hatch: i did not think i would be here. i did not think i would be here this long. if you are doing the work and you are really helping the country and you're making a difference, that is another thing. at that time i was very upset at senator moss because not only was he not doing the work, he was doing it the wrong way. host: what were those first few days like? do you remember in 1977, your first few days as senator? sen. hatch: i had never held public office before. it was very interesting to me. i was a tough trial lawyer in pennsylvania and in utah. i held the highest rating. that an attorney could have for legal ethics and ability. nobody doubted that i knew what i was doing when it comes to the law. i have to say that it was not being well represented. i do not think there is any question that, not only have a i well represented utah, but i have worked my but offer these off these 42 years and would continue if it was not with the fact that i think it is time to hang it up. host: what was the learning curve like in 1977 having never served in public office? s

i would now like the ranking member to speak. >> i would yield to senator booker just as we did for senator cassidy. >> i really appreciate that and the opportunity to offer some opening statements in. i listen to you characterize because humans can recognize my reasoning on not returning a blue slip and you characterize negotiations because i was never approached by you to ask was there a meaningful negotiation and what was the meaning of the negotiation or what could be better so it's unfortunate your statement holds short of a collegial asking what happened when you characterize the meaningful negotiation that was absolutely not. that didn't happen at our point. but they are characterizing i wish we would have had a conversation. i could have gone point by point about what they did and what they said to me and compare that to the others that have returned blue slips and how much more substantive those negotiations were. what you said it' is trust one-d and not true. i wish that you would come to me before this was scheduled. the blue slip process was unfortunate because it is not a refle

i would have to look for guidance from the text. senator leahy: only senator grassley and i were around at the time that john jay and benjamin franklin. [laughter] senator leahy: on january 3, he'll be the most senior member of the republican party. i am currently the most senior member of the senate. what happens if a president, any executive, secretary, whatever, refuses to comply with a federal court order? how do the courts respond? court is ordered the president or -- court has ordered the president or secretary of the interior to do something, they refuse, what is the recourse for the court, mr. boulee, judge boulee? don't give the andrew jackson answer. mr. boulee: i won't, mr. chairman. senator, when we're talking about article 1, article 2, disagreements there, you think about the youngstown steel decision. that's what comes to mind, first off, for me. but the president is his or her strongest when he's acting with congress. a president is at his or her lowest ebb when he's acting or she's acting against congress. and then f

it would cost money. i agree. it would cost between $3 billion and that is why it cannot come $5 billion. until after vietnam is over. this will be part of the peace dividend. but we would get a better army, better fitted for today's needs, highly trained professionals, ready to move in. on the civilian side, i would have a civilian group on a volunteer basis that could move in for nationbuilding when it was not a warlike situation. i believe this solution would provide a better defense than the united states currently has. when you look on the plus side of it, it would remove from over the heads of thousands, perhaps a million or two, young americans the fact that they cannot plan their lives because of the possibility of the draft hanging over them. there are, of course, things to be said for universal military training, for the present system, but i think the volunteer system is the best system for what the united states will need militarily ahead. it will cost money, but the money will be worth it, in my opinio

i would not want to rush forward. i would not want to negotiate with non-empowered counterparts. es has to be done to some degree. i think there is value in quitting quickly to the issues at hand. what is power-sharing going to look like and security look like , what are social rules and norms going to look like. will there be a new constitutional process. what kind of reforms will be. getting there absent and have some confidence but building measures is important. that the potential avenue of mistakes. it should be at least commiserate with a military mission that has a low likelihood of success, i hope you can find the wherewithal to give this a real try . >> i will quickly point out, one of the most underappreciated elements of last year's strategy review was that for the first time you had unanimity across the u.s. interagency that the top priority in afghanistan is the attainment of a political agreement that includes the televan. -- taliban that is pretty profound since 9/11 in the country. what has been the subject of a lot of discussion and debate since then is how to act

