>> i should say that i have, to be honest, i did not see very clearly by what i was inspired. i do not know if there is, like, a first-time -- i think it can be everything. but i know i was touched by the things that i think a beautiful, and things that are from the street. like maybe why i also have a kind of obsession, i love to work with denim. it was not so well cena that time. i am born in 1952. in 1958, some boys had denim trousers. for my parents, they felt it was not very elegant. so it was not so nice, not so clean. so me, i fantasy about it. and maybe i was looking more and people that were wearing that kind of close, sometimes going to buy a jacket. there is a movie of marlon brando. but i must say, i remember it was a time in the 1960's, it was some boy from the suburbs. i suppose little gangs who were supposed to be bad boys. maybe i was a very polite boy. i was a little fascinated by bad ones. [laughter] it came from my fascination with movies, with james dean, most of all marlon brando. all wore rebellious close. i find it very attractive and very interesting. of

i have to be like him or her, cannot have the red hair. so i say, i also come from nigeria and i am like you. [laughter] i do not think she believed me so i was inventing names. anyway. so she influenced me. she had white skin. you could see her veins. she was very strange but beautiful for me. i was always attracted by different beauty that i saw everywhere. i remember some movies called guess who's coming to have dinner tonight with sydney party. i remember i said to my parents -- i was 12. if i come with a black girl, what will you say? and they say, if you love her, that is perfect for you. years after when it told them what i could say about the fact was going with a guy, they said if you love each other, that is wonderful. so i think i was lucky to have parents like that. very modern. very open-minded. unlike for some, there's no question of religion, of color of skin, or anything like that. people can be all beautiful. it depends on who they are, but it is not a question of color. for me, both of us were beautiful. and i loved color. color of the skin. tattoo on the skin, which is a kind of color. some blue colors that you add. and i w

i don't know. you know i'm going to go back i was kind of but i know there was no alcohol and i was. lucky because that was that was how i got that i was. about mal. got out i did. i'm going to go got a gun got a book out i was a dog. yet complicated i hated. the way. they do about it but i did my job i got i decided. to stick to fix them up when we were. on the. roof over stuff like. you know i was i was wondering. what they mean the time to you it's going to far it's morning it's afternoon it's in the evening that it's drink for you that is secret for you to smoke so this is the federal level. food is not one of the money is not one of the bonus we don't. have all the time oh god no i doubt it's god like and i really i do that well i'm not a doctor i'm not going to talk about this i want to know what i'm going to live want what i don't know you by the way you know how much have you been on the job like that and i want to be identical don't want to think that was why we got married couple with you know not yet somehow you know you're right now go back and it's a lot of the love of th

around -- i was around, i was a round -- the teddy bear, i got it at 3:00, but i let him free at that time at the three years old. i let him free. i think i was around five years old that i started to take care of him. first, very important, i was -- [unintelligible] seeing on my grandmother. she had white hair. so i was putting on the the bear a little color that was kind of blue. after that, i do not know why, but i said he has to change. so it was more red, which was a strong color, too. then i try to make it black. that did not work. the texture of the paintings, because i was putting paintings on him, did not go with it. so i had to destroy it and start again. blue, red, start again. all the make up was the makeup of my grandmother. you can see an exhibition a teddy bear. i should say that he is a little nice monster, but it is a little monster anyway. you know, i have some affinity with air. i'd love the air. i love to touch the air. >> i hope you like my hair, because of a drag queen's last night were trying to touch it. [laughter] >> for the moment, i am not y

that's sort of what i was. i was business when it was my turn to play and what i was trying to do, i tried to be pleasant in between. hogan was pleasant in between and it was just he was the kind of guy i enjoyed playing with. >> rose: as good a ball striker as there has ever been in golf? >> i think trevino was good, too. >> rose: pure ball strikers. so in '63 you go to the masters and people are asking this question. can he validate what he did at the u.s. open? how did you approach it? >> well, i was in masters '61, '62, i felt like i was in a position to want to pay well in '62 because i came very close in '60, '61 as an amateur and '62 i didn't play very well. i finished 14th and i said that wasn't a very good tournament for me and so going in '63 -- actually '63 i didn't know what was going to happen because i hurt my hip and i was in san francisco and i hit a second shot in the green in the pro-am at lucky international which was harding park and i couldn't hardly walk by the time i was at the green. i pla

