but he said, you got to go back and ask him something and i said i don't know, you ask him. looked at me and said what? i said you ask him. watch, here's jack. we went into the break, jack and oscar and jack is a sound guy, oscar runs camera 3. they both said he doesn't know what the hell he's evening talking about. first of all, jack, you tell me. i couldn't does he have it wrong. >> the simple reason i borrowed my friend's truck. i was pulled over because a brake light. i said give me the ticket and i'll take care of it. >> harry, who is behind camera 2, you can barely see harry. this guy is -- he knows more about the middle east than i do and he's traveled all over the world. he asked me during a break, why deflation was a bad thing. as i explained it, i realized that would make a good segment. we changed the next segment of the show. he'd bring in examples of propaganda in books. did they make a difference? i think so. and that is the key. it's not one person dictating down. when you work as a team, when you hire good people, we all have the ability to make the differenc

i said mr. chairman, i wanted to do -- he told me know. i won't talk to you. he said i support president clinton. you come up and parked me and -- that will give the impression that i am ok with this and i won't let that happen. i am four five months in congress. i was pretty bold. i said that is not and acceptable answer. he spent 40 years of your life as a member of this house. i have been assigned a job on behalf of the house of representatives to make sure we draft a protocol that is fair and you are a person that has unique knowledge of this and you have to give me your time so i am going to fly up there and you have to meet with me. you can have one half hour and that is or you get so i flew up to jersey to see him. i had deputy chief counsel with me and chief investigator gave shippers price at you guys weight of czar. i don't want to spook him. i want to talk to him and see if i can get him to loosen up and if i can't i have an ace in the hole i am going to pull to see if it works. i went to see him, he was 92 but very sharp. he had with him a witness w

i said, well, you mean business. convinced him to come to my office monday, but his lawyer was lenny, and we can't put them in the same room because they hated each other, and so he said, okay, well, we negotiated a deal, the city put a lot of money into it, and we agreed, and dari was in my office, and timely, they all said yes, and he said after reagreed, he said, what about my other $40,000? he talked broken english. they promised me a thousand a day to negotiate. it's been 40 days. i called miller. never heard miller swear in my life other than that day. i said forget about it, forget i called. deal is off, i'll handle it. i said to dario. they don't know about it. oh, that's why i captain trust them, forget the deal. i said, what if i can give you some of it, $20,000? i said i'll make

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he said, you and i are nothing more than a meal ticket. then i'm getting pissed. i said, screw you. t. about a week later, i get a call. i rip the door open, you run in. i see catherine pop her head out. i said where is this guy. out of the corner of my eye, i see robert. i see robert, he is holding his gun. he add 44 magnum gun. he is like, there is my house. i do what i want. you think you're tough? i'll show you tough. i'm like, what's wrong with this guy? my sister came flying down the stair well. she jumps in between us. she's like, leave it alone, leave it alone, leave it alone. i said, you're nobody. all this that you think is yours, this belongs to me. this is my house. i had a disconnect. i didn't care. it was over with. i got off the airplane. i landed under chicago. and kather catherine picked me up. we drove into the house in herm tij. it was pouring rain. it was dark. she shoved a brown paper bag in my hand. she left me. there was a gun. i was going through the memories of catherine. the last memory i had was of catherine tell meg this story about my mom. we were at a re

i go what? she goes are you silting down? and i wad like oh, god, what's wrong with you? and she just said, dad was having an affair with christiane, you were right. i said how do you know that? she said, i found out through one of my friends and it's true, she gave me a letter, it's -- she talks all about how she's sorry and that this love fair that they had couldn't be denied blah, blah, blah. and i was like, are you kidding me? >> that was like a final kick in the teeth. >> well, it was just -- i had been through it once already. and you know, once that i knew about. there were times that i had already thought maybe it was going on. but i wasn't a stranger to that. but the worst thing was dealing with poor brooke because it was her friend and to think that her dad behind her back -- >> yeah. >> she's confiding in this friend and the friend's telling her dad everything. and then you know, me and brooke would go on the road with this girl and the girl would go back and tell everything to terry. it was just almost like -- >> double betrayal. >> living with the enemy. you know. you don't kn

