i had a month and a half to write half of a book. you know in the first half took a year and a half. i was teaching simultaneous, i was writing on the weekends and trying to write as fast as i could but it was researching. i was trying to learn the culture and understand it enough so it would be part of the book. i began -- i rented a place in lake tahoe and sat there for the entire month of august. it was september ninth or something. i had summer break from teaching and i just sat down from the time it was morning to the time it was cocktail hour. i always say this because cocktail hour got earlier everyday because it was so hard to write this book when i had to write it in a certain period of time like that. what i had done finally, in the end, when it's done i thought it was the perfect situation. i had to be in that situation to write this particular book because that was the situation that the character steven was in. he was in a place he didn't want to be. he was far from people he wanted to be close to. he was not in his terri

now that i had my brother, i was desperate not to lose him. >> you hadn't had him until this. >> we had that cotten batting between us. we had a fierce attachment, when you are that locked together in this kind of angry, very strong bond, underneath that is the bond and the real attachment. so detachment and saying this is about him was impossible. part of that relentless cheer leading was my own failure was to say this is real and this is happening. we always think we can find a solution to everything and we can't. >> did he teach you that? >> yes. that we sometimes things we can't understand. >> knowing what you know now about how it was all going to play out, would you have done anything differently in the way of ongoing, this will be okay, we'll make this okay, we'll try everything kind of cheer leading? >> i don't think, i would have liked to say i would have been a more buddhist embracing nature. my nature is to be with that younger sister. i think i was trying to mirror what thought he needed. maybe silence is the way to go. >> this is an odd question, when you said i finally hav

when you were coming was six months after i had been there, and i had been through a time when i felt i needed to close myself in. i was tutoring people. i was in the yard every day, so i went through that solitary time and more into the rest of my life, because i started that inside. >> i could spend hours talking to you about what is in this book and other comments i have. now the rest of your life -- how do you envision the rest of your life starting with this federal trial? how does kwame kilpatrick at still such a young age see himself navigating the rest of his life? >> i do have a big fight next year. i think it would be a lot different than the first one. a lot of people wanted to take advantage of guilt. i think i found my purpose inside the prison. i mention the fact i was a tutor, social studies, and reading, writing, and i saw the education has to be a place where we work. michelle alexander talks about the crisis. i do not think people understand when 2.3 million people are behind bars. 700,000 or so are getting out every single year. if we do not have a serious structure

i think he had had two jury trials at that point. i had had none. and lo and behold tony serra walks into my court representing the defendant. i couldn't imagine why he was there for a simple misdemeanor assault case, but he was. and i thought, boy, this is just my luck. here i've got this famous tony serra, he's renown, he's in the press all the time, he has had a movie made about him, and i bet he's an arrogant jerk, and i get him. first trial he's going to make me look really bad. and this poor d.a., we're just going to look terrible. well, lo and behold tony serra comes in. he's a wonderful gentleman. he's gracious. he knows i've never tried a case to a jury. he knows that the d.a. has tried two cases to a jury. he guided us through this trial. he put on a fabulous show, as is his want, which was instructional and very, very interesting. he never took advantage of my inexperience or the d.a.'s experience. and by the end of the day when that trial was over -- of course, he won. but nobody on that jury would have ever suspected that i had never tri

i came in. he said let's start with this song. he had ideas about what he wanted to play, and consulting with giles, to see what he wanted to play. i knew what i was going to play because on to play the song as i had written it. basically, it was all laid out and we just kept doing takes until we got a pretty good live vocal that we could maybe make a little better with a few overdubs. i like to make several passes and decide on the take. i like to sing the song five, six times, while the molecules are still moving in the room and your voice is still in that place that is really warmed up and you feel like you really have a hold on the song. tavis: we opened the show with a piece from the record "good night, old world," but when i got the cd, i appreciate this. i am a black man, obviously, born in mississippi. tell me about the track, "emmett till." >> i am from birmingham, a very tumultuous generation that we share, from totally different sides. really the story of an that till -- a em emmett till is a terrible tragedy in a story that w

funny, i had -- about six years ago i had done to give a solo projects back to back. it was an agenda and i had to miliband not to bother me for about three years. the -- i had to tell the band not to bother me for about three years. this was a project i had not planned on making. and we got off the road and i filled the time. because it was done offhand and i have no particular idea what it was supposed to be -- it was all material that came in the course of making the album. it was just a combination of the work and growth and insights i had made over the last 10 years. it was a restatement of those all in one place. oddly enough, i think it is the best work i have ever done. tavis: is it safe to say that age and being a father and all the years in fleetwood mac has made your sound, your music a bit tamer? >> i would not say tamar. i would say more grounded. , in the same way that i've been able to strike a balance between fleetwood mac and the solo, i found a wonderful balance between professional life and personal life. a lot of my friends who were spouses and par