>> november 29th. >> i would like to continue this item to the next meeting of november 28th. and schedule it as a report and come out and stick with the makers timeline. supervisor mandelman. i know, you are a member of this committee. >> i just -- i want to, you know, since as i said, parachuted in for this hearing and i am new to this committee. i want to press a little bit so i understand continuing rather than forwarding to the full board. it sounds to me like there are sort of two issues still outstanding. one is the port cbd set of amendments not minor but there seems to be probably agreement around that, and seems like not agreement, but understand the two bites at the apple. so, again, i -- wanting to understand more about what would get done between now and the 29th if it stayed in committee. >> the -- the language, we would have language that we would be able to discuss, it would be coming to the record. and also like i said, fundamental principal of a committee is do the work, that means when legislation comes from this committee, goes to the full board, then if the

this is the other point i would like to make. you point out that a lot of farmers would be better off with these programs were knocked off. but in the last four years, the former seven get the short end of the stick in that united states of america. taxes have gone up for farmers 76% in the last eight years. farm labor has gone up 46% and the cost of farm equipment machinery has gone up 30%, and the prices that the former is receiving for his commodities in america has gone down. that is why farm income in america has gone down and it of $2 billion. i think we should stop that and stop the inflation, which is been responsible for the former getting that squeeze, and also at a time the former is getting the short end of the stick, you can be sure that i am not for any program that will make the farmer worse off. i will only be for any changes in our farm program that would give the former more control over his program. that is why one is secretary of agriculture that speaks for the farmer to the white house, rather than one to spea

i would come across any would be such a nice and inviting atmosphere to come in. some people have images of bars, like it is the wild west and those type of things. it is nothing like that at all. now we are married and happily so. a very successful business. i turned out okay. the bars are good. they are community building spaces. i think that you should approve this 100%. >> next comment. or cap next speaker. >> hello. i am an owner of a business called bow wow meow. not in the entertainment industry and not in the bar industry. so i am here speaking solely as a neighbor and part of the community. any area that could get these guys invested are going to be better off for it. i would say that less than one% of merchants are engaged. if you can get people like these guys to be part of the fabric of your community, you will be pretty darn lucky because we definitely need more engagement in people who speak up for the neighborhood. they don't speak just for themselves when they show up for community. they actually take a much broader picture into minds. so they will

i would not want to comment on that. [laughter] prof. stein: i did not think you would. last term, you wrote an opinion , you were the majority opinion involving the scope of the fourth amendment in the digital age. a very important case. could you talk about that case and the challenges of new technology in constitutional cases? justice roberts: sure. carpenter was the name of the case. it involved telephone companies. telephone companies have surprisingly detailed records about where you have been for the last several years. where your phone has been technically, but that is usually where you have been. and the question was, what do police have to do to get access to those records? the case was a good example of how compelling the evidence was. they got the phone records of this one person who was in five different locations over a period of time. each time he was there, a bank was robbed. you put it together, it is a pretty strong case before the jury. but the question is, what do the police have to do? the established law was you are , out of luck, they are not your

i would love to see a tax cut in the middle class. eed the senate votes. wouldn't be one, two, 3% on either side? i'm not telling you. but i would be willing to do an adjustment. go ahead. two questions, you talk about leaders who called to congratulate you, president putin called to congratulate you and will you meet with him at lunch this coming weekend? as i understand it, we are having a lunch for numerous countries. i will be there and i believe president putin will be there. we don't have anything scheduled, i don't think, in paris. and i am coming back very quickly. this is a great event, this is an important... it will be a good full ceremony and i'm looking forward to going and we will represent the incredible heroes of the world. the heroes from our country from world wari, so heroes from our country from world war i, so i will go there and i am proud to go there. did he call you? we don't have time set aside for that meeting. but we are a meeting at the g20, where he will be there andi at the g20, where he will be there and

hillman. >> i totally agree and i would only add that i do agree with mrs. lee there is more that the wto can do to reduce all terrace on anything that would contributeon anything that would contribute in terms of renewable energy types of goods. there's been a long-standing fight over exactly what product should be on that list. my own view is that fight needs to be over with today. so that you can go to zero duties and zero restraint of any kind on the trade and renewable energy materials in order to make that contribution. i do think it is also trying to work at disciplines on fossil fuel subsidies, which is the other way the training system could contribute, but the answer is unequivocally yes. >> i don't want to leave you out to mr. lowery. >> i'm not going to say yes or no, only because i have not read the report, and i don't have enough deep enough knowledge in this area, but i will say, i would listen to a lot of scientists that seem to be coming to similar conclusions.>> thank you. as you were noting, and helping china reduce pollution, i could not h

would happen? .. said, well, i hope she would talk to her parents, to the two of us and hope she would talk to our priest, and i hope she would make the right choice. and i said, that's a really interesting word that you use there. and it was great to have that kind of respectful conversation. one of the coolest thing it was great to be able to have that kind of respectful conversation. one of the coolest - things i got to do on this book to work was busy part of a pod cast. she has a very large following. and one of the things i talked about on my podcast is that if you recognize that nobody really wants to have an rortion, not even the women that have them, reducing the rate would make everyone happy. how do we do that if we don't talk about roe versus wade. contraception. we know in america it's 13 per thousand we know in canada at six per thousand. the only difference between our countries is free birth control and widely accessible courses in schools.y the people in america who are often the most vocally pro-l