and i said, "it's right here." and you said, "but i want it." e perks of your job. >> jimmy: and i remember -- yeah -- but i wanna download it. >> yes. i didn't realize that there were people that only read books that way. >> jimmy: well, here's why i do it -- because i have a -- i have a short attention span. >> and a small apartment. >> jimmy: and a very small apartment. and also -- on the side of my bed used to just be -- 'cause i would stop reading the books. and then i'd just think of another book and i'd start reading that book. and then just end up with a stack of books that i haven't read. i read like the first two chapters of "unbroken." it's pretty good. [ laughter ] that's as far as i got. but that's -- i could review the first two chapters. so, on -- if i have a kindle -- >> in case someone asks you. >> jimmy: yeah, they go, "did you like 'unbroken'?" i go, "oh my gosh. it was great." [ light laughter ] convincingly. but knowing that i just --i didn't technically read it. but if i have a kindle, then all my laziness is tucked away in

i don't care what you threw in the bridge, i don't care what you threw in the water, you won't defy this test. >> he said would ask. >> did you kill him that night that you were on the bridge and did you throw nathaniel cater into the river? when i ran that test, i was like, wow, this is it. >> wayne williams flunked all three questions. >> i said, well, this test reflected that you did kill nathaniel cater and it was his body you threw off the bridge that night. >> the polygraph measures sweating, the heartbeat, blood pressure, all rise with tension. >> you breathe a little faster. you have a hard time getting your breath. you sweat a little more. he did all those. >> wayne williams took the test three times. he failed each time. >> i said, some reaction like i'll be darned, you're the guy we've been looking for for two years. it surprised him that he didn't beat that polygraph test. he was convinced he could beat a polygraph test. he sat there and studied it and said what's this question right here? i said that's pretty good. did you cause the death of nathaniel cater. then he said, what's this questio

i reprimanded her. "why do you want to put on so much makeup, you know? you're so pretty. " she said, "no. it's not for me. i am a catherine dunham dancer and miss dunham has sent me out to get this makeup. " ah! click! then i thought, okay, i'll take you to the makeup shop if you introduce me to miss dunham. so we made the deal. so we get to the school on 57th street, where her school was, and she was having these dances . auditions. and the drums were going, "bah-koong-ka-ko-kung, kung-kung-ko-kung, kung-kung" . so i joined the class and went, "oh-koong-ko-ko-kung, kung-kung" . (laughter) ek: and i won a full scholarship and that's how i got in. (laughter) (applause) ek: that's how i got here. (laughs) q: i have to point out you're actually the first guest who's ever done anything like that. (laughter) q: and now, a word from our sponsors. (laughter) ek: and i want you to know . excuse me, ken. but i want you to know that i'm going to be 75 years old on january 17th. (applause) ek: thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. (laughs) q: so . so where did this confidence come fr

you just go, oh, i will skate by that one. you said you agreed 100% with him. >> yeah, that's funny. i did do that. no, i actually have been to murfreesboro. i did a show there once. and they are objecting because this is hallowed ground. they never further explained what that means. and five miles down the road from there on broad street which is down that same is a hooter's. i have been to that hooter's. i have. and what is -- yeah, everybody remembers the time general sherman on his way to shilo stopped down there for skanks for the memories. >> i happen to believe that hooter's is my mosque and i go in there and i worship the women there because they are beautiful, anne, just like you. did he go too far or not far enough? >> i am being to think herman cane will not get the nomination. everybody says when we have these conflicts that oh well, it wasn't that long ago the irish need not apply signs. we should invent a time machine and go back #*e and thwart the need not apply. teddy kennedy could never be a senator and pass an immigra

now, if you don't do it, then we have to deal with that." i said, "but you give me your word as a person, talking to me, i'm going to take your word the first time." because that's what i would want people do to for me. i say, "i take your lawyers word." because most of the lawyers i know. i say, "if they say this is what happened, i don't question that. i want to be able to do the same thing with you." >> hinojosa: where is it that you get, judge, this notion... and i guess we'll just end here. you are hopeful for these kids. >> oh, yes. >> hinojosa: where did you get the notion of hope, and what is the hope that you want to leave us with so that when we see these kids we don't see monsters and potential criminals, we see hope? >> someone who had dealt with me as a child... i was told i'd never finish eighth grade. but people who had no obligation to me, who did not know me sometimes, helped me. and i feel that i owe them, and i owe our children the same benefit. you know, it's not just my biological children i'm concerned about. i'm concerned abo