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and i said, jimmy's on tweeting too. >> jimmy: no, i was. iou're one of my favorites. and i see this thing go down and you get fired for a ridiculous thing. >> yeah. >> jimmy: i mean -- i was so mad because, as the show was going on, i go, "i think they're gonna get rid of dee." >> yeah, me too. >> jimmy: you felt that too? [ laughter ] no, because -- so, they had to come up with an idea for a thing that people want to take pictures of at universal studios. >> yes. >> jimmy: that was the job that you guys had to do. so, you're sitting around meeting with the -- idea table. and penn jillette, from "penn and teller," who's brilliant -- >> brilliant guy. >> jimmy: love that guy. he goes -- [ impersonates penn ] "why don't you have a floating head or something?" and i go, "that's great, but what does this have to do with" -- in my head. >> thank you! >> jimmy: what does it have to do with universal studios? >> thank you! a floating head. and everybody's wowed because penn jillettes going -- [ as penn ] "we're gonna have a floating head and the hea

have worked on campaigns since i was a teenager. i was involved in campaigning against senator jesse helms when i was in college. when i came out here i was not initially involved politically. i was involved in community work, helping to build the lgbt community center, doing neighborhood work, and i eventually started doing campaigns and gradually got more involved in democratic party politics. ultimately, in 2004, i ran for the democratic county central committee and ended up chairing the committee. it was a gradual process for me. by the time i started thinking about running for supervisor, it made sense because of my involvement in the community and the politics. i knock on about $15,000 -- i knocked on about 15,000 doors and a huge amount of people. the best way to learn about the city and what people want and what people's concerns are. i feel like i know so much more than before i started campaigning. i am a good liberal democrat. in the san francisco, miniature spectrum, i am considered pretty middle of the road. one thing abo

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was very important. like already taken by the society in some ways. i must say that when i was going to london, i loved that. the inspiration, through the air, to everything. at the same time, i was fascinated. because i was not part of that. but as a voyeur that i am, i wanted to see them. i'm fascinated. i love them. i love the work of westwood. so i love their work because they did something, but they saw something that was happening, rebellion tight, and that mix of conservative with the art still. i love that, so it has influenced me. for example, in london, i saw a black trench coat, and in the front, you say black is not for children. black is bad, and everything like that that is ridiculous, so i told them. i must say that one for me was a learning experience. i love it. >> london has changed, as every city has. you certainly will not have any of those bankers wearing bowler hats and numberless. more to the point, london out is tremendously diverse. paris is becoming in admitting that it is more a diversity, and there's a little line for me quite hidden away the say

>> i wanted to be as good as i could but i think i always knew it wasn't my best -- i knew i was never going to be as great as one could be in it. i knew that i lacked something as an actress, i knew that always. >> rose: what did you think it was? >> i always saw things from the point of view of the director. i couldn't not see that way. >> rose: you thought like a direct overas an actor. >> so i couldn't let go completely because i was seeing the whole thing. that's what a director does, they have to see the whole story all the time and the actor has to lose themselves in one point of view and i think i somehow couldn't do that. it had to do with -- i suppose it was a kind of talent or an inability to release your conscious mind which makes me value acting all the more but partly my fascinationith what ti is with in part with what t book is all about. >> rose: this book? >> yeah, because both masha and jacob at certain points are actors. he becomes an actor and she's an actor so the getting down to the nitty-gritty of the alchemy that acting is. >> rose: i mean, hello? by the way, yo