i would hope the president would not interfere and we would get something done. >> in order to win a majority, don't democrats have to win in states beyond just states that were obama's and clinton's question mark right now i think tester and joe manchin are the only two left? mr. schumer: that's not true. there are several others. >> how do you win in those states? mr. schumer: our focus, which we decided early on on health care, proved very, very beneficial to us, because that is the number one issue facing the american people. why focusing on middle-class issues that affect average voters such as health care, drug prices, things like that, i think we will expand our majority. suburbia, which used to be so republican, is now democratic. and by the way, suburbia did very well for us in states like missouri and indiana. we did better than we have ever done. our coalition is growing while theirs is shrinking. because in a few states they won doesn't undo that fact at all. >> obviously, 2020 will be heating up sand -- soon. some of your senators will be running for higher office. how do

i would like to say that i do think it would be good to give consideration to those companies and entities that are permitted when considering lane usage for these transit only or bus only lanes. thank you. >> hello. i am here today representing 665 teamsters who drive for several private commuters. it is in our best interest that they continued to allow the is capacity vehicles that are regulated by the m.t.a. our drivers are highly trained and can manage the traffic and buses. there is an established program which allows them to use these lanes. faster services of these vehicles will continue to encourage people out of single occupancy vehicles. we run an affordable company. we pick up and drop off passengers from designated stops using a transit only lane is and will be beneficial for the passengers and the company. the drivers are all well trained and the drivers are proud teamsters. it is safer for vehicles to share these neat -- lanes with other buses. thank you. >> good afternoon, supervisors. i am here on behalf of cherry transit inc. this is an important conversation. we appreciat

i don't know that it would be the story i would pick upup necessarily or that it would be something i would dive into. i always do get a lot of mail and contact from people that say i have stories i need you to write and especially because you were intimately involved in the casework of this young man. hearing that frompo your point f view is good to be more resident than if i created a piece of fiction so i encourage you even if you don't see ourselves as the writer you can always hire a ghostwriter too cal call bulletd at some point. >> 19 minutes is how long it is to go through and to systematically kill people. >> host: do you identify more, i'm putting you in this books and that is completely not fair ent more with alex or lacie? >> guest: i would've probably more identify with alex who is the mother of chelsea, peter's lifelong best friend from when he was little and as they got older he got to be more awkward and became a little more popular in their lives they urged. we see is peter's mom. the only reason i would say that i am more like alex is because of one thing i had done

i would defer to council. if council thinks we are positioned legislatively to hold this back, i'm not sure what necessarily it will change that. i will defer to council and my colleagues. it is a recommendation based on a staff recommendation. i'm prepared to move it forward to. i will pay very close attention to your particular case, but i will grant one more comment and then we will have to decide. >> individuals haven't seen this legislation. they don't have the ability to respond to it. there has not been mailed to notice about it. they haven't been able to review it. i think there has to be time for that to be done so it can be addressed by the commission rather than moving this forward. >> i will leave you with this, unless the commissioners have comments. >> my understanding is there is not required insurance. >> if you are in the flood zone map,. >> it is a disclosure based ordinance, is my understanding. is there an insurance requirement as well? >> i want to clarify there is no requirement embedded i

then i would just again say to the committee, i think president cohen's point is a good one, i would prefer to have the amendments accepted today and we can move forward with further conversation. i know they sounded technical and cumbersome, but we did spend a significant amount of time talking about a lot of those today, in a lot of detail. >> supervisor safai, you definitely put a lot of work in this. this is quite a heavy lift. you definitely have many stakeholders that are at the table that are touching this legislation. even myself, when i first heard about it and learned about, i didn't even think about the impacts to some almost secondary stakeholders. so i appreciate your willingness and flexibility to work with us on the legislation. >> supervisor safai: through the chair, to your point about the affordable housing, i am -- having been a former housing authority commissioner, having worked with the housing authority, i'm cognizant of that and i think sitting down with the affordable housing stakeholders, i appreciated mr. cohen's comments today about working with the departm

