i figured there had to be a better way. and i think in 1984 or 1985, they were just starting to make video cameras with significant magnification. the manyt to one of photo stores in new york, with a tiny set up and my little figures. , this verythis out nice young salesperson kept helping me. i said to him, i'm really sorry to take up so much of your time. he said, please, most people come in, drop their kid on the floor, and it is videotaping him crawling -- him or her crawling around. this at least, is interesting. so i got a video camera. and what i did, was i hooked it , so that thevision image -- i had never actually recorded. but i could see the image on my television screen. and because the exposure time on the camera was fairly significant, you did not get those diagonal lines you sometimes get when you're photographing a tv screen. what you did get that miniature pixelation. that added in another layer of , andsm to the photograph they look like surveillance videos. this was prior to the omnipresence of surveillanc

i had never heard of racism. uld not get my head around the idea that someone who had never spoken to me and knew nothing about me would want to hurt me for no other reason than the color of my skin. i formed the question at the age of 10 in 1968, which was, how can you hate me when you do not even know me? i have been seeking that answer, you know, for the next 49 years. i have bought books on white supremacy and black supremacy. nazi germany. i have been looking for the answer in the books and i could not find it. so, in my adult life i figured, , well, who better to ask than someone who would join an organization that is reputed to believe that somebody else is inferior who does not look like them or believe as they believe based on the color of their skin or their religious beliefs? so i decided i would seek out klan members and ask them to answer the question, and then i would get my answer. so the book came out. my book was the first book by a black author on the ku klux klan with face-to-face interviews. so

i have skills i didn't know i had. i am a good worker. i never had a job before. story. don't know how to read, do none of this stuff. i ain't perfect, none of thnchs worst part of all of this is watching the people around me what did it to him. i think the life you're leading is going to help the people i think that were really damaged. get -- if there is anything out of this that i would want, it would be that you lived your life. that my wife -- there's nothing in that life that i care more about. if you can manage that, i couldn't tell you how much it meant. >> okay. >> it's hard to explain this to people. but your act of violence actually made me a better person. it forced me to be a better person. you have that same power to be a better person. and you've already started down that path. you know, taught yourself to read and write. got your high school diploma. you came here to improve yourself, be involved in the groups. and there would be nobody on this planet more proud of you than me. if you were able to take what you have been through and turn it into som

i really, i had no ambition. i did not know what i wanted to do, i did everything from oysters, i was a hostess, bartender, waitress, i painted houses, i sold vacuum cleaners -- i had no idea. i thought i would settle on some job and i would make enough money to pay my rent, maybe have basic cable, maybe not. i did not really have a plan. by the time i was your age, i really thought i knew who i was. when i was your age, i was dating men. [laughter] ellen: what i am saying is when you are older, most of you will be gay. [laughter] ellen: anyone writing this stuff down? parents? [laughter] anyway, i had no idea what i wanted to do with my life and the way i ended up on this path was from a very tragic event. maybe 19 and my girl at a carme was killed in accident. i passed the accident, i did not know with her, and i kept going. i found out shortly after that it was her. i was living in a basement apartment, i had no money, had heat, i had a mattress on the floor, and my apartment was infested with fleas. why is she

i had to wrestle with my faith and say, what do i believe in?elieve in saving lives, so this is the right thing to do. david: did you find sometimes, a woman would say, take my child? because i cannot raise this child. melinda: more than once. i learned from warren's wife, if you can go in anonymously, i will go into many rural settings, a woman from the west. khaki pants and a t-shirt. i will give you an example. i was in northern india. i visited a health clinic. i went into a village. i was talking with a woman. by the time i was finished, i had one last question. what hope do you have? her name was mina, what hope do you have? she looked down for a long time. she cast her eyes down. i thought, i have asked something inappropriate. she finally looked up at me and said, the truth is, i have no hope. i have no hope for feeding this child or that one, or educating them. please, take them home with you. when that happened, it was not the first time, it is heartbreaking. to see a woman who clearly loves her sons that much, but to know they would b

