i don't regret loving him. i don't regret still loving him. lways carry that man in my heart. i love him so much. >> reporter: as for frances, she said she does regret her decision to make a u-turn that october evening. >> it was my choice that i turned around. and for that i am so remorseful. and i will live with that for the rest of my life. >> reporter: but frances says, make no mistake, there's only one love story here. the 32-year marriage of frances and bill hall. >> i pity her because she has to continue living and looking for the right man. i've had the best man in my life. i will never love another man like i loved bill. once you have the best, no looking back. >> reporter: except for he cheated on you. >> he had this much bad, but he had this much good. and he might have done what he did, but i know he loved me. call me ignorant. call me stupid. but i loved bill hall jr. till the day i die. >>> that's all for this edition of "dateline." i'm craig melvin. thank you for watching. >>> we have some breaking news at this hour, moments ago

>> i do trust him, yeah. now, will i come back to you in a year and you'll be interviewing and i'll say, gee i made a mistake? that's always possible. you know, we're dealing at a very high level, a lot of things can change, a lot of things are possible. he trusts me, i believe, i really do. he said no other president could have done this. i think he trusts me, and i trust him.

[laughter] and every day, i would add, if anyone has seen him -- i would ask if anyone had seen him. i met him one day, and he told me, no. he would not come to my school. but i saw another player on the team. and he said, sure. i will come. so i brought him to frederick douglass high school. everyone was stunned, including my teacher. and i got an a in the class. [laughter] i share this story with you, to share a few lessons that i learned in my pursuit of what i wanted most at the age of 16. that was to have a georgia tech basketball player come to my school. first lesson i learned to be summed up by a quote from nelson mandela, "it always seems impossible until it is done." i know that many of you are experiencing that feeling today. it probably seemed impossible when he got to the campus of georgia tech. but here you are today. so congratulations to you. [applause] the other lesson i learned was one that my father taught me. what is the worst i can happen, someone can tell you know, then what have you lost? well, that basketball player told me no. but his teammate told me yes. so

i spoke to him pretty regularly. i e-mailed pretty regularly with him. elf as an intimate friend. i regard myself as a friend. but i'm beginning to suspect he didn't have many intimate friends. he once said he has a lot of good friends for one week. and i think that's part of his performative self, there's this person that has to keep busy because there's another person that maybe he's even hiding from himself. >> that happens when you're on the road. you know that right? you have these i think anderson put it probably more distinctly than any of us who have been correspondents and traveled, when i was a correspondent for nbc news, i would come home from a long trip and my doorman would know who i was, and i'd walk in -- i understand it's sort of an existence you are on the road, you have your experiences with the crew and with whatever story you're doing and then you come back and everyone's life, their lives have kept moving around you or past you and you haven't been there to experience it. >> and he was on a crazy schedule. >> do you understand that n

masayoshi: so i am not bothering him. i am just so impressed and respect him, i want to see him.nd if you tell him that i am not going to bother him, his time, his money. i am not going to damage his life, he actually asked, he said, ok. actually, he spent 15 minutes with me, talking face-to-face. david: he gave you some advice, which was to learn -- masayoshi: yeah, i asked him what business should i do? hmm, computer. that is the one. if i were you at your age at this time, you know, this is, don't look at the past industries. look at the future industries. that is the one, the computer industry. that is the one you should focus on. if i were you, that is the one, so i said, wow, great. david: ok. so, he gave you that advice, you were number one in your class and you go to university of california at berkeley. when you were there you were not being a student so much, but doing business on the side. masayoshi: well, i was a good student. but i said, five minutes i would allow, other than study. i have to make money. i want to earn $10,000 per month. and i would allow me, myself,

i interviewed him. i found him. ey sprayed bullets into it and some mother, i did not share the story for a long time, some other had tucked a baby -- everybody was killed, they thought. it was a famous photograph. she kept a little two-year-old baby protected. about 10 minutes after they've done the shooting, they were having lunch, sitting around the ditch. this little boy crawled up to the top of the ditch screaming and began to run away when he got to the top. the lieutenant said to paul meadlo, barely got through high school -- the army lowered its standards quickly in the war because they did not want bright kids there because they would talk about what was going on. i say that sereriously. serious. that w was mcnamara. he was a psychototic liar. ananay, so thihis kid is runnig awaway and callie e says to mem, plug him. he couldn't do it. so callie shot him. this baby. amy: i want to turn to private first class paul meadlo speaking about his involvement in the my lai massacre. in 1 1969, he spokoke toto cbs's m