i had in the book and in my heart what i thought it was, i almost knew that if i had gone back it wouldn't be the same. so i made the conscious choice of not going. now that you tell me this i'm thankful i didn't i think it would have destroyed what i created in my head. i thought places are best when they are imagined. i hesitated naming it after a place where my mom said what did exist. i'm glad i didn't go back. making that conscious choice would have changed had i gone back would have changed the direction of the book a lot. >> when i saw it it was so different than how an imagined from reading your books. >> does that teach you never to look up things. always listen to the writer? [laughter]. >> we have time for one more question. >> can't be our essay question. >> she didn't give us a question yet. i wanted to know what made you think of the title like the samurai's garden? >> oh , know the title story. >> i'm sorry. >> quickly. this is actually a publishing business thing. i had written on the contract because i was reading about samurais and gardens. at the time the contract. i loo

i could do. and a friend of mine had just joined. i kind of started reading books about the marine corps to see what, you know, what he was getting himself into, you know. and i kind of liked what i was reading. so -- >> what is it, though, what is it about it that you like? >> mostly the brotherhood, like i said, in the documentary. it just seems like marines are just extra close to each other. and they always strive to be better and just be the best that they can, and just being around that kind of person brings the best out of me as well. >> i think there was only one officer that i saw in there. >> yeah. >> how many of the other enlisted marines had college experience? >> let me think. pretty much all of them have some college experience. >> did y'all talk much about why they had gotten into the service also? >> not really. i think we all pretty much just kind of assumed we had generally the same reasons. >> and as you were shooting this, did you run into any problems with people saying you can't bring that camera in here? >> not

happened is i actually had the fbi -- they weren't sure that i was kevin mitnick for about 3.5 years because i guess i was a good actor that day. and i remember at one point when they were searching my apartment, they actually handed me a wanted poster wanted for supervised release and they handed it to me and they said doesn't that look like you and i studied it for a moment thinking maybe i could really get out of this. [laughter] >> i go, no, it doesn't. what am i going to say, right? [laughter] >> so i have them going for 3.5 games they don't play games and they knew i was mitnick and they arrest me and take me down. they want have time to joke around so -- i was really hoping -- and at up with point i was really hoping i could get out of that situation. one of the case agents says, well, we're going to have to take you down to the fbi office and fingerprint you to try to -- to see if you're really mitnick or not. and i said why didn't you think of that idea earlier and then we wouldn't have wasted all this

and these are people who did not have, do not have the escape hatch i had. always knew, you know, that i was really a journalist and really going home and going back to a physically easy, rewarding kind of work, work that i love as a writer and some of the people who left the real impression on me and you would meet in the book are gail and joan as i called them. these are very funny, fast-talking, hard-working, middle-aged women who it turned out were homeless, actually homeless but didn't think they were homeless. did not consider themselves homeless because one of them had a van to sleep in. the other had a pickup truck to sleep in and that's puts you in a higher strata somehow. people also like rosalee and holly as i called them who were hungry, actually hungry during the course of our workday. this was with a housecleaning service. and i must say in, with my middle class blinkers on, for a long time i thought they were just dieting and that's why they weren't eating lunch and i had to really haven'tly deduce they just did not have the money or the food

. >> when i first got to prison, like i said, i had blood on my mind. i wanted to get my knife wet. >> we're on level four. we have the worst prisoners of any in the state here. you've got your murderers and rapists. we've got people in here with 4in, 500, 600 years. you're up on the ranges. we've got cameras. we've got people walking all the times. but still you can't be with them 24/7. if they want to jump somebody, they'll jump them. if they want to jump me, they can come right in my door and jump me. that's just the way it goes. that's prison. >> i try not to know what they're in here for. because i don't want to be -- like, i don't want this guy around me because he did this or did that. there's guys in here that you know automatically why they're in here. i read the newspapers. i get two newspapers every day and i read them from one end to the other. i know what's going on. >> what is it? what is it? >> he ran away. >> hold up right there on the wall. >> in the initial seconds that officers respond to a report of a fight between inmates, the first