. >> he got in the car and i said, do you know why we're here? and he immediately said, yes, it's about the missing children. that kind of stunned me and i said, what do you know about that? he said, i don't think that the various news agencies are covering it adequately, do you? >> two weeks later, this headline would break the news of that night on the bridge. wayne williams would be sent to prison to serve two life sentences for murder. at first glance, he hardly looks like a serial killer. not much more than 5'1/2" feet tall, barely 50 pounds, now in his 50s and growing bald. >> the bottom line is nobody ever testified or even claimed that they saw me strike another person, choke another person, stab, beat or kill or hurt anybody. because i didn't. >> this is the first time wayne williams has talked on tv in at least a decade. why do you think you were convicted? >> fear. >> what do you mean? >> atlanta at the time was in a panic. they wanted any suspect that they could find. and let's just be honest. it had to be a black person because if it

i told her and i said, please come to the reading, i have a book for you. she came. she said my son is getting married tomorrow at the caribbean hilton, could you please come? and i went. i hadn't seen her in 30 years. we were kids together. and after the wedding, there was a reception and she introduced me to her daughters, very beautiful girls, then i met the last one, very beautiful, green eyes, and she said, i want you it meet my son. all this is in spanish, you know? so i said, sure. so she called these 3 boys over, about my complexion, curly hair, and this is barry, brian, and brady. you expect jose jimenez, you know. what's your last name? murphy. murphy? si, si, murphy. very close to the way the irish pronounce murphy. i said, that's amazing. did you marry a serviceman from the -- military person who came to puerto rico. no, the family has been here since the 18th century. and i said, really? so we began tracing -- we still haven't found the actual person, but evidently it was an irish conscript in the irish navy that came to puerto rico. puerto rico was owned

i said mom, did you take those headsets? them with you, like they let you on the plane. for the next time you come. >> jimmy: so, she did take the headphones? wow. your mother's a criminal. is that -- have you -- well, you play police chief on the show. have you had experiences on the wrong side of the law? >> i have -- well, yeah, but minor. >> jimmy: 42nd street, perhaps? [ laughter ] nothing like that? >> no. no. minor. i did -- i did actually consider homicide when i was in third grade. >> jimmy: in the third grade? >> i was in the third grade. >> jimmy: who were you planning to homicide? >> well, you know -- they were really mean girls in my school. >> jimmy: oh, i see. >> they really -- they deserved it. >> jimmy: give me one of their names. >> i remember their names, too. >> jimmy: you do? >> i actually really did considered it, you know? >> jimmy: how were you going to do it? >> i was going to do it by making a poison potion of eraser dust and the secret ingredient, pencil shavings. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: and then how

said, yes. so then i could go to you. nd i said, well, you give me 1750, and i'll send a kid to college for four years. and i doubled and doubled and doubled. we ran it all the way through the private funnation and did not use city money, and at the end of the day, we used statistics, so what is the average graduation rate from, for a low income free and reduced child in florida? i don't, i've never been able to get a good statistic. i bet it's under 50%. so our kids, by the time i left office we had had three classes of kids had started in sixth grade, all three classes graduated at a rate of 93% from the public schools. so if you can do that with the children in the free and reduced lunch, that's how you would impact your crime rates too, by the way, in the long term, and that's how you impact your overall environment of your community. so we gave out a thousand of those scholarships while i was mayor, and that was one program. as part of that we did the mentoring, so we trained 1200 mentors to mentor the kids identified

i deserve it, i'm a scumbag. she came up and give me a hug and said i just want you to come home. that broke through all of my craziness and all of the disease and i was suddenly -- felt very sober. a moment of clarity. i said i got to tell you a story. i lied the whole time. i can't stop. we were about to get married. i thought i could stop at the bachelor party. i'll be using at the wedding, forever. i surrendered that. she's like, you can't live here. goit in a cab and checked myself in. >> does charlie have anyone around him that can give him that hug? >> you know, he's lost a lot this year. but he's still got a lot. sometimes we need to lose everything. for me anyway. i don't know what his situation is. it would be weird -- >> think about charlie that's so fascinating, he gave up the highest paid job on television. he played the brinkmanship with these guys. no one's ever done that before. nobody would do it on the way down. but for him he was the king of television. >> but i think if he'd have known what he knows now he wouldn't have done that. i think he was doing it origina

said, no. okay. and the next day, do you want to talk about it? and i said no. finally, after a week, i was able to talk to them about everything. and they loved tony. that was their family. and they miss him and you know, they just want to make sure i'm happy. and they say, whatever's going to make you happy. they're great. you should meet my parents. my parents are amazing. >> i think it's the next obviously step here. meet the future in-laws, have a chat. my wife would be very understanding. she always said i could have a relationship with cindy crawford. >> oh, really? >> yeah, and when i interviewed cindy, she was not nearly as keen on the idea, but you, however, are much more keener than cindy. and you look a bit like her. >> you think so? >> wow, what a compliment. >> the latino version of cindy crawford. so i might better sell this. >> okay. >> we're taking a little break. when we come back, i'm going to talk to you about, unbelievably, cooking. >> cooking. >> of which i know nothing. >> oh, really? good. i'll teach you a couple of things. >> i bet you wi