i gave him the medal. beamed and he showed it to all the nurses and said the last time i saw him was a time when this whole circle was closed and he could feel that the choice had been redeemed in some way. but it was a very comforting thing to remember about the last time you see your parent. >> charles talked to me a lot about his dad. a lot of different conversations. but getting him to talk about his wife robin and his son daniel, that was more of a struggle. his relationship with robin, i mean, it is a true love story. they meet in oxford. she is from australia, a brilliant lawyer. he then goes to the states, to harvard medical school and she comes after his accident. their son daniel is a terrific young man. just amazing person. getting charles to talk about either of them was tough. >> i'm not going to talk about that. >> okay. >> when dan was born, i wrote a column about his birth. and it was a good column. and it was nice. and then when he was 1, i wrote one on his first birthday. and then i reali

had him on the show and i did not agree with him. i challenged him on it. i don't remember thinking, this is the big guy. we had of, a scuffle back and forth. he liked that. he wanted to challenge everybody that he was talking to. it was always in such a kindhearted way. i always thought that when you listen to charles and you hear him out, and listen to what he had to say, you would think, yeah, charles is right. [laughter] i'm going to bring in dana perino who is joining us on the phone. good evening to you. >> thank you, martha, i've had a chance to be on this on the ph. i remember reading him every friday. no matter what. it was the first thing that i went to and i did not bother with the front page even when i was press editor i didn't care what was on the first page. i wanted to see what charles had written. i remember exactly when i read it. it was about 5:45 in the morning and i would be reading it before he took me to the white house. we would go back and forth and say, did you see how charles smoked him today? whoever it was that charles was going

i really miss him. that his legacy is going to live on not just here but a lot of places. >> for the folks at home, we should mention that that special will air tomorrow night, 9:00 p.m. here on the fox news channel. you know, bret, everybody talks about who charles krauthammer was as a writer, commentator and opinion maker. tell us what you know because you spent more time with him, probably, than anybody here at fox news about charles krauthammer, the person. >> >> he had amazing sense of humor and at the commercial break would crack us all up. his dry humor, you heard it in one liners, we will string together a bunch of them for our kicker maybe tomorrow. but he also had just an appreciation of people and their -- what they were going through. he was one of the first people who reached out to me when my son had open heart surgery. and after that, every single time he had some medical issue, charles was the first one to check in wanted a specific diagnosis what the doctors were saying. as a doctor him

i saw him, i walked up to him. nd i think you are such a talented person. he's like, thank you, i think you're really funny, i saw with you chris rock and all that. i was like thank you, thank you. sow i just want to tell you something. he's like, what? i said, i want a hit. he's like what? i said, i want to hit that, i ain't talking about drugs. [ laughter ] [ cheers and applause ] he was like, oh, you're hilarious. and i was like no, there's stipulations to it, though. i want to get some, but i only want to do it to you as your character out of "what's eating gilbert grape?" [ laughter ] >> jimmy: so he would be in character? >> yes, yes, he would be arnie. he's like, what, why, why? i was like, i like my men a little weak. [ laughter ] also i feel like you did an amazing, an amazing job. i think you did an excellent performance and i feel like you cheers and applause ] >> jimmy: and did that work? >> he started laughing and he started going into, you know -- like, i worked with these kids for two weeks, working w

i thank him for giving me life because i'm here today and i wish one day i can meet him again and i give him a hug and i say i forgive you for everything >> how did you get such a deep faith in god? >> i grew up in a christian family. there is something like i always so happy to talk about when it comes to my faith. i talk about it on social media. i never been afraid. i always ask god since i was a little boy i was like i want-- i was like god please use me for your glory, so when the world see me they don't see me, but they see your glory through me and i do want to get any credit for what i have done. it's all because of him. it's all god's grace and god's love and my mom-- my uncle used to like take me to church and like i remember when i was a young man because i used to sell like potter on the streets like a bag of water like 10 cents each and i would try to come out like all day. just like two or three bucks a day and i would get like two or three bucks a day and i would get half and then went to my church and went to my pastor. this is for god and i would give half so i just grew