>> i had had enough after i was back in the states. i'd had enough. >> looking back at the war experience, did world war ii change your life? >> oh, i think i definitely it did. i think i was, well, it really broadened my education. in many ways. and, of course, then -- i guess i became much more compassionate about, for other people, perhaps. and then i decided to get more education. of course, i finished college. and i have a degree in nursing education. which i didn't ever use but that's all right. i don't know, it is just hard to say but my life was changed, i feel. >> were you able to go back to school on the g.i. bill? >> yes. yes, that was good. that was -- i think that is a very good thing that the military did for us. i'm not sure i would have gone back, because i did not really have much money. so, but, yes, that was good that i could further my education. >> what is your impression of world war ii for america? >> well, oh, my. that's hard. i think world war ii brought the american people closer together. i'm sorry we didn't s

i had to wrestle with my faith and say, what do i believe in? believe in saving lives, so this is the right thing to do. david: did you find sometimes, a woman would say, take my child? melinda: more than once. i learned from warren's wife, if you can go in anonymously, i will go into many rural settings, a woman from the west. khaki pants and a t-shirt. i was in the northern india. i visited a health clinic. i went into a village. i was talking with a woman. by the time i was finished, i had one last question. what hope do you have? she looked down for a long time. she cast her eyes down. i thought, i have asked something inappropriate. she said, the truth is, i have no hope. i have no hope for feeding this child or that one, or educating them. please, take them home with you. when that happened, it was not the first time, it is heartbreaking. to see a woman who clearly loves her sons that much, but to know they would big better off going home with a stranger, that is heartbreaking. that is the story of many women and families around the world.

and lunch motivate me there are days when i wish i had someone. i don't mention me seen it on chi but there's no one. place i often feel like that here. then i turn inward and ask myself why do i feel this way is this. my absence i'm cut block that i couldn't escape or the kind of loneliness i felt to present it was so overpowering that i couldn't avoid confronting it like it was. going to get me when i am at peace with myself i don't feel anything the same way anymore. then i was myself and it's ok. and some credit was offered for i associate learning this with shame which. is something i don't like to reveal. when i was asked to appear in this film my 1st thought was i don't want to tell anybody that i'm lonely serious crime. when all he can moved away from berlin 5 years ago she dreamed of belonging to a community of friends in the countryside. you're. just going and i know i'm a single parent i live in this house with my son you he who is 11. back to school i like the house i like the words i like lots of things here and i haven't regretted the

. >> i remember growing up, i knew you had been married to him. i only knew him as the guy that shook mickey mouse's hand. a lot of people can't understand how -- >> i know they can't. >> -- you would have been attracted to him. >> well, coming from di cicco who beat me up and constantly put me down. to have this genius which he was, think i was extraordinary and wonderful. it just gave me a big lift, you know? >> together. quiet, please. quiet. >> i think my mother admired his art tremendously. and i was born when he was 68. and he lived until 95. he was conducting and recording until he died. >> i wanted a father so i married stokowski. and got a father in a way, you know. >> wait for the quartisimo. ♪ >> and i think my father could see that she had incredible insights into the world. just the possibilities, the fun of it, you know? my mom told me a story about them traveling across the country driving with a trailer in the back. it doesn't sound like anything they would do. ♪ >> and we were together for around 12 years. and like this, we saw ver

i had to wrestle with my faith and say, what do i believe in? i believe in saving lives so this is the right thing to do. find sometimes, someone would say, take my child. melinda: more than once. , ifarned from warren's wife you can go in anonymously, i a woman from the west. i was in the northern india. i visited a health clinic read i went into a village. by the time i was finished, i had one last question. what hope do you have? for a long time. she cast her eyes down. i thought, i had as something inappropriate. she said, the truth is, i have no hope. i have no hope for feeding this child or that one. or educating them. please, take them home with you. it was notappened, the first time, it was heartbreaking. to see a woman who clearly loves her sons that much but to know big better off going home with a stranger, that is heartbreaking. have a letter written by the foundation, you end bill. originally it was written by bill. to getll said, i want women's issues in, what did he say? melinda: the idea came from warren and we both thought that

but i still had some. , i met alex and his wife, and a very quickly they changed that whole perception that i had. welcome to our house, of ancient ethiopian people. wow. i became a rasta man as a teenager, you know, when i saw bob, bob marley, in france, i was so amazed. you know? by his performance on stage. sure. he touched me, and changed my life. touched you inside, in the heart? yeah. i discovered who i was, you know? he gave me a sense of dignity. what is a real rasta man? a real rasta man is a faithful servant of the almighty, jah. someone who tries his best to live a righteous life. jah is god, yeah? to love his next. his neighbour? to fulfil the will of god on earth. so it's not about smoking ganja and listening to bob marley? i am not a smoker, to tell you the truth. not all rasta will smoke ganja. you have rasta who don't smoke. one of my biggest loves is music. i have always loved music because i can connect with it. i don't need to see, i don't need to hear. i can feel the rhythm. music is bea