i was somewhere, i had just passed 12th ave. i turned right and parked around the corner, rolled my window down. he approached the vehicle. i am not exaggerate when i say he was screaming at me. did i not know to pull over when their lights and sirens and? by the way, he had his sirens going. there is a whoop-whoop thing going too. i thought i had committed a crime. he was very hostile and very angry. he said, don't you know that people could be dying? you needed to pull over. i said that is why i went around the corner. he said that i could have been hiding drugs in my vehicle by the time it took me to pull over. i offered that he could surge my car. he could search me. i do not have drugs except maybe some of tehran. he angrily replied that i do not want to search you. he asked for my driver's license, proof of insurance, and my registration andros license. i explained my driver's license was in the back seat and i would have to get out to get that for him. the other two were in the glove compartment. i pulled it out, he took m

but the $75 million i had not processed every single night had to go down. if i did more business and god knows that whatever business i was going to do because cantor fitzgerald could not have been more destroyed. but as long as we bailed out and got rid of the older stuff and less than the new stuff, we could survive. so i had a number, on the 19th of september, it was $58 billion. and when we had opened our equity business, this was unbelievable, we figured we would do one trade per client because we were afraid if you screwed it up, the banks would close us down. and what -- what happened was, our clients felt so much desire to help us, that they all did their business with us. we had the busiest day ever on the first day we reopened it. we couldn't handle it. we were killed with kindness. we told the world we were hungry. and everyone in the world stuck a piece of bread in our mouth, we're done. when i see you play that part of the interview, i don't think i could have been a bigger mess. >> is it fair to say that until the money came in to the families,

i was working with children many of whom had been separated from their parents. i saw it in bolivia where i was working with children on the street. as many of you know there are hundreds of children who live in places like something crucible livia who wake up every day and spend their days begging, selling gum and cigarettes, begging and selling gum and cigarettes like this girl who spent her day shining shoes. i saw this in cambodia, where i was working with people who had lost limbs of the landmines and where i was working with kids, some of them young kids who lost limbs and landmines whose families lived on less than 1 dollar a day. kids who were survivors of polio, who when they were fitted with prosthetics literally when they were fitted with prosthetics literally had to learn how to walk again. and what i saw in all of the situation was how important was, how essential it was for people who were living through tragedy and facing difficulty to have a sense of purpose in their lives. and a sense that they were being called to be of service to something large

he had immediate responsibilities as president. i got the crew back on air force one so that we could leave sarasota and make sure that he had lines of communication open back to the white house. i made sure the secret service was doing their job. i was looking for a place to go where the president could meet his responsibilities and be safe. he wanted to go back to washington, d.c. i said the secret service could not let you go there. even the pilot of air force one was reluctant to go to andrews air force base. we got to washington and he addressed the american people. he taped a message in louisiana and went to a meeting in omaha, nebraska. he went to a bunker under ground and the secret service said he could go back to washington. it was a tough day and i was impressed with how he met his response abilities. >> you can hear the scene that is being prepared now. >> i cannot help but think of tall buildings with people jumping out of them. that is what we witnessed that day. >> thank you for joining us. we will return to our covera

and suddenly there was a fire bell and i had to answer the call. it was the time in my life i felt that historic event had happened. i had a gg to understand that i didn't know exactly what it was going to take, but history will be looking over our soldier for centuries trying to understand it. i'm on the maiden on the ground now. i'm going to get as much as i could who would talk to me to try to understand and put him on trade and make comprehensive understandable manner what occurred. >> host: was the store you found what you expected or were there surprises in as you learn to love? >> guest: well, a lot of surprises. i didn't understand. for instance, our understanding of bin laden, that he was this physical jar and counted that he had kidney disease, deduce it leaves wholly in his youth, that he was a billionaire. you know, that was where i started as almost all americans did. i didn't have any understanding of who it was at all. i had no idea what he really wanted. >> host: and what did you find out? >> guest: well, on the subject of bin laden,

but i had no understanding really. i was just 22 or something at a time when we didn't have all the information that we have now. and i had no comprehension of the suffering that and the sacrifice that robert was making to try to make our relationship, keep our relationship in tact. and eveually, when i understood, we both had to step aside and say it was hard for him when i found a new fellow. it was difficult for me when he found a new fellow. but we were always the same. in the end weound we were still us. we were still the same people. we had such a world that was worth saving. it wasn't based, although always magnified, i mean, the physical part of any relationship was beautiful. but robert and i always continued our whole life to stay affectiona. he was always affectionate toward me. >> charlie: what this book is about beyond this sort of remarkable relationship which you talk about with great eloquence is also a circle of people. there's jimmy hendrix. there was andy warhol, gregory, janis joplin. you can go down