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i grew up. i was raised -- i was born to a 15-year-old mother. i was born two months premature. was a premy and i almost died because my lungs had not developed completely. after that i was adopted, moved to a small town in georgia and abused. i mean daily. no like beat with a fist but beat with a belt regular, and after that i decided to run away from home. so -- and i did. rant into these people's house i caught the bus with and said, i'm here to live with you go anything to eat? i was desperate but this is all before success. so if i had copped out and gone to some social program or something to help me because, i had a tough life, somebody help me, could i have turned out like jeffrey dahmer. this is the house i grew up in. this is a better picture, the house i was in had a sag there, and i was the adopted bastard the child and the children who belonged to the man who adopt met lived in the house and they ahead heat. i had no heat in my room. you can live going from the house to my room and see dirt below it. so i have a hard time with the kids today who have these horror st

i was tired of it. i snapped. i wanted her dead. i plead guilty to sexual assault with intent to commit sexual abuse. it carries a two-year sentence. i'm not proud of it. that was my best friend. and i'm sorry to this day that i did it. they put me in ccu because i have a background of mental behaviors. they diagnosed me with schizophrenia, multiple personalities. >> a few hours after our cameras left ccu, etter got into a verbal fight with a female correctional officer that quickly escalated. c.e.r.t., the correctional emergency response team, is called it in. >> he's been banging his head on the door. spitting at the glass. refusing to follow any orders. have permission for use of force or extract him from his cell? >> for security reasons isp videotapes all extractions. >> you ready to move? >> hands up. >> open b-11. >> a mask is placed over etter's head to prevent him from spitting. >> let's go. >> but as they pass through a door, he bangs his head against the glass. >> oh, hey, hey, hey. >> i swear to god break my neck. yeah, i

the moment that i realized that i was -- had lost my foot, i was angry. my first reaction was anger. i didn't have -- i wasn't looking on the positive side. i was upset that a bomb went off and i was the one that was there. i was upset that it had happened. i just -- i was mourning the loss of my foot. i didn't know if i could dance again. it's hard to look on the bright side. after a little while, i thought, you know what? this is the card i was dealt. i'm going to look on the bright side of it. i'm going to try to be the best person i can be, the best dancer i can be, the best wife i can be. that's what i was focusing on. i had some of the best surgeons. one of the them popped in and said we had four surgeons in the room that night and made the decision that we had to cut off your foot and it was the only thing we knew we could do and still giving you mobility below the knee. >> you have no doubt that you're going the dance again? >> i have no doubt. absolutely. absolutely. i have already partnered with prosthetic leg companies to design something where

i guess just deal with it when i go home and it's been pretty rough. i knew i had a problem when i got home or any relationships getting into legal trouble and i knew i was drinking the tragic forget things that happens and i showed up at the v.a. made an appointment and they smear the p.t.s.d. and put me on so often hydroxyzine that. i have here i was taken here the v.a. has these contracts with certain pharmaceutical companies and if there's a medication that can help you or you maybe save your life you might not get that medications to them they use other medications for uses that they're really intended for just because they don't have as big a selection if i saw in our old actually right now insurance i could afford it you'd think i would have to deal with this crap and having to pick from. this selection who they have their deals with. i really don't know what's working. the hospital most of us the man raised nightmares every single night wake up sweating. terry explain to people that at a certain point in time you have such extreme anxiety that you don't even know what to do you're pacing or frying a story. that sleep is becomes overwhelming for f

maybe i had been shot in the back of the head and that i was falling to the floor. actually, i was falling three floors. and it was hot and dark. i couldn't see anything. i was actually still in my chair, but upside down. and i laid there trying to figure out whether i was dead or alive. >> i remember turning around and kind of leaning back in my chair and i literally was -- all of a sudden, just started to see the whole building blow up right in front of my eyes. then all these girls, in just literally seconds, were just gone. and my desk was just sitting at an angle, ready to topple over into the hole where all those girls had fallen. >> there's about three more coming. there's a report of about 22 over here in this building. >> ambulance crews are working as fast and as furious as they can, trying to get to these people and put them on stretchers and get them to the hospital. everywhere you look, the building has been destroyed. it is really a chaotic situation. many people are running around trying to find friends, co-workers. >> you can't go in. >> i don't care. >> right t

