >> no. >> do you know in she was considering bringing up your views to a doctor? >> yes, she did it tell me that. >>

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i have the time and i have the archive and the interest, and i never done it before. i mean, many people have written books. i have never written a pook. >> who paid for all of this? >> i did. >> out of your own pock. uh-huh. uh-huh. >> on websiting where did you get this idea? has it ever been done before, that you know of? >> not that i know of. i'm sure there is somebody who must have done it. but what we've done, we've taken all of these primary source documents, things in large measure, i've written, for whatever reason, over, you know, so many decades, and digitized them. then you can research it. you can go in and look by key word, name, date. so i think that it's -- the book is rooted in the archive, and it is what it is. it says what happened, i think. >> i know when i got on, i could type in names of people that i've known and it would come up. but i guess -- you just said this -- you could actually click on a letter or an article on the end notes, which i don't think i've ever seen before, and as you'll see, i'll read back to you some of the things people h

and i was full of anger and i was full of pain. >> i had numerous recurring dreams, kind of nightmares that i had a lot of anger. and i wanted to definitely take it out on him. >> the meeting lasted five ç hours. >> we brought with us, do you remember, some pictures of you guys when you were dating and then i also had this photograph of jenny that -- on the emergency room table. i remember we kind of pulled out the nice pictures and mark was smiling and kind of talking about them and then pulled out this other picture. and i know that mark, you didn't want to look at it. and i was so angry, i just wanted to keep shoving it in front of your face. >> i found her. i was the one police took and shoved into a cell for several hours. i let mark know about that. hey, i was -- i didn't do it but i was the one they thought did it. and you did this to me, plus i lost jenny that day. >> it's hard. every time i see these guys it's really hard because you're always thinking, i mean, it's like, i did something that completely damaged them, that

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and i saw this and i thought, what would archeologists think if they encountered this? they would look at this and say, what civilization was this? what religion drove them to do this? we keep doing the same things over and over again. many researchers believe these archeo-astronomical sites are very specifically designed where other researchers say it's all coincidence. but not long ago i was up at a place called chimney rock in southwest colorado. and it's over 8,000 feet. and you are up at the southern end ftd rocky mountains and there is this scarp of rock that rises up probably about a thousand feet out of a valley floor and right at the tip of this scarp there are two twin towers of rock. if you get to a certain place on top of this very narrow butte, you can see between these twin towers and there happens to be a great house built between these two towers and every 18.6 years when the moon goes into its northernmost point on the horizon, it rises between those two towers. i was there at the beginning of the last 18.6 year cycle and we stood up there, probably 20 o

i talked with my dad, i think, and then i was doing all these things at home, and i totally forgot to go back to ivory. so she -- she text me at 11:45 that she finished her calls. and turns out my call, i told her -- that she had an appointment at 12:30 or something like that, by phone. and then i remember i didn't get back to ivory. so i said i just want to let her know i'm not going to call the police. >> and that's after you spoke with your father and ms. peralta haynes? >> yes. >> did you speak with ms. peralta haynes before your father that day? >> i do not remember. >> did you definitely speak with your father that morning? >> i actually, i think i did.

i talked to her for 10 minutes and i came back. and i've been roaming around the country and doing -- what the hell have i been doing? >> i don't know. >> how are you robert? how am i? well, i'm lonely. the way i always am. i was born lonely, i live lonely and i'll die lonely. but the audience has always given me a life ever since i was 2 years old. i danced for them on the streets and they threw money and i said i'm home. it's nice to be back. >> what do you think your public reputation is now? >> my public reputation? i've been traveling around the country for a long time because i was kind of -- after the trial, i was a nervous breakdown. and if anybody in my life -- i didn't have anybody in my life, but if anybody loved me, they would have taken me to hawaii and laid me down in the sand. but there wasn't anybody, so i just got in the car and drove around, living on twinkies and webber's bread, and grew a beard and walked into a pool room and shoot some 9-ball and stuff like that. but the fans have never, ever, ever left me. >> y

>> i cried. and after that just kind of coped. >> how did you survive when you came in as an 18-year-old? >> when i was in county jail, a lot of old-timers told me, okay, when you get there, try to avoid anything having to do with gangs, tattoos, gambling. that's the way i went is kept my head down, don't make waves, and when i do make waves, make sure it's little splashes. >> he's an intelligent young man. he's a bookish young man, and if he could, he'd play dungeons and dragons during the time when he's not working, which is good. the more you read, you have to do math with that stuff, the more you stay out of trouble. you know, he does have a brain up here. he makes his own decisions. >> but we learned that drake's mind can also cause him trouble in a setting as restrictive and controlled as prison. >> definitely suffering from obsessive-impulsive disorder since i've been locked up. i think it has to do with the routines. eventually you become reliant on routines. >> drake's obsessive-compulsive d

i can go on and on. i am retired. i worked for service employees union, i was a business agent for local 87. i do not know how to cut this thing off. i turned the volume down and it still rings. i am sorry about that. anyway, i am retired as a business agent for seiu. i would like to thank you for this award that we're going to get. it took me quite a fuse -- quite a few years to get it together. there was so much confusion about the fillmore and what was going on and being the president of the blues and r&b music foundation, i decided to find a location for a mural. at that time, the mayor located, park and rec -- mayor ok'd and park and rec ok'd it. we came up with -- the mural is beautiful. on the -- jim side. there was lots of confusion as to what was what. i decided to get permission to put a mural on stender and post. for those of you who have seen it, you know it is beautiful. it is not a mural. it is art. h. personality on the merrill looks exactly like himself. being that i knew each person, i tracked them do