his pollster, i think, wanted him to. i believe nancy wanted him to. always thought he was terrific in front of the camera. the red light goes on, he's perfect. david: reagan wins the election. what do you think you will be offered, if anything? james: i don't think. i don't know. i had heard that my name had been surfaced as a potential white house chief of staff. i said, that's not possible. you don't go to somebody who is has run two campaigns against you and make him your white house chief of staff. guess what? i don't think it will ever happen again. not the way we are going today anyway. , david: ronald reagan did offer you the job. james: he did. david: you became chief of staff of the white house. was it as much fun doing the job as it later is talking about it? james: the worst job in government. i tell everybody that. i tell the people who have been nominated for that job or appointed to the job, you have got the worst job in government. because you are right at the intersection of politics and policy. for me, it was even worse because i was i

so i first came to admire him in 1977 are on orange tuesday of 1977, and then i heard about him when he ran for office as the first out man to run for significant office. there were two lesbians who had been elected that he was the first gay man elected into political office and then of course i heard about him during the fight against the initiative in 1978. the initiative battle was beautifully organized up and down the state, but harvey was the face of much of it and his debates with sally and on television was brilliant and memorable. he was the one the media often came to, so i knew about him for that. and then i was shocked and saddened as all of us were when he was assassinated, and infuriated as all of us were when dan white got something like seven years in eight montht months and only served about five years because of the defense his lawyers managed to argue he wasn't himself. he had sugar poisoning because he was so upset about losing his job that he had twinkies and coca-cola. and of course i knew about the white light riot that followed it and that's about all i knew ab

and i said to him, so, what did you do? said i would just sit in my study -- or stand later because of his back. in my study sometimes for six weeks, eight weeks, six months at a time trying to write "american pastoral" and i couldn't get it off the ground. and i said what allowed you to crack that open? i think it was after his bypass surgery where he thought he might die, he said i took the pages out and i held the folder and i opened it, and i said to myself, now don't panic. i think the idea of phillip roth who wrote 30 novels, some of the greatest american novels ever written, panicking about having to face the blankness of a page, for me that was -- it tells you how deep he had to dig and what a torment the work was. >> that was remarkable story considering that was the book that got him the pulitzer prize. i want to move on to the politics of both of them. in a way, tom wolfe's "bonfire of the vanities" was a precurser to the excesses, the arrogance of the heady financial '80s in wall street, manhattan but to an exte

i can call him. >> i went there, i gave him considerable ty. i think it is great to give him credibility. >> he solved the problem. do you see -- do you believe that at all? >> i don't believe -- i believe we're better off today than we were two years ago. >> solved the problem is much further than we -- >> when the nuclear weapons are gone, when the regime stops threatening its -- the world and killing its own people, we solved the problem. we're not there yet. i hope we can be. the problem is not solved until they give up their weapons. >> when do words matter? that's what i ask? words will matter a lot to kim jong-un. the words matter that were on the communique for kim jong-un. when do words matter here? >> here is where we're at. this is going to end really well or really badly. the status quo is over. can you imagine what would happen if kim jong-un went to his old way of doing business? trump would have to attack. he's put himself if a box, both of them have. the worst thing kim jong-un could do is tell trump to his face i'm going to give

i gave him the medal. med and he showed it to all the nurses and said the last time i saw him was a time when this whole circle was closed and he could feel that the choice had been redeemed in some way. but it was a very comforting thing to remember about the last time you see your parent. >> charles talked to me a lot about his dad. a lot of different conversations. but getting him to talk about his wife robin and his son daniel, that was more of a struggle. his relationship with robin, i mean, it is a true love story. they meet in oxford. she is from australia, a brilliant lawyer. he then goes to the states, to harvard medical school and she comes after his accident. their son daniel is a terrific young man. just amazing person. getting charles to talk about either of them was tough. >> i'm not going to talk about that. >> okay. >> when dan was born, i wrote a column about his birth. and it was a good column. and it was nice. and then when he was 1, i wrote one on his first birthday. and then i realized

i believe that he wants to get it done. >> you trust him? >> i do trust him, yeah. now, will i come back to you in a year and you'll be interviewing and i'll say, gee, i made a mistake. that's always possible. we're dealing at a very high level. a lot of things can change. a lot of things are possible. he trusts me, i believe. i really do. he said openly and he said it to a couple of reporters that were with him that he knows that no other president ever could have done this. i mean no other -- he knows the presidents. he knows who we had in front of me. he said no other president could have done this. i think he trusts me and i trust him. >> ronald reagan said trust but verify. >> yeah. >> how do you verify this commitment? >> we'll be verifying and we'll be working with them and it's going to be much more open than it is right now. right now it's obviously very closed. it's a closed society. we know very little about -- you know, if you ask intelligence, they will tell you probably they know less about this area of the world than they do any place anywhere in the w