didn't know who i was. iu know, and play baseball, you know. but then somewhere down that line i just -- i kind of gave up hope. i was a kid and looking for -- looking for companionship. looking for a place to fit in. the point of joining a gang was for the value of being connected with somebody. being accepted. being, you could say, loved. i was 17 years old. and i got in a gang fight with somebody. and i ended up stabbing them. stabbing that person to death. and when i reflect back, when i was stabbing him, i wasn't stabbing just him. but it was -- i was stabbing my -- everybody that i had anger against. i went back to my buddy's house. and i just told him, man, i did something bad, you know. i did something bad. i was shaking. i didn't know what to do. next day i went to school, you know, like trying to make everything normal again. but in reality, it wasn't normal. i took somebody's life. you now, somebody's son, somebody's brother. you know, and thinking back on it, it's sad, because -- because that didn

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i was a criminal. in my early formative years, i was shielded from that. i was given the opposite message. tavis: that did not stop you from having run ins. >> once we left the panthers, and i was being raised by my mother alone, my father was in prison, he was also a black panther. my mother left the panthers and it was six children and her. it was a single mother trying to raise us and she did well initially. she became the first female welder in oakland. she would have an injury and she lost the job. she struggled with an alcohol addiction and depression. our family started to fall apart. tavis: tell me how you end up in summer camp. >> my beautiful and incredible uncle, who was a serious panther, new jane fonda. jane fonda. i think you guys were on a trip. >> we went to south africa together. and in fund talking was starting a children's camp. i want this camp to be a place for all children. everybody to learn how to get along with one another. why don't you bring the panther children? my uncle sent me and two siblings. it was my first time outside of oakland. tavis: why did the idea of

i wanted it for the comics and the sports. i was a phillies fan. if i could go back into time, the only thing i would change is i would have made it so i was a yankee fan. we were only 89 miles south of new york. i was a curious kid. curiosity has always been a lesson and a curse of mine. anyway, there was always this solid chunk of the paper that seems impenetrable. they were the other table, different from the badding average tables and box scores i would scrutinize with regularity. open, range, close, what open? what range? what close? what are these strange things? why did they matter? i asked my dad. occasionally, i would hear him get mad. >> buy, buy, buy, buy, buy. >> when he heard prices mentioned on the radio. he particularly seemed upset and got very angry when i heard the name national video on the radio and how it went out. i didn't know what national video did or why it went out. i did know -- i don't know if pops knew, either, what it did. i don't know. but i know it made him curious and i wanted to find out more about what these things we

had -- it wasn't what i was really expecting out of all that. ioing there to, say, hey maybe i will have more in common with these people. maybe i will find a better friend. every day i was getting two, three people coming to my window trying to get me to expose myself to them. and every time i would go take a shower. i would get people coming in sitting on the benches just watching me. i was like, hello? it's kind of scary. i am not going to lie. finally, i talked to classification, they moved me out of there. i am in a great new pod. there is a lot of cool people here. a lot of cool new friends. it's interesting. >> while rhodes must keep his homosexuality under wraps, for general population, meet at least a few inmates willing to share their opinions. >> they're in the same unit that i'm in. i know that. >> what if it wasn't so much the desires, what if they fell in love with another -- >> let me say this real quick. i'm not saying you hate him. it's your beliefs, your feelings. >> that's how i was raised. >> that's how i was raised. >> it's no

i was not good at that. after i became a columnist but was still dealing with news events, in 1982 i was in new hampshire writing columns about the new hampshire presidential primary. i spent a day following the then first lady barbara bush around. not as a stalker, but as a member of the press corps. it was a big press corps, lots of people. the motorcade of us going and around and all these dignitaries in various events. at the end of the day, mrs. bush had a press conference at a hotel ballroom. the place was packed. i was taking notes for my humor column. when i thought it was all over, the photographer brought the press corps that had been with mrs. bush up on the stage. maybe two dozen of us. they put me right next to barbara rush, first lady of the united states, for this picture. this is a situation where i know in my mind to say nothing. i knew that in my mind. [laughter] your brain does not always tell the rest of your body what the plan is. there was kind of a quiet moment with these high-powered journali