i would also like a closed session to discuss the constitutional point with the city attorney and our council. >> yes, we are going to do that at the next meeting. >> commissioner kopp: next meeting. i make a motion to continue the whole item to the next meeting. i will withdraw the motion to justin the attachment three. >> i comment through the chair. these regulations only affect the draft regulations in attachment one only affect existing law. if you approve an ordinance, another set of regulations will have to go through to update regulation to conform them with the new code changes that you make to the ordinance. these can be done by themselves. that is the way they are set up. these are two separate things. in other words, they don't have to be conjoined. i wanted to raise that so you are not surprised down the road if an ordinance is approved more regulations appear. if you change the definition of total supportive funds, there is a regulation we have to change that. these regulations that you have before you today don't do that. for this exact reason. we can't know for sure wh

would. so i'm not saying that ever at all, because those two exceptions that i am proposing would both be in effect, i hope, and they would take care of the concern that you are voicing. >> anyone else? thank you very much, judge. have a safe trip home. we appreciate your testimony. and we will give it long and thoughtful consideration. >> okay. thank you very much for listening. i'm going to sit there for a while. my plane doesn't leave quite yet. >> very good. >>> i am not judge o'neil, i play him on television. professor jay, welcome to our hearings. you have been a -- an astute observer of the judicial function for a long time and we are delighted to have you before us this morning. >> such a privilege to be here. and i apologize in advance. i am going to have to run from the room after i'm through. i have a colleague who is up for tenure this afternoon and i need to make it back the bloomington for the meeting. i certainly appreciate the time. so i have been writing actively in the area of judicial conduct and ethics for the last 25 years. in that time, in both state and federal systems

think so yeah i mean it's been i would i would imagine there would be you probably want to ask one of the one of the leaders there but we had russian cosmonauts flying the shuttle fairly regularly there was a time before the accident when we were exchanging crews with the shuttle as well as with the with the soyuz and many of the crews who would would fly the way there was however many three was always three it was a mix of russian american and also don't forget our international partners. shots from canada japan and from the countries of europe. would fly as well and they would fly up on the shuttle and come back and do the russian cosmonauts would would trade with us and houston and our crews were training with them over and russia so i don't see what i mean i don't know i am not sure what the policy makers are going to do or how that's going to work but i would imagine it would be a nice option to be able to show spaceships again i heard you say that nasa these days cannot afford to do all the things that they used to do in the past fo

i would blame them. they now are going to be coming up with policy, the majority, i expect they will come up with some fantastic ideas that i can support on the environment, on so many different things, including prescription drug prices, which we made a big dent in already, including the veterans, we have gotten choice of print, a lot of things approved. there are many things we can get along on without a lot of trouble, that we agree very much with them and they agree with us. i would like to see bipartisanship. i would like to see unity. i think we have a very good chance -- maybe not on everything -- i think we have a good chance of seeing that. go-ahead. reporter: one question on the lame-duck and on your cabinet. you toyed with the idea during the campaign of a shutdown before midterms in order to secure border wall funding. are you prepared to go on shutdown strategy during lame-duck since this might be your last best chance? >> i speak to democrats all the time. they agree that a wall is necessary

and i would take that also into the space realm. i think that some of these have been put into the classified domain and it has deprived the american people from understanding what exactly is going on out there. >> i agree. >> and so i think looking at what is really classified and what is not is something that is very important in having the type of discussion and indeed the base -- debates that are going to be taking place as result of some of these recommendations. >> i appreciate the input. thank you gentlemen very much. thank you mr. chair. >> thank you senator. mr. peters. [ indiscernible ] thank you mr. chair. thank you for your testimony today. i would like to expand a bit on some of the discussion we have had already related to operational concepts and some of the problems associated with that. i turned to page 26 in your report when you talk about some of the threats we face from russia and china and how they are escalating. you write, these countries are also leveraging existing and emerging technologies that present u.s.

alexander: no, i don't. how would you do that? someone will have to write a definition of free speech. i suppose congress could, by sense of the senate resolution adopt the chicago principles, but the next congress might adopt another set of principles. if you pass a law, then you get regulations. i don't think congress should do that. i think what would be another thing that would be more effective would be for consumers to get active. within the last two or three weeks, two national publications came out with 100 best colleges and universities. the wall street journal had 300 of them rated. all of the colleges and universities object to the u.s. news & world report rating. but every single one of them brags about it when they are on the list. if they were a consumer report organization that was bipartisan, independent, well respected that ranked the 100 best colleges in terms of free speech and the 25 worst, i guarantee it would have some effect. mr. rosenstein: to what extent do you think it would be appropriate or wise for pare