from i know if i may have had a wife and. it wasn't as it did she still want to bet she might only shoot. him left on those demos lest hello how did the feeling of her come. in and i mean that i must. look up something up and down and talk about it and. then type nothing but the best thing i got to me. i'm not going up i don't even know i'm going on no you don't get up and i put on the book i got it i get. it i have cut off my daughter not that i know nothing about the fun of it . how can i ask you about how to tell a lot of people over the net i don't know how long it's going to go watch out i've . got a lot of money a problem is that i'm not going to buy a house and i don't have the clout to go with that but again i'm not going to how would i spend it now you get a washing machine. that had to make a list i had and the letter got a letter and got one like i was that big but the ability that had been that she had a lot of the time that i was not enough never to dominate the machine but i'm going to get that. and on the top of

i actually had a greater sense of freedom than i did in the weeks prior to my incarceration when i hadellie here was a biker, but he wasn't the type of biker that i grew up around. he was a football guy. he was a college guy. he wasn't a racist. he had had a much more well-rounded life than i'd had. he basically broke down all the ideals that i'd come to believe in and was fighting for and thought i was right in, and it's not a real way to live. how you doing, man? it's good to see you, brother. how's the programming going, man? >> ah, good. >> do you know what kind of services you're going to be doing? >> oh, for sure, military bits. >> ptsd-type stuff? >> what's up, buddy? what you doing? yes, you are. oh, yes, you are. when i got into the dog programs, it was more than i expected. what i realized is that i feel love and concern for this animal right here, but i don't feel that way toward the other people around me, and that's a problem. you know, it made me address it, you know, so for me, that was my a-ha moment. you know, you know, a lot of the programs they come into from the out

i could have, but i had too much pride. at i could do it on my own, that i could get through it on my own. and you cannot. there are many people out there. i understand and realise that there is so much help out there and so many beautiful people and the cricket players association here and their partners in australia, sorry, in england, are absolutely magnificent. the worst of it all, robin, was when you were disowned by your own children. that's the worst, when all you want in your life is to be a great father and i dedicated my life to being as good a father and is fair as i could and i had a great relationship with my children. which was temporarily destroyed. it was, yeah. my wife, kathy, at the time, was in england and i drank too much stupidly and went and picked up my daughter from school, ran over a little bump and she said, "dad, stop the car, you've been drinking, stop the car." she got her way home and on the way back i was done for drink and driving. you became a slave to alcohol, you were ashamed, disgusted and

i had a great boss. a very ethical man who ran the office john dansworth and i met great great people at that office >> so you left the attorney general because the compensation was a little low. you went to monsanto. and john danforth gets elected to the senate. and he offers you a position. so you decide to come to washington? >> well, that's a good progression. but what happened was, he got elected when i was still in the attorney general's office. john ashcroft becomes attorney general. it was time for me to leave. i had been there two and a half years. and it's one of those burnout jobs. then i -- i went to monsanto. i was there. i decided on my 31st birthday in creighton, missouri that i was going to leave because i was beginning to make too much money and i was beginning to be comfortable there. i quit my job. and lo and behold i get this cal -- this is the wrong order to do it. you normally get a job and then you quit a job. not me. i was impetuous. i get a call from john dan forth asking me fi wo

i had a little bit of savings. that into hundreds of thousands of dollars and then put the money on a property in idaho. and i realized around that time that we didn't have much competition. so i took whatever money i had and went to peru and bolivia and mexico and i would put down options on these properties. after a certain. of time, i found i had as interesting a portfolio of option properties as any existing silver company. i knew even though i wasn't ready for prime time, even though the story was a little bit flaky and delusional, a new york type with no background in engineering or geology starting a mining company, i kept it low-key, but i was introduced to george soros. he and his brother paul invested in me. david: how old were you? thomas: i was 32, 33. david: you were married then? thomas: i was engaged. david: did your fiancee say what do you do for a living? thomas: no, no. she was instrumental in the entire process. when i had the vision of buying silver mines, it was in the middle of the night and s