mensch, do you want to respond to that? >> as i've just said, i made the claims in the select committee. and people will look at them. >> it's not in the book, though, mrs. mensch, is it? let's figure on exactly what you said. for more, i want to bring in cnn producer jonathan ward. he was not only in the room, but seated right behind rupert murdoch. you are not a cnn producer. very confusing for the pair of you. you had an amazing ringside seat to this. quite extraordinary scenes when the protester attacked rupert murdoch. what was it like for you being so close to that? >> well, it was -- it was very dramatic. at first i wasn't sure what he was doing this gentleman appeared from the back of the room. he didn't seem threatening. i thought perhaps he was trying to make his way to the other side of the room. next thing i know, he was speaking to rupert murdoch with the in to nation of someone scolding a naughty child, and he said you're a greedy billionaire, and then he took out of a plastic bag that he was holding by his side, this polystyrene pla

so i said what if i can give you some of this? what do you mean? i will give you $20,000. said how can you do that? i will need to the city consultant on the arts. i'm going to hire a racetrack owner to be the city

said -- i told her that it was nothing. i don't know. what's going on? and she said you don't know? is there any motions? is a trial set or anything like that? i said, no. i don't know. so she said who's your judge? who's your state's attorney and we talked and she said she knew both of them. and after a while she was like, you know, it was -- you know, she couldn't believe that i was in there that long. but she wished me the best and i told her i would get an officer to take her down. so i went back down to get an officer and take her down. and when the officer came back up, he said i don't know what you did to her, but she said, you know, get in contact we are. and i was like, okay, so i went to the guy who she came to see. and i asked him about her, and he said that she was charging him $150,000 for one of his cases and like 60,000 for another case. so immediately i was like, okay, well, i can't afford her so -- [laughter] >> so i dismissed that thought. but over time, over maybe three or four months, she had me in contact with my judge, with my public defender and also with my mother. so i still -- i

. >> i can't say you were the murderer, i said if you were the murderer. listen, it could have been a perfect murder. >> reporter: you talked very lovingly about colombo but does it take a big toll on your personal life? >> yeah, i think probably yeah. i think that i pay for that, in terms of the two kids, in terps terms of the first marriage. they were 12 hour days, 16 hour weekends. and we only did it eight years. but it does take a long time. >> reporter: peter started in tv, and was soon approached by columbia studios. but he ran into trouble with studio head cone who said he was concerned about what he called faulk's deficiency. >> i honestly did not know what he meant. so proficiency? finally he said, i'm concerned about your eye. and i told him flat out, there's no problem here. and the guy recommended me. he didn't notice it, he told me there's a difference between television and movies. there's a small screen and a big screen. i argued with him some more and he just said, hey, for the same price i'll get a guy with two eyes. and that was that. i th

i said who did you choose last year. and the year before. and told me. i said do you realize they are dead already? >> i'm alive and shouldn't i pull in a little more? [laughter] to go off, thank you for coming. >> my pleasure. i just this month read your book dreaming water. and i was -- i'm very glad to have read it. i'm wondering 2 things. there seems to be more of an advocacy voice in terms of the discrimination of being you know an asian american. and secondly, warner's disease. i'm wondering how you got into writing about that? and the characters were wonderful. >> okay. your first question, first. you know to be totally honest, when i sat down to write dreaming water i thought this is the book that -- i had finished language of threads and written 4 books that took place in asia. because language of threads was a hate this word, the seekial to women of the silk i felt i came full circle and my asia period might have been done i wanted to write a book that was contemporary and set in california. i knew i wanted to write a mother daughter story line.