i told him, i give him a very direct number. mmunication. it is a very good thing. people are shocked, they thought trump was going to get in and he would start throwing bombs all over the place. it's the opposite but we are building a military so strong, $716 billion, we're building a military so strong body will mess with us. but you know what, i never want to have to use it. so, what, i never want to have to use it. 50, gary, he has solved that problem. that was quite an extraordinary moment this morning julian, you walked out of the white house straight onto the set of fox and friends, the morning show on the fox network. he spent half an hour with them and as if that was not enough he had another hour and half with waiting journalists, so he spent about 50 minutes with journalists today. his topics ranged from north korea, as we have mentioned, through the james comey investigation, through our whole slew of topics, freewheeling really. thank you gary 0'donoghue. paul manna fought was accused of tampering with witnesses, the

i know. i've met him a few times, and i invited him in 2017 to speak at night investor conference, and -- ad a small conference small dinner. i have a lot of respect for him. president thate john brennan was instrumental in rolling back and executing a lot of the antiterrorist campaigning programs inside and outside the united states after 9/11. he saved legions of american lives and innocent citizens abroad. but this has happened to me, unfortunately, to ma peo we get our egos into the situation, get our ire up. i hope that stops. i do think the war declaration on the media is not helping the president. i said that to him personally and have no problem saying it on c-span. he is better than that and bigger than that. for 15 years, he was a television star. there's no reason he can't come on c-span or be reinterviewed by lester holt or a major news outlet. when i think people will see itut the president is that is way more a moderating voice than what is being pigeonholed and described by director brennan. listen, we are in a rightand-tumble country now as it relates to our politics. in a way

he was very heavily mixed on drugs i personally. know him to be very violent i have seen him is glee beat up his brother he's lied to me about several different occasions he's been a bitch or why i think he believes his own months i was actually standing next to sarah and. when i said we're going to put your dad to way for amber it was it was like it was planned these witnesses were never called in the original trial and wallowed believes they could have changed the verdict. are you comfortable talking about what happened that that you know you really don't remember much of it at all what part do you remember i remember the gun going off and him leaving the house and then that's pretty much it i was in my little rebellious stage when i lived in florida and then switching to watch everything on a change and i kind of cleaned up my act and everything what was he like you know that's. my question and he was really cocky and really strong headed stubborn and this was such a long time ago and i've haven't really thought about him in a while in th

i gave him the medal. he showed it to all the nurses and said the last time i saw him was a time when this whole circle was closed and he could feel that the choice had been redeemed in some way. but it was a very comforting thing to remember about the last time you see your parent. >> charles talked to me a lot about his dad. a lot of different conversations. but getting him to talk about his wife robin and his son daniel, that was more of a struggle. his relationship with robin, i mean, it is a true love story. they meet in oxford. she is from australia, a brilliant lawyer. he then goes to the states, to harvard medical school and she comes after his accident. their son daniel is a terrific young man. just amazing person. getting charles to talk about either of them was tough. >> i'm not going to talk about that. >> okay. >> when dan was born, i wrote a column about his birth. and it was a good column. and it was nice. and then when he was 1, i wrote one on his first birthday. and then i realized i'm neve

i forgive him. it's been many, many years. and if i did not forgive him, i wouldn't have peace. have my peace. >> and a new purpose. the last 14 years have changed andrea and the world around her. she's okay with that. in fact, she embraces it. >> do you consider yourself part of what everybody calls the me too movement? the moment that we're having in this culture? >> well, i think, yes, but i'm just proud of everything that has unfolded in the past couple of years. especially the past year. because we will hold people accountable. we will teach consent. this is just getting started. so i'm glad to be a part of where it's going and the future of me too, times up, so yeah, i'm in. i'm in. >> that's all for now. i'm lester holt. thanks for joining us. >>> due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. >> you're a man. you're grown. we shouldn't have to do this. >> an inmate gets suspicious tax forms and becomes a problem for the jail. >> don't be treating me like i'm stupid or something. i don't got time to play these cat and mouse games. >>> a mu e

i frus him, i trust him, i triz headline. they're talking b about how he's saying he's going to stop the joint military exercises and that the united states should change its laws to show it's going to keep its end of the promise. does the u.s. need b to be tougher here and verify? >> the first thing that strikes me is i'm shocked sitting here. i'm not sure what you want for this president. but look, this guy has done something that is historical and that's bringing these people to the table to talk about denuclearization of the peninsula. i've talkeded to the president numerous times. i'm tell iing you he is not goi glasses. he knows what verification is. he knows the problems he had with the iran deal and he is absolutely committed to get airtight verification on this. in addition to that, he and the vice president, the secretary of state have all told me they're going submit it to the united states senate for a treaty ratification. we are going to see there's verification if we get to an agreement. >> i don't need to go th