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i do nothing i had to fight. times it requires getting -- gettinges because it right mina taken longer, but things can go faster. we were on the same page. now i am able to shoot a copy to her much quicker because we had the conversation. she can do a quick edit and the story gets shipped off instead of us explaining things to each other. that made a ton of difference. kimberly: erica, can you talk about the lessons that newsrooms elsewhere around the country can take from the l.a. times' experience covering the story to how we can cover communities of color, communities that we live communities that we live in, don't live in, or even cover big events where we have that sense, like, you know what, there is more to this but maybe i do not know what? erica: yeah, i think there is a big deal made out of diversity, and we want to hire journalists of color or queer journalists. what often happens, and i say this as someone who was on the reporting or columnist side until recently, what ends up happening is you hire peo

so, i had to dig out a lot of stuff that nobody had ever heard. lee: and doing it while you are kind of teaching yourself how to be a podcaster on the fly. laura: [laughs] oh, yes. and i still do not know a lot about making a podcast. lee: really? you have a knack for it. the flip end, martin, you are a trained surgeon. i sort of wonder, one, where do you find the time and energy to write three books, two of which we have mentioned, but the third about your aunt, that we were talking about earlier. how did you develop the reporting tools? because one of these things is interesting about "the price we pay" is it is not spoken from on high, policy voice. this is a lot of on-the-ground reporting. what led you to do it that way? dr. markary: i realize that there is a lot i do not know about journalism, and it is a humbling moment when a surgeon says, "hey, i have no idea what i am doing here." i had that moment, so i have been talking to so many journalists over the years about their stories and research, and i was fascinated by the fact that you can h

so that was a peculiar experience that i had. very was built actually to become a hospital for the invasion. of course we didn't know it at the time and i didn't know a lot of the stuff until i researched it later. it did become a hospital right after we left, within 24 hours. as a matter of fact. and they took in some of the d-day people that were wounded. but all of our training was up in the moors, except we had one practice for d-day. name of- i forgot the it, but that's the trouble when you get older. [laughter] it was an exercise in an area of england along the coast that supposedly looked very much like where we were going to land on utah beach. they moved all the people out in the area so we could use live fire in our attack. and we went through that exercise. interesting enough the germans commotions that were going on and got their u-boats and attacked the end of the column and destroyed three or four of the ships. around 800 men were killed. soldiers, butd before -- i can't remember now. i know it by heart, but -- see i

i had very little training. overall there's very little training for doctors and health care professionals on important condition. and it is something that hopefully this report will address. it is down to the government, down to guidelines, down to the department of health. you think it has to change, do you? one lecture in five years is not acceptable, is it? it is nowhere near enough. i am thinking about what training means and what is the audience for that training? katie emphasised her experience. but also across the board, from schools to university, to health care professionals on the front line, to a&e doctors, period persons etc. — — front line, to a&e doctors, period persons etc. —— paediatricians. front line, to a&e doctors, period persons etc. -- paediatricians. what about trying to get a referral for more expertise? it is very difficult. numerous visits to the gp. numerous assessments. before they could even consider i was at they could even consider i was at the threshold they need. that was to do

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>> it was amongst the hardest jobs i ever had in my life. was the most important thing i ever did. for 18 months, i staff to president the way i thought a president should be staffed. presenting him options, getting experts with him to talk. that's what chief of staff does. that was vitally important. for 18 months i was there. we staffed the president very effectively. david: was it the hardest job you ever had? the most memorable job? the most enjoyable? or just another interesting job? john: it was very hard but very meaningful. not very enjoyable. staffing the president of the united states, you are trying to bring together the white house staff in the entire federal government to help him make the kind of decisions, economic, social, life and death wartime decisions. david: in washington, people often stab you in the back. sometimes they stab you in the front. that is the job at the chief of staff is said to have. you get criticized by everybody. do you feel that the criticism , did you get used to it? john: i wasn't used to -- one of t

it was really frustrating, because i knew i had it. i knew it was the right type of tick. it had been on for at least21i hours. it was from an area where i knew other people had got lyme disease previously. i'd got the bull's—eye rash, which is supposed to be diagnostic. so, it was frustrating, yes. getting a diagnosis of lyme disease can be a complicated business. morven—may maccallum fell ill suddenly when she was iii. she says it changed her life. i was hugely into mountain biking, horse riding... i'd go up munros at the weekend. i was in training for climbing up the mountain, morven, up in caithness. and, you know, iwasjust... i was one of these really annoying people who never, ever stopped! i just kept going. i wasjust... i just bounced everywhere. all that changed when what started off feeling like the flu became more serious. i'd fall asleep in the school bus, and i would come home and i'd just collapse in a heap on the couch, and... ..i literally got up, went to school and collapsed in utter exhaustion each day. and it got to t