i would like to recognize supervisor he. >> thank you. first of all, i want to thank supervisor tang for her leadership on this portent human rights issue. we all have heard of the horrific stories and businesses using massage establishments as fronts for illegal activity. often it involves the trafficking of and -- of women and girls into the sex trade. this continues to be a challenge for our neighborhoods and i want to commend the staff of the department of public health for their persistence and commitment because of the leadership of advocates like supervisor tang, we have seen progress in cracking down on those that abuse the system. while our laws are being stretched to weed out the bad actors in this room that we know it is forever evolving. the legislation before us today makes huge strides in trying to tighten up the existing regulations on massage establishments and ensure the safety is only issuing massage -- massage establishment permits with the trust that the applicants are truthfully going to run a massage business. in a sa

i will take that as a compliment but i would save i could be anyone it would be the abortion provider, the doctor. >> host: you want to show the cover. lookinge at this and asking what they think. >> i think it is beautiful the impressionist painting the way you look at it the more you cann see there are faces i thought it was a beautiful and into - - interesting interpretation. it doesn't bother me that our pastel colors that we would consider more feminine because it is about women's reproductive health. >> host: if i were walking past that book in the airport unless i was familiar i wouldn't necessarily pick that up. >> it isn't always a function of the cover. so with a huge gender bias but nthat cover itself it would never be a chiclet book that would have a disembodied woman's part or a cartoon cover that is too high brow. we know there is intense gender discrimination in publishing because of a group that has done the numbers they crunch the numbers and how they are reviewed by traditional outlets and how many women are reviewers and now they look at people with disabilities and

>> yes, i would echo what ambassador edelman said. a lot of the press could have picked up on this and tried to say it's focused on individuals. that is not the issue. in fact, as i think this through and as we discussed it during the course of the commission, this has been a long time in coming. in fact, if someone were to ask me, i would say the genesis is in 1986 with the passage of the goldwater-nicoles act which since that time, we've seen large increases in military staffs, the combatant commanders have gotten larger, the joint staff has gotten larger. we have invested heavily in professional military education. so, we've really upped the intellectual intellectual heft of those serving in uniform today. and so, you have a mass and quality on the military side that can move quickly, generate, you know, great options. i would also say that there has been a deference to those in uniform, both on the executive branch and in the congress, as opposed to holding to account the civilian leadership of the department, my opinion on that. i

i would always send her hate book.- center a a book that i would like or maybe one i thought she would like. all of these years i have this friendship with her and i would send her various items and pay a lot of attention to her. when we left she was under house years.for all of those by the time that we left, she had you know, been able to be the leader of burma. but now as we are watching i don't know if it's the military, who always really were the ones time,er during the whole even though she had been elected president, i don't know if it's a military thing or if she is compromised by the military, i'm not sure, because now i'm not in contact with her anymore. >> but you went to the press room, the briefing room, you were on the way to the wedding, as i recall, had a few things to do on the home front, but you went into the press room. no first lady has ever done that before or since. you grabbed the microphone and basically you denounced the military rule in burma because they were not responding to a cyclone where they had not even accepted american aid. and yet you were describe

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i would hope the president would not interfere and we would get something good done. >> can i ask about the sessions news now? sen. schumer: no. you can, but not yet. >> ok. in order to win a majority, do democrats have to win in states beyond just states that were obama's and clinton's? right now i think tester and joe manchin are the only two left and the caucus than one states -- won states that are not -- sen. schumer: that's not true. there are several others. >> how do you win in those states? sen. schumer: look, i think our focus, which we decided early on on health care, proved very, very beneficial to us because that is the number one issue facing the american people. by focusing on middle-class issues that affect average voters such as health care, drug prices, things like that, i think we will expand our majority. we are delighted that suburbia, which used to be so republican, is now democratic. and by the way, suburbia did very well for us in states like missouri and indiana. st. louis county or marion county. we did better than we have ever done. focusing on those types of

there are two matters i would point to. first was the program of reentry. for individuals who had been previously incarcerated. finding a pathway to bring people out of our nation's jails and into our hallways where i was proud to call them my colleagues. second, there were occasions that i had to represent the hospital in significant patient interests where i worked not just as an advocate. >> what about your time now? zpl sorry. >> your time right now. are you involved in any many pro bono activities that i know your firm is doing? >> senator, while not currently, i am continuing my work on behalf of public matters including matters regarding fraud against public institutions, so i do consider -- >> can i ask you to amend in your questionnaire where you didn't detail those things. >> i'd be happy to answer any questions. >> to detail your pro bono work. again, i'm over my time, sir, and there's a number of other areas i'd like to go into. can i be afforded another five minutes? >> . >> thank you, mr. chairman. we'll come to the other four people come and i