i love him, and i will vote for him. thank you, and i love c-span. host: can you compare what happened in the last 11 hours to the early stages of the ira nuclear deal? guest: more when we mentioned president trump and president obama, more of the way president obama came into office for stop his first inaugural speech he said we will reach out our hand to anyone that willleeir fist. he was looking for the detente trumpresident delivered. in a funny way obama and trump working together, if you take a big enough historical sweep. obama laid out the vision. he wasn't able to find a formula. kim jong-un wasn't the leader of north korea when obama began his presidency. it was his father. by as already weakened stroke. the process didn't get momentum earinhe obama years. ere we were in history. trump has found a moment to test this proposition that obama reached, that we should out a hand to a country that might unclench its fist. we are a long way from any firm peace prize, any troop reduction in the north korean threat. let's not do too many celebration

i know. i've met him a few times, and i invited him in 2017 to speak at night investor conference, and -- ad a small conference small dinner. i have a lot of respect for him. president thate john brennan was instrumental in rolling back and executing a lot of the antiterrorist campaigning programs inside and outside the united states after 9/11. he saved legions of american lives and innocent citizens abroad. but this has happened to me, unfortunately, to many people. we get our egos into the situation, get our ire up. i hope that stops. i do think the war declaration on the media is not helping the president. i said that to him personally and have no problem saying it on c-span. he is better than that and bigger than that. for 15 years, he was a television star. there's no reason he can't come on c-span or be reinterviewed by lester holt or a major news outlet. when i think people will see itut the president is that is way more a moderating voice than what is being pigeonholed and described by director brennan. listen, we are in a rightand-tumble country now as it relates to our politics. in

tim: i told him i will personally come to omaha to do tech support for him. david: you exposed your own personal life a bit. tim: i thought i was making the wrong call. david: why is it called the apple watch? and not the iwatch? tim: i like apple watch. david: well, you are the ceo, so. [laughter] >> would you fix your tie, please? david: well, people wouldn't recognize me if my tie was fixed, but ok. just leave it this way. all right. david: i don't consider myself a journalist. and nobody else would consider myself a journalist. i began to take on the life of being an interviewer even though i have a day job running a private equity firm. how do you define leadership? what is it that makes somebody tick? [applause] david: quite a reception you here. tim: i thought it was you. david: no, it is for you. you have now been the ceo of apple since july 2011. the earnings are up 80%. have you ever thought you can't do better than this and maybe you should just say, well, i have done a great job and i will do something else with my life? tim: we view the stock pric

him." who is saying i killed him? who is saying i nearly killed him? just did. >> you know what? it's like this -- i don't even remember half the [ bleep ] that happened that day. because when i came back, i got knocked out, too. he wasn't the only one that got knocked out. i got knocked out -- i'm more blacked out than knocked out, okay? all i remember is coming back and saying, what the [ bleep ] is going on around here, man? guys is everywhere. and i'm coming to. it's like when you wake up. i'm supposed to be your star graduate. okay. i'm supposed to be the one who you can say put his light on top of the christmas tree. he's going to shine. i'm always going to shine. i have the personality to shine. all i have to do is get my behavior in check, get my personality right, you know what i'm saying? i've got issues. [ bleep ] issues. >> you've been working so hard. and we were on track here. and then something so brutal happens here. it just doesn't fit right now. >> am i allowed a moment of relapse? >> oh, a moment, yeah. >> how can anyone make a stabil

like, i respect him. he's not a judgmental person at all. i would say he's my straight best friend. >> how's your day, shaquille? >> i don't know. just woke up. >> why didn't you wake me up? did you touch my feet again? >> yeah. >> i've known shaquille since seventh grade. he got a good heart. i'm proud to say that's my gay best friend. >> andrews is ending a sentence for marijuana and carrying a concealed weapon. >> that when they have balls. dude's like, hey, bro, i have strap for sale. want to buy it? what kind of strap? the .40. it was most beautifulest gun i've seen in my life. >> the gun may have been beautiful, but it was also hot. >> my lawyer was like, you have a d.e.a. agent's gun. i didn't get in trouble because i never shot the gun. didn't scratch the serial numbers off and all the original hallow tips was in the clip. it wasn't nothing in the chamber. >> if he done any of those things, andrews could have faced a stiff sentence in federal prison instead of a couple of months in the hamptons. >> it's a wake-up call. i am the younge