i had five carrot pieces and a bag of m&ms. i am fired up. i had the peanut m&ms. there is little protein in there. i know you folks have been thinking and working hard about this issue. i wanted to be honest. i wanted to come here and be sincere. i hope youanation -- and i spun asian. explanation. it has to be some kind of record. how can it be legitimate? peter was talking about academics. is not really challenge anybody's idea of what our lives are like. how can someone think about the same thing for that long? you do think if about something that long, do you learn from it? that is what i want to talk to you about today. it took a long time to get to that. the thing i am talking about is the value of the shadow project. which i mentioned as a book. a very traditional book. to get away from the computers i have used for my scholarship in the 1980's. it seemed for a brief moment it was a good idea to count stuff and fear of patterns. i have done that in the 1980's. 1990's, computers were. behind us i had an idea for a modest book. i wanted to study just two counti

but when i had it, it was very dramatic. i found out i was like locked in bathrooms for too long because i could not turn the door handle all of a sudden. it made writing my first book lmost a nightmare. i had to have a double arm cast at a human crusade. tried to replicate research notes by reciting it into a computer. i often had a double arm cast on. i look at that as a very dark, very comical time of my life. brian: when was your last book published? ate: 2013. "blessed" his think of the prosperity gospel. it was the first historical account of this really widespread movement. it took me 10 years of obsessive research and stalking people to map the kind of contours of it. it was really hard to study at the time because nobody called themselves a "prosperity preacher." so you cannot do like an easy survey. will all the prosperity preachers in the room please put up your hands? because it sounded so naturally insulting to assume they were not just preaching the gospel. brian: i want to ask you about this man. this is about

i had to think back through all the maps that we had had and i realized that i had to be on this particular beach and i knew exactly where we had to go. i knew where i was. so, now i was oriented. i looked down the beach and i saw tanks driving second forth from the water to the dunes. they too were protecting infantrymen from the dreadful fire on the right, because the tanks would drive down to the water's edge, the men would climb out, use the tanks for shields and get up to the dunes where they would be safe. then the tanks would back up. there were three or four doing this about 200 yards away from me. , and there my left was an lci landing craft introductory -- landing craft infantry coming in. at that point, a man with a flamethrower was hit by artillery and the whole lci burst into flame as the jelly gasoline spread all over the pace. most of the men cut off that thing unscathed, but quite a few died in the fire on the gangways. at that point, i knew where i was, new what i had to do, and the first thing i did then was to locate major sullivan who was in the next day to meet of the 1

time and i also had draft status at the time so it so happens i received a letter in the bottom of ittimate documents that went out. anyway, it was calling me into the service at the same day that i would have been an induction agent into the draft. >> for those of you that don't know the history, that would be general arnold went on to become the first chief of the united states air force. >> i was stationed twice during my career but you have to travel back to the south and be reintroduced to the racism and bigotry that her father had taken your family out. i had after two years moving to new york at 2-years-old, i don't think i was anywhere near west of the river at tha the time, bt anyway, i got on the train at pennsylvania station downtown new york near some of the neighborhood kids i grew up with a lee went as far as washington, d.c. and the train stopped in washington to change engines that came back and said you have to go to the front car. my parents had warned me about this and told me what it would be like and that is where i had to go. they said we are going to go up there

i recall reading the newspaper every morning with my dad. we had two when i lived in california. we took the orange county register and the l.a. times. the "l.a. times" had paul conrad. the register had jeff mcnally. he was working for the richmond times at the time. it ran his cartoons. we had this morning ritual where we would have breakfast, he would read the l.a. times first and halfway through, we would swap papers. i was aware of political cartoons and i loved political cartoons. and i loved paul conrad dark images. they were moving and they had deep messages. i think paul -- i think jeff took that a step further with his wonderful sense of humor that i think extended the reach of the cartoon by reaching a much larger audience with a message with the humor. and so, like any other reader, i loved looking at the political cartoons but i never in my life envisioned being a political cartoonist. i stumbled into it by accident. brian: we're going to show a whole bunch of cartoons from your new book. before we do that, this is your what book? michael: my second book. brian: this c

i know we had gone for days and days without sleep. and i remember getting that sleep. >> can you tell me again about alexander putting you on the 57 and how many people you saw killed there? elmo: i'm sorry? >> can you just go back and describe when you were on the 57 millimeter again? because i did not have audio for that. elmo: well, it had no sight, so we had to line and on the target, whatever we thought represented the trajectory. then we loaded it and fired real quick. the 57 was not very valuable after it knocked the tread off of that tank. that brought the assault to a halt. and from that point on, the air tank gun was minor. the mortar played a big role because i had a mortar set up, i had dug it in so that the site was above ground, and i could aim at the target. during the german withdrawal, as they were confined to the width of that causeway, and i saw humanity for a long stretch down there. i would drop a mortar in there, and change the ammunition and drop another one in. i did that until we got down to where there was onl