i would say that would be -- that would be my preference because i can anticipate this being a long and drawn out issue and a battle and anticipating the amount of conflict in the land use and the amount of complaints and concerns and issues that people would have that would be living next to constant noise from delivery trucks. that does not, you know, fabricate it. that is real. that is just the nature of the site that we know going. ♪ if i can respond to that. we have a lot of new construction in the district. i don't feel a lot -- i don't field a lot of complaints about the loading and unloading of trucks around the flower mart today. there is housing on six straight across the street from the flower mart. again, if there is an agreement between the project sponsor and many of the different stakeholders, there may be an option for through the development agreement where the project sponsor can deed land to mohcd as was down by citizen m. today or potentially provide dedicated funding for a small site acquisition as well. none of that is off the table with this amendment. >> ok. to t

i would like to communicate my concerns to her. thank you for your audience. >> next speaker please. david woo. >> i am with the community action network to comment on new red lanes south of market relating to the central soma plan. the plan an area in the south of market is centered around transit ordered development that includes that transit is adequate reliable and pleasant. it builds off the new central subway under construction. due to years of lack of infrastructure improvements it is addressing a past need not present or future. the reality is now further exacerbated with private shuttles such as google bus us in you the lanes. on 2018 the spokesperson said that all transit only red lanes are going toally to google bus us. we are concerned about this. if they are serious about

i would say you can give us that today. i would say i would like a further line. i would like to strike that condition and add this condition. this is a policy this agency is adopting today. yoyou could say, should we say s a condition that the staff would not bring us this for cases where there are one or two vehicles. i don't think that's overcome plex tovercomplex to today. >> we are committed to working with folks living in vehicles in the portal neighborhood and on duel street by the end of the year. we don't have all the the resources we had and i don't think it should stop us from finding solutions for folks who are there and to do it in a way that's respectful and ends up helping folks as well as allowing you to address concerns that house people have about parking in the neighborhood. >> what i'm hearing so far, in terms of adding to the policy that staff has come up with, it sounds like a initial pause in outreach for problem streets is something that we would like to see. if a street comes to us, that information is included in the staff report as a str

i will get you a hard copy. >> thank you. the 9.7-acres would be very, very good because we have been bantering around 8-acres. i want to make sure that we are going to have enough space for everything. go ahead, chief. >> the 9.7 was written by someone for the three areas, one, two, three, which we have looked at and have determined that may not suit our needs best because of the slope of the area. we are now taking a look at the orange area on the other side which is flatter, and the eight acres was in the scope of what we need, and that again would be if we get everything we need. eight acres is obviously a huge piece of property in the city if we can get eight acres that would be wonderful. i don't know that we can get eight acres, but we will continue to advocate for that. >> the eight acres -- my question is was eight acres will that be enough space for everything we need including some small percentage for expansion? >> i believe that was part of the scoping that was done to look at what we have at treasure island to see what we could do

because i understood that there would be a time. -- again. i did not hear about this permit being withdrawn and that there is a two new permits. although it seems very standard for what we are seeing going on with these particular owner agents. so if you could just clarify, i would really appreciate it. the presentation that i had prepared, i should just -- i will not be giving today or? i'm just not sure -- >> i'm happy to answer. this is your public comment time this is highly unusual that the permit was cancelled prior to the hearing. since it's cancelled, the they are moot. the board has to make a decision on permits that have been issued or applications that have been denied. this was cancelled. so basically, i understand the permit holder is seeking two new permits and these permits are basically very similar to the two permits that were cancelled except for the verbiage regarding no tenants are occupying the premises. so what the board -- this is highly unusual. when those permits -- if and when those permits get issued and they are on

. >> i would think so. commissioner, i know you were talking on privacy why is it important to have disclosure with online ads and disclaimers of the ftc jurisdiction? but in general i do think that is important. >> thank you for your question. to help consumers understand what is happening with the data and the information they have the opportunity to police but if there is no disclosure we could not call the disclosure deceptive in most circumstances so to make sure consumers understand what they see and the companies with twitter and facebook have done this voluntarily but we have other platforms that are not doing it at all with a complete crazy situation that is required and they are not but commissioner why is it important to the ftc with privacy violations? and could you talk with those privacy violation? do you support something like that? we mac we need when people's data is stolen you can pass all the privacy laws that you want but if there is no penalty for violating them. >> that creates act is s