my son says he misses me and when will i be with him again? i told him i don't know. attorney for the two women says she doesn't know either. >> it's unknown how long these mothers are going to be separated from children. they're in proceedings. and their children are in proegs in two different courts. >> neither woman had a cell phone when they left honduras. not only do they not have their children. she has one picture of her son. she only has one picture of her son. olga has no pictures. >> i want to live a good life with my kids says olga for them to have a good future, not as i've had. marbel tells us, i love him so much i never thought i'd bring him to have him separated from me. if i would have known i wouldn't have brought him. i wish him to be together with me. after our interviews both women go back to cells with no idea whatsoever what will happen to their lives. or the lives of their children. >> and gary joins me now. is there -- does anyone have any idea how long the legal process could last for the two women? >> yeah, anderson, i asked the lawyers for t

told -- i told jeremi that he needs to tell him, you know, so i handed him my phone. s -- [ sigh ] you know, you kind of see this sudden shift of emotion going from worry to absolute just -- i don't think i'll eforget the way he looked at me as he was listening to jeremi talk to him, you know. his eyes were so -- so just broken. >> reporter: in some kind of denial, at least according to chris, they knocked at shelley's apartment door. no answer. so they hurried to jeremi's place, also at the falls, to see if he knew anything more. >> and the police showed up. and they grabbed him by the arm and yanked him out the door and they started talking to him. >> not gently? >> no, no. they were talking to him and then they got in the car and went. and i didn't see him for the rest of the day. >> reporter: in a murder so up close and personal -- so vicious -- boyfriend nathan naturally became a person of interest immediately. when officers brought him to dallas police headquarters, detective ellzey was more than ready to ask nathan some very personal and specific questions about

i had not had any opportunity to converse with him -- actually, i did once in 1960. he turns to my father and says what are you going to do with , him, bill? him billy. bobby, teddy, jackie, billy. larry. it's the natural thing. and my father says to him, i don't know, mr. president, what do you suggest? and he said, do what my father did, run him for congress. what is so incredible about that is a month later, i was running for congress and they were both gone and bobby called me to help. so there's no way for me to explain to you how to not just how not just indebted but how admiring i am of both the president and bobby, and i think their loss, both of them, and -- can i say that? i think their loss, both of them, and bobby just compounded with what happened to the president, is -- was so harmful to this country that it's hard to imagine. and one of the things they did and one of the things i have always believed is that words count. you mentioned what he did in indianapolis, what he did in south africa. every time a man stands up against injustice or speaks out, he

when he says that, i believe him. led deal would have ayatollah to the having nuclear weapons once again. was a battle in the trump administration, do we stay in the deal? i energetically urged the president but the right thing to do is to pull out of the deal and use every force we have economic, diplomatic, and military to ensure that the ayatollah never, ever gets nuclear weapons. [applause] sen. cruz: seven victories. and more to come. i want to close with a prayer request. i'm going to be playing jimmy kimmel one-on-one and basketball. i'm a diehard rockets fan. you sound like my wife. kimmel went on air and began making fun of the rockets, making fun of me and saying the reasons the rockets lost is because i went to game 7. i decided to have some fun with it myself, i went online and challenged him, i said, you talk a big game. man-to-man, this one-on-one hoops. $5,000 to thes nonpolitical charity of the winner's choice. we had some back and forth, jimmy wanted to wear short shorts and a crop top. you my earnest

and he said i never really met him. i called him last night. boy, was he surprised. i heard him on the radio and saw him on television. that to me is part of this too. martha stewart was on "the apprentice." rod blagojevich was on "the apprentice." dinesh d'souza, scooter libby was to a certain extent sticking it in the eye of the bush administration who weren't willing to -- remember, george w. bush was strongly lobbied by dick cheney among others to pardon scooter libby and did not do so. a lot of it is relationship driven and remember, he does so many things, he, donald trump, in opposition to what he doesn't like. so so much of his presidency to date has been what did barack obama do? okay. we're doing the opposite. it doesn't even matter really what that is. it's just the opposite. i think it's relationship driven. and there is a score settling piece. i don't think there is any other question. one other quick thing to kirsten's point, don't underestimate what a big deal it is. this is a huge deal to pardon people. this is usually at the end of administrations bec