well, i had a husband, i had a partner, and now i'm a single surrogate. it doesn't mean i don't make up ads in the middle of the night: "wanted: a husband, somebody who still has a tool chest" -- because there's a lot of breakage in a house with three teenagers. i also dream of winning the ed mcmahon publishers' clearing house, and so you find me on mad days when i worry about money taking those little stickers and almost putting them on a magazine you want. have you ever been hooked on the ed mcmahon "buy more magazines and you have a chance at $10 million, and there's a truck just waiting down the hill to bring you a dozen roses and $10 million"? i got hooked early because i thought that it would be a way out of all my troubles, a way to three college educations, and so you end up doing that and then you find they put you on other sweepstakes lists. suddenly i was being besieged with a contest for kiwi fruit in florida and again for a jaguar bonus, and you're taking those little gold seals. meanwhile the letters are coming in with "elizabeth carpenter"

i had no self-respect. i have days that i could not even look in anger, and not just because i did not like myself physically, but because i knew what was in my heart. i felt horrible. so it was quite a process to go through this thing and to realize i had to start with myself. i could not start out side of myself. it had to begin there. it was only in that way that i could build healthy, positive relationships outside of myself, not to mention that i was in a prison with women that war criminals, but were women from all over the world, individuals that i never would have experienced. i would not have learned about their religion, culture, how they grew up. i had some extremely profound experiences with some of those women. one brief example -- there was a group of jamaican women i talked to. they always ask me questions. i uncovered in tattoos. so i had swastikas and all kind of things. they would ask me. one of the women had asked me several times, "if you met me outside of here, would you have beat me up?

i was born in chicago. my father had emigrateford iran to go to school in chicago, where he met my mother while he was attending the university of chicago. that's where i was born. after my parents had divorced, i spent most of my youth in the state of rhode island, southern rhode island, and then after i graduated high school, i went to undergraduate college in st. louis, missouri and then came out here for grad school, which fell in love with san francisco bay area. all of my plans changed and this became my home. i worked as an environmental analyst for a number of think tanks and then applied that trade in law enforcement, where i went to the san francisco police academy many, many years ago, graduated as a academy class, president of the class. trained in environmental forensics, both here locally, state and federally by the usepa in the training center in georgia and i worked for the district attorney's office in san francisco for nine years before becoming elected supervisor. >> and you spent most of your adult li

pictures i had made over a 15-year period from a studio i had in chelsea. and although the world trade center played the role of the exclamation mark in all of those pictures, they were really about big sky country in new york, about the seasons passing, about the fact that we are an island sitting on the edge of an ocean. there was systems that i was observing as if for the first time. during that summer, i was surrounded by these large scale photographs in the small studio i use in providencetown. perhaps that was what gave me some kind of inner momentum to address the issues in ground zero, the fact that i had lived with those buildings in an intimate way for so many months. on september 7th, i made this photograph. i was in new york to work with a laboratory to make some prints and i went back to my old studio, just to see what things looked like and i remember about dusk i made this picture thinking it's a relatively plain day, not much going on. i'll come back next week. they will always be here. the kind of familiar way, take things for granted. of c

i had no reason to doubt that they were who they said they were. dn't know that they were terrorists. i didn't know anything until the next day. >> reporter: the next day would change vaughn allex forever. >> i just looked up at the two fbi and i said, i did it, didn't i? i checked them in. >> reporter: but tuehey would realize his role within hours of the crashes. >> it was immediate. he was the terrorist. >> it was immediate -- >> immediate. i mean, come on. two planes? one in a lifetime. two in a day? never. >> reporter: it would be only the beginning of tuehey's ten-year struggle to forget one face. >> why do i see mohamed atta driving by me looking at me in a car? >> reporter: and the day was not over. many more ordinary americans were about to become "footnotes of 9/11." >> all i know is that there was trouble and i wanted to warn everybody. >> reporter: at 7:59 a.m., american airlines flight 11, a boeing 767 with 81 passengers and 11 crew was taking off from boston's logan airport on its way to los angeles. after us airways mike tuehey checke