just get up and start singing. i this progression, and he says, one of these nights, so in the best of times, it kind of flows. we have days that are great and days that are not so great, but i think the level of trust is really key. >> obviously you were playing with linda ronstadt, but what did you learn from her? one of my favorite projects she did was absolutely phenomenal, but what did you take away from her? >> follow your musical instincts. q. would you feel is right. linda ronstadt had a whole string of hit records. she had all of these pop records, and all of a sudden i was not playing with her anymore, and i year, where is linda? she is in new york doing pirates of penzance. then she did the records with nelson riddle. in my humble opinion those are the best records. i also loved harry nilsson, ust, e nelson's stard but those were great records. i am excited. i hope she gets this record. i may have to send her a copy and say, see what you started. i always wanted to do this since i met you. tavis: what you

and then i went and then i got a call he was going to come at one point. and i got a call the day the convention started from somebody at the ranch. i don't remember who. >> larry temple maybe? >> jim jones maybe. saying he wasn't -- by now there was struggle in chicago. the president was not going to chicago. i left the white house and went up to the jersey shore with my children and watched it there, sadly. so i don't -- i -- the speech wasn't an acceptance speech. the speech was a birthday speech. so up until the last minute i had no sense he was going -- i had no sense, fritz. >> that is probably true. but you asked me what we thought. and there may have been nothing to it. because we couldn't get any management of that convention for about three days, we wondered why. >> i was at the ranch and watched the convention in the office. there was a wing off the main house that contained the president's office. we watched the convention and the riots in that office with the president, who was quite miserable watching it. all that week that the convention, you

i can't go back and say anything if i wanted to, and i thought and prayed about it for a long time. d, this is what i need to do. i need to make amends with my dad. >> even though you're not out and you're in here, you've still done what you can do is live your life to the fullest and help people. and you've done everything you're supposed to do on this earth, and even though you're being here, that's pretty remark able and i know when you get up to heaven, the lord's going to ask. >> it's been two years since the execution, but this is the first time lindsay's watched the video, even though it had been in her possession the entire time. >> seeing my dad kiss me and hug me is weird, because i couldn't remember the last time that happened. >> december 10th, 2009. these are my kids, lindsay and seth. i have about an hour or so left. i just want to tell them both i love them and miss them. >> when i saw him, he apologized for everything. and that, i think that's what i needed. >> hours before her father was executed, lindsay decided to leave indiana and make the long drive home to flori

i was so happy. and i was offered very juicy television situations that i passed on because i was not ready. a few years ago, i did a guest star on new christine, that tv show. and i was like i am home. this is what i do. this is what i do. i knew i had to come back. tavis: i know this because i have read this a few times that you were not really ready for the success that came with "3rd rock." >> it was a shocker. i think television fame -- you might have experienced this. tavis: i have no frame. come on. you are famous in my said. it is a very different thing. it is just a different animal. i could be in an airport lobby with made robin and julia roberts and no one would look at them because it is a tv thing. it is a familiarity. people will talk at you. that is her, that is the girl from -- i know good time here. and sometimes negatively. one guy was like, oh, she got paid. -- she got big. [laughter] i'm right here. i can hear you. television is so weird because you are in their living room. there is

i was not sure about our process and how we came to the decision and i was not ready yet and i had stated that. but today, even telling the community, they would ask me, do you like him yet and it was not so much about that. it was, this is our superintendent and this is the gentleman i have to work with and i have to work with him with the community as well. i have to tell you, it has been up from that moment. up and all the way. and want to thank you for your service. i know there have been lots of tensions, pushes and pulls, but that is the part of the deal. we are supposed to have that and it is healthy. there was never a time when we could not come to the table and have a discussion, whether i was fighting for my committee or on the side of labour and paraprofessionals, you were always able to hear me. even today. to see the walls are barer because richard is moving in and carlos is leaving. the moment of transition. i want to tell you, thank you. thank you for your service to san francisco. i appreciate you coming back here to end your career and do that well. >> congratulations on

i think, you know, ben and i have an incredible debate and i think what i loved is, it comes through experience in both of our lives, it is not just we read this about -- chon is going through experience and ben comes from, you know, black and white, and that's why there are some scenes in the car, after we get their money that i love that is just finally starting to break, you know, this relationship between these two guys and chon wants to engage, he knows it is inevitably going to come to some combative state, and. >> rose:. >> absolutely, and i think that is the beauty of these two guys going at it and it was a great debate that we have almost every day, really, you know, like when is it cogoing to come? even in the scene ther there is a subtlk where chon is looking after he asks if the envelope wants to be a little thinner. >> he looks to ben. he wants to engage, you know and it is ben that just gives him a small little -- no, not yet and you see when he starts to get the green light, chon's purpose goes -- >> rose: he lets c -- chon lets ben -- >> to hold him back. >> without a