the greatest honor i could have given my family was that was my death and i ran from it. i was frightened for not fulfilling my obligation yet there was a voice in me that told me to escape. i ran away as if it were the diseased one. at night i hid among the trees along the stretch of road. it was cold that first night alone. i was hungry. i began to think that may be death was a better way after all. i never before felt the black void of abandonment and i knew no one would look for me. as far as my family i ran with the others that morning. everything had been planned. we each left notes for our families hoping we would honor them in the other world i said good night to my family for the last time knows i would no longer be a burden. the only way to honor them to allow them to think i was dead. the following morning in the woods i was awaken by the sound of foot steps. if i moved i would draw attention to where i was. so i lay silent and still. hoping whoever or whatever it was would move on. i stared up through the leaves to a blue sky. it appeared sharp and clear it seem

i was on the phone when i was talking to 911. "if he comes in this room, i'm going to shoot him." and i was. you're under arrest for aggravated assault. in my own house. yes, ma'am. it's his own house too. and then you came out of the house afterwards. ma'am, put your hands on the car at this time. you carrying any other kind of weapons on you? nothing in your pockets? no other knives or anything like that? put your arm around your back. you're under arrest for aggravated assault under the domestic abuse act. he can slug me and get by. you pulled a handgun. i'm going to get him. you see this here? you dead! and i kill myself! you hear me? i kill myself! do you hear me? don't you say nothing! i'll kill you dead! you hear me? you dead! get in the car. don't let him get me out. don't let him get me out 'cause i'll kill him. go ahead and get in the car. i'll let everything go but y'all ain't got to lock her up. yes, we do. we got too many people out here getting killed in situations such as this. we need you to come down and tell the

became a big fan of keith jarrett when i was young. ihought, wow, if i can do something like that with a guitar -- and i remember, i was a student at uc-berkeley, considering going to graduate school in economic geography and working as an intern coming here at the san francisco planning department. i was also a record in my first album. i wrote this piece called " turning, turning back." it began the recording but it also began a new direction for me. they say every musician that starts recording for writing, arranging music, they have to find their own voice. i think i may be found my own voice in that one. >> are you going to play some of it? ♪ >> just playing an excerpt from the middle, -- time part. -- double-time part. the main theme -- ♪ [applause] >> that is the main theme. >> often, when i listen to guitar players, because i'm a guitarist myself, i'm trying to figure out what they are doing and how they do it. i cannot do that when i listen to you. the music for " washes over me. for me, it is so immediately engaging and hypnoti

i will try to answer a, b, c. for me, i know that the first thing i began to think about when i thought i wanted to write a novel was that i wanted to write about my culture. and because i had grownup in the chinese culture i wanted to write about china. i wanted to find out more about myself because of i was raised in the bay area and because i didn't know culturally a lot of things i wanted to know. i knew i wasn't going to write about myself and knew that i was not going to write about my family. but i wanted to write about an aspect about china and women. those were the 2 things i knew when i began the first book. i was fortunate enough to it stumble upon the silk working women which gave me everything i wanted. it gave me the culture. it gave me a sense of what it meant to be a female chinese women in that time and a sense of empowerment on what they had done. regardless of what they understood they were doing at the time. they didn't know it was a culture that was earning money and living independent of husbands and family that was doing everything against what it meant to be in the chinese culture. i hadn't h

i said, i... i can't... i just can't say that. it was less, you know, it felt like i needed to do something, and i... i did. and that's not an answer to anything. >> kroft: charles cullen was the youngest of eight children and grew up poor on this street in west orange, new jersey, protected by his mother. cullen was 17 when she died. he tried to kill himself. he spent six years in the navy, most of them as a missile technician on a nuclear submarine. he was miserable, felt bullied, tried to kill himself again. after receiving a general discharge, he decided to take up nursing. he got married and started a family, but it all went sour. a messy divorce, custody battles, bankruptcy, heavy drinking, more half-hearted suicide attempts and trips to the psychiatric ward-- that was charles cullen's state of mind when he was killing people and on the night he finally confessed to the murders. >> cullen: i tried to kill myself throughout my life because i never really liked being who i was. because i didn't think i was worthy of anything. >> grae