i said are you a secret mall? he said i used to be green. i said what changed you? i saw you give a speech and your the only person who made sense right after 9/11. it does make a difference for the kids were just forming opinions and if you just speak the truth is appealing. >> i'd like to read to quotes and ask you to comment on both of them and you may know them very well. as long as democrats can win the election without demagoguing happy to turn america into a banana republic putting us on a high-speed bullet train to bankruptcy it refuses to deal with entitlements. second. the american people want to cut spending because they know it will create a better environment for job creation with the entitlement programs in the next budget process is four to have plenty of opportunities to talk about that. speaker of the house of representatives. is it safe to say both parties have the unreliable record? [laughter] >> by the way if i was picking out my most choice quotes for the book so security reform would not be it. i have said this to republican and audiences but so

i do understand that your preference was mr. sojic from bell graves and a lawyer from russia. mr. mladic if you continue to dras the public gallery rather than the chamber, as i said before, measures will be taken. yes, mr. mladic. if you don't activate your microphone, they'll not hear you. if you want to say anything -- >> translator: mr. orie, i am not underestimating you in any way. i hear better in my left ear, and i'm cold on my head. let me put my cap on. half of my body isn't functioning. i'm not underestimatinging you in any way. i want to communicate with you in a humane way. you are trying to impose impossible conditions on me, a lawyer i don't want and -- i'm just going to look at you. >> mr. mladic, if there's any problem with your medical condition, chamber could have addressed it better if it would have had the medical information which you told we should not receive. therefore, under the present circumstances we'll just continue as there is no need to put a cap on your head. if at any time later anything would indicate that this would be an appropriate measure to meet your medical concerns, then we'll consider that. mr. mladic, i invited you to bri

i said, i have to take a photograph of you. -- this is clint black. this is a lumbering camera, and he said, i will come down. i only got one shot. >> did he know who you were? he did not have it>> i am 8 not trying to promote close. myself, i am tried to take images. >> where was he when you took that photograph? this was in mckinney, in the >> state of texas. and that was my maiden name, mckinneyand this is new orleans, this is. in new york. -- this is in the hasidic district of new yorkit shows you all the different sides of america. this is in philadelphia. i did a book on redding termi have sold over 50 books. and this is minnesota. where i grew up. >> that i have read that you did the books with your husband? >> he writes the america blog. we are americaphiles. we're both fascinated by this countrywhat a great place. . how lucky we are. >> are you under contract with the library of congress. >> no, but they will have me do libraries and i will be under contract to them. i am mary to the library of congress. -- i am married to the library of congr

. >> i said what were you doing up here? >> i was visiting friends. i said no you weren't. she bolted, she ran down the hall. i chased her and i didn't get more than 25 feet before my right achilles tendon ruptured. >> they found the wallet and cellphone behind ice machine but she lost cash and bracelet that his mother gave to him. he hobbled around on crutches and was able to host the competition at google headquarters. he will be in a cast for six weeks. san francisco police say she is a burglar with a long rap sheet. it's unclear how she got into the couple's room while the couple was sleeping. it shows how important it is to use all the locks on your doors when staying at any hotel. >>> this morning, two men are in redwood city jail after nearly two-hour chase that went through several bay area counties. it started in newark. officers from the san mateo county s.w.a.t. team, east palo alto police and chp chased the two suspects. they were originally thought to be two suspects wanted for several murders but investigators s

this or that and i said are you a secret mold? he said i used to be a green. at changed you? he said i saw you give a speech and your the only person who made sense. it was right after 9/11. it makes a difference for kids who are just forming their opinions. if you speak the truth the truth is inherently appealing. i would like to read two quotes and ask you to comment on both of them. one you know very well from page 14. as long as democrats can win elections by demagoguing they are happy to turn american into a banana republic drowning in debt and medicare and social security putting us on a high-speed bullet train to a bankruptcy. the democratic party refused to deal with that. the second quote the american people want us to cut spending because they know cutting spending will create a better environment for job creation. to model current issue with entitlement programs and tax increases is what the next budget process is for. we have opportunity to talk about that. march 3rd, 2011, speaker of the house of representatives. is it safe to say both parties on p

that stunned me and i said, what do you know about that? k the various news agencies are covering it adequately, do you? >> two weeks later, this headline would break the news of that night on the bridge. wayne williams would be sent to prison to serve two life sentences for murder. at first glance, he hardly looks like a serial killer. not much more than five and a half feet tall and barely, 150 pounds. now in his 50s and growing bald. >> the bottom line is, nobody ever testified of even claimed they saw me strike another person, choke another person, stab, beat or kill or hurt anybody because i didn't. >> this is the first time wayne williams has talked on tv in at least a decade. >> why do you think you were convicted? >> fear. >> what do you mean? >> atlanta, at the time, was in a panic. they wanted any suspect they could find and, let's be honest, it had to be a black person. if it had been a white suspect, atlanta probably would have gone up in flames. it came very close to that. >> do you think you'll ever be free? >> it's not a matte

i could. >> what did you tell them, literally? >> literally, i just told them like sometimes people die and i asked them you know how sometimes people die? and they said yeah. and i said okay you see tv a lot how people are shooting other people and stuff like that and