i knew i had it. ifound a really frustrating. i knew i had it. i found a tick on me into really frustrating. i knew i had it. ifound a tick on me into it really frustrating. i knew i had it. i found a tick on me into it was the right type, been on for at least 2a hours, from an area i knew people had got lyme disease previously. i got the bull's—eye rash which is supposed to be diagnostic. so it was frustrating. getting a diagnosis of lyme disease can be a complicated business. marvin fell ill suddenly wish he was 1a. she says it changed her life. there's usually mountain biking, horse riding, iwas her life. there's usually mountain biking, horse riding, i was in training for climbing. the mountain at cape ness. i was one of these really annoying people who never stop. ijust kept going and going i bounced everywhere. all that changed when what started off feeling like the flu became more serious.” when what started off feeling like the flu became more serious. i would come home and i collapse on the c

it was the first time i had ever played golf. ere was one person who was more physically inept with a golf club than i was. i was leaning down to putt, and suddenly i heard ronald reagan coaching me and it was paul. he is an amazing impersonator. i hooked him up with the rush limbaugh show. so now he is doing the rush limbaugh show. so paul, every once in a while, i would get him to record my answering machine and do different voices. i made the mistake once of giving him my code to the answering machine. i actually had to get rid of that answering machine. in the middle of the night, he would change my messages and that created all kinds of problems. in fact, on sundays, when i was doing u.s. today for mondays, paul and i would get together to talk about parities and skits for his songs. when i am starting to draw my cartoon, i get focused and ignore everything. unbeknownst to me, paul would answer my telephone as me. later in the day, i would have friends calling me back asking me what kinds of medications i was on because i was

i really had them in mind when i wrote it.lking to them and saying, look, you know, i know he was a workaholic, and i was very devoted to my career. but look at the good that came out. it was revealing myself to them in the way i'd like to be seen by them and at the end of the day my first two books caused them a lot of pain. they were too revealing. it was too raw. it was also me trying to just kind of be this outrageous maniac. it was too forced and it was -- i don't know what i was going for there. but this book i hold up as like this is who i am. >> my -- i told you my dad wrote a book. he did some public radio in 1976. they restored it, put it online and sent me an email and said, you know, you can listen to this and i clicked on it in my office and it was the first time i'd heard my dad's voice since i was 10 years old since he died. i couldn't remember what he sounded like so i was thinking about this, not only -- for your daughters and your grand kids and great grand kids ultimately to be able to even hear your voice o

paul's school -- at school was that i had the talent if i applied it. i had to work hard. david: how much of your realization you could apply yourself to succeed, even your desire to do that, came from your mother? how much from the school and how much from your peers? dan: that's so interesting. definitely my mom was the big example. she went back to school around the age of 30 or 31 to the local college, townsend college, and went to school at night and on the weekend in summers. it took her three or four years to get her ba, at least. she was the first in her family to go to college. it was a big deal. at the same time, i think my parents both left it to me and to my sister to create our own education. they weren't hovering. they didn't know what my homework was. they were supportive had high standards, and it was up to me. i think that is one of the lessons you get from that kind of upbringing, is that each of us has a responsibility to create our education. it's not a gift. you can't buy it. you can't order it on amazon. it is something you create with your actions, y

i knew that when i came to ethiopia, one of the places that i had to visit was lalibela. s, you know what these mean to the people. i thought, i just had to come here. when i landed in lalibela airport it was a bit confusing. normally i have the assistance, take me through the airport. a guy who works van eyck took me through the airport outside, handed me onto another guide. at first i thought he was a couch surfer. i started walking with him, he wasn't saying much. i started to get a little bit concerned. a couch surfer, yeah? and i started asking questions, like, are you my couch surfer? he took me to the bus and he said, get on. itake surfer? he took me to the bus and he said, get on. i take your luggage. yeah, that's fine. i was going to ask the bus driver to call the numberi ask the bus driver to call the number i had. and then abedi showed up. ok, welcome, tony. nice to see you, yes. it all got sort of cleared up. so it was a bit concerning. almost kidnapped, not quite. would have been a better story if i had been. we are almost nearby lalibela. just minutes to arri