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i was kind of lost for a while, i didn't know what i was going to do. i was a little bummed and that's when i ended up at south-by-southwest. >> part of what's been interesting about your career, those of us who have followed it, watched it evolve, music has been so much a part of what you have done. we were talking about just recently you got up on stage and played with one of your idols bob. >> in my blood. i mentioned the clash but really like he's like the whos crudoo is in my bones. i sang songs with him. it's not like i had to think about the lyrics, i've been singing it my whole life. in new york i got on stage with him, it was one of the biggest highlights of my whole career getting to play with him. >> and you have gotten to play with other bands. but bob mulls like to hear his voice coming from another microphone it's really. >> that's it. >> and he was nice. >> oh, he was great. it was awesome. >> what -- we have a minute left, what are you going to do now? what's next? >> i want to do another tv show, i want to try to put something else. >> a

i knew it. i knew it was a setup. >> no. i need you to sit down, please. >> i need to you just arrest me, take me to jail, and execute me. >> i need to talk to you first. >> you know what? i didn't bring anything. i didn't want to do anything. whatever. >> well, why did you come here, though? help me to understand. >> because i'm a sick son of a bitch. i've never done it before. i talk about it online all the time. >> well, help me to understand. what -- i mean, do you have a compulsion? an addiction to the internet? >> yeah. okay? i've never done anything with anybody except my wife, ever. >> babst was very graphic in a conversation he thought he was having with a 12-year-old girl. they talk about oral sex. they talk about intercourse. they talk about all of the things they're going to do together and how he would teach her. and he says "i just chat about it. i just talk about it online. it's fantasy." but it ceased to be fantasy when he walked into her house. >> now, who are you here to see? >> i don't even know. and you kno

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the other was the scotland trip. i came back and i turned to two staffers i said that was weird. at that point in time, i should have written a check. there were bright lines i crossed. when did i know, operates like d.c. operates. there were times probably within the six month of meeting jack abramoff, i should have said it doesn't look good. >> how long did you spend in congress? >> i came in 1995. i resigned november of 2006. >> how long did you spend in prison? >> i was in prison 17 months. i was behind the wall as we would say for years period into the halfway house. did 17 months federal time. my plea deal was 18 months. blagojevich when you -- >> when you think back on prison, what comes to mind first? >> first is people that think it's warehouse. anybody think it's rehabilitation. it's a warehouse. >> what was it like getting there the first day. who was with you? >> i did something i didn't want to do. my friend who is now my current boss at talk radio news service, said you must come to d.c. and you have to sit with webb hubbell. i remember webb hubbell when he walked in

i think was-- i was-- as i said, earlier on, i think i was trying to-- i think i was trying to use myself as a kind of material within my work. so i think there was a sense of distance. and now the signature gets recognized or the name gets recognized or my image gets recognized. it's-- it's not so easy to have that separation. . my project kind of slightly blown up in my face. >> rose: do you see yourself on some journey where you see where you're going? >> sometimes. i think sometimes the-- sometimes where i'm going seems very clear, and it seems everywhere -- >> rose: and at this moment? i don't mean at this table but where you are having finished this exhibition in new york and going back to london tonight? >> i think-- you know, i think that-- i definitely feel that there's a lot more art for me to make. i don't know if that's an answer to the question. >> rose: but you don't quite know what direction it's in, or is it cumulative? >> it is definitely cumulative. there's definitely a point where you-- when i make work into future, i'm certainly picking up on things that i've made befo