i had permission to use the credit cards, and it wasn't like -- >> judge judy: i want you to show me -- look, you handed me a lot of pieces of paper. >> yes. >> judge judy: i want you to show me where he admits that he posted your name and these photographs, which are very, very descriptive, online. >> judge, one more thing i'd like to add is why she's really doing all this is because -- >> judge judy: just a second. she's not doing anything. you sued her. >> well, i mean, as far as being -- >> judge judy: just a second. you sued her. >> right, but as far as stabbing my tires and stuff, the reason she's being so aggressive or vindictive or whatever it is, is because of what i was telling you before about me telling the guy that he's getting ripped off. >> judge judy: mr. hutton, i want you to understand something. if you posted these pictures of her on the internet... >> thank you. >> judge judy: if you had anything to do with these pictures, not only are you gonna pay for your own tires, i would have destroyed your whole car. do you understand, sir? >> yes, i don't know what you're

i remember one incident where i had some effect of smoke alarms in the house i was renting, and they had to be replaced. the handyman who's going to come and replace the smoke alarms called me and said well, i'm right down at the end of your street, and i said, done. he said i will but i've got to get my car ready first. and 15 minutes later he pulls up. i had a chain across my driveway to keep out unwanted visitors. and i was down there to unlock the chain and let him in. and i notice that both his front and we're license plates had cardboard taped over them so nobody could see the numbers. and he said that's what i meant about getting my car ready. he said i can't take a chance somebody could be in the palin house next door and looked up and upstairs and they said my license plate number and they know that i came here to do some repair work -- repair work. that could put me out of business. that's the kind of fear i encountered everyday. >> with irrational fears? >> i think they were because sarah's history of vindictiveness, of maintaining the minister click of the story of a troop

even though i had not been a drinker and i had not been on drugs and i had not been overly rebellious and even though i had not been chasing around, it did not matter. i was a center and i had a heart that needed to be cleaned. -- a sin i was aner and i think -- i was asinner and i repented for my sin. i turned away from and said," oh, god, clean out my heart. make me new. i want to be a child of yours and your kingdom." and he did what he promises he will do for all. what he does for one, he will do for all. he is not partial. that night i went back and i knelt down beside my bed i said to the lord when i got home, "i don't know what just happened to me but i do know that i am completely different than i was before. something has changed inside of me. lord, radically abandon myself to jesus christ. what ever you have for me, i am here and i am ready. take me, i'm yours." and the lord put in me than a hundred for his word. up to that time, i would read the bible and it did not make sense to me. i put it down and i could not get excited about the word of god. when the lord came into my

but then i had a certain facility for the music. i wasn't great or anything but i kept going at it and by the age of ten or so i was good enough to start playing for his students and then really after school i would go to my father's studio and we'd work until 10:00 at night with students. he's do the vocal exercises and i'd play the songs and arias and every variety of vocal music there was. >> rose: he wanted you to play the piano? >> his biggest ambition for me was that i become the greatest accompanyist there was. that's what he... that was his world. the world of singers and taking care of singers. >> rose: is he pleased about you being the greatest conductor? >> (laughs) well, i thi probably as much as i am hwould have been surprised to what extent my musical life has developed i have a wonderful career now as a conductor but it was something that was far away from what i was thinking. i love playing the piano. but other people saw in me the potential for expressing myself in a bigger way. >> rose: on that list is daniel birnba

it was the book i was worried about and i had sent it to my editor and she called. ing you the gossip stuff now. i think in a way that's more interesting. i was very nervous because i didn't know how she would receive this book. she called and said to me, well, it's very different. [laughter] and then nobody said anything. i didn't say anything and she didn't i didn't know what to say different good or bad so just with quiet. she said, i think this about part of -- she talked to me about story lines. i realized wow, they are going to publish it. and we talked about it as we would talk about a man script that would be accepted. i'm thinking, i can't believe they are going to accept this book. it was a crazy writing experience because of all the books i had written half the book. i had half the book to write before it was due in terms of a contract. we sign a contract and they put a due date on it that was the only book i felt i had to get in on

it was the moment i knew i had to turn the page. you just know. there is something that happens to you, i am going to turn the page. i was panicked. i was surprising him, he would have said no, i am too busy, i don't want you here. i spent a day running all over new york city trying not to freak out about the sirens buying flannel clothes, the right things for the orchard. this is ridiculous, i wear what i always wear, black. >> you are wearing a black cashmere turtle neck to the orchard? you can't do that. on the airplane, i am trying to learn the apple business. i have my files like a reporter. i realize i am treating my brother as if he was a source. i just wanted him to like me. i wanted to impress him. i had to do that little sister thing. the first rule was, put yourself into their world. the second part of this was understand how difficult it is and don't wait for a crisis, because the fact is, if you have this strange relationship with a sibling, you are already in kind of a crisis. you may not recognize it and maybe comfortable and okay wi