you can hire more i.c.e.gents and border patrol agents but if you don't hire more immigration judges you are not going to get to a pretty result. we need more immigration judges to hear the cases. if you were to look at the non-detained dockets that eoir has, that might deportation officers have, you'd be shocked. they go out as far as the eye can see and that is not a good place for us to be. >> who has the microphone -- okay. and tell us who you are. >> [inaudible] on the a 287(g) program isasi the administration made changes with law enforcement is there thought to getting rid of it all together and making sure that federal officials are in charge of immigration enforcement. it is a statutory provision. congress created the program. it's not within my power to turn ' i did make a number of changes as to how we delegated authority and limit the number of changes as to the circumstances in which we would delegate the authority but we will continue to delegate it. there are many, many instances in which coope

i.c.e. does and how he sees i.c.e.'s work in relation to his being there and then he is going to join me right where he is now seated on the stage and he and i are going to have a conversation for a bit. i am going to ask him some questions and follow up on some of the things he talks about and perhaps raise some issues on some things he is not able to touch and then we will open the floor for questions to you in the audience. now, you will have john's by atrophy in front of you and so you know that john has outstanding credentials for the position that he occupies. next to the fbi, you probably also know that i.c.e. and customs enforcement is the second-largest federal law-enforcement agency. it is an investigative agency that has about 20,000 employees, has a budget of about $5.7 billion so we are talking about a very substantial enterprise. john of course has had a career in federal law-enforcement. he has substantial experience and knowledge of the immigration law and policy as well as t

i.c.e. in relation to his being there and then he is going to join me right where he is now, seated on the stage and he and i are going to have a conversation for açó t and i'm going to ask him sew some questions and to follow up on some things hea has talked about and then we'll open the floor to those of glu the audience. now you all have john's biography in front of you and so you know that john has outstanding credentials for the position that he occupies. next to the f.b.i. you probably know that i.c.e. is the second largest federal also law enforcement agency. that i.c.e. and customs enforcement is the second-largest federal law-enforcement agency. it is an investigative agency that has about 20,000 employees, has a budget of about $5.7 billion so we are talking about a very substantial enterprise. john of course has had a career in federal law-enforcement. he has substantial experience and knowledge of the immigration law and policy as well as the overall criminal-justice system. i wo

i.c.e. immigration and customs enforcement is the second largest federal enforcement agency, an investigative agency that has 20,000 employees, a budget of 5.7 billion dollars, we're talking about a very substantial enterprise. jon of course, has had a career in federal law enforcement and has substantial experience and knowledge of immigration policy as well as the overall criminal-justice system. i would have to say i have known and followed and worked with him throughout that period beginning in 1994 when he came to the government from the university of virginia school of law as the end of law graduate and a first position was and the office of general counsel when i was there. there is no question that john was smart and incredibly hard-working, capable of handling difficult and sensitive issues and he advanced very quickly giving the characteristics and attributes through a variety of positions at the department of justice. it has been 16 years since that time. and john has worked in po

i.c.e., the law enforcement knew about this guy. they didn't even tell the police chief of all el paso and of course the police chief left the house is always a the point is the drug trafficking issue for those of you from the border know it is a very incestuous business and it involves people on both sides and it's a very lucrative trade but especially now it's become a violent struggle to control and they had their own war three years ago which was that that the juarez mine is the worst one ever so what i decided to do is collect all these stories from people i knew, from neighbors, students in my class is from people i met casually from my wife's relatives and put together a kind of panama of the everyday lives of drug traffickers and law enforcement people on the order and in the juarez el paso area so that is how this whole project got going. >> once the book falls into your left you are faced with all of these questions of how to handle such a tricky and delicate subject considering this is written your communities and going o

what i did was organize it into the threats that i.c.e. gathered against our systems that sustain us. like both the food to regrow and animals we raise and what kind of water, supplied water and treatment of waste water and energy, legal and electricity. and each of those categories is a system that has been increasingly industrialized and is increasingly in peril of failing. morrill strassel all of those systems and usually people don't look at them all at one time we give people specializing in electricity one of the things of vital to cities it takes three times as much water to get to the electricity to your home that you use and it does the water that you use so the electricity has an impact on water. so i tried to gather in what police these threats and dimension and here is the central premise. when we industrialize food and water and electricity we have this relentless search for a economy of scale we get bigger so the units get cheaper. well, there is a dark twin to the economy of scale and it's the concentration of risk. everythi

takes away the flexibility to decide whose fingerprints are run, essentially reporting everyone to i.c.eh minor offenses. homeland security secretary janet napolitano said one of her department's priorities is the removal of illegal aliens who have committed serious crimes. >> they're deporting people for minor traffic violations. >> reporter: the department of homeland security insists its focus is on capturing the most dangerous criminals here illegally. >> secure communities is all about public safety. and it's all about trying to identify for removal from this country serious criminal offenders in local communities. >> reporter: he habitually drove without a license and used 15 aliases in georgia and florida was charged thanks to the program and will be deported to his native country after serving his sentence. so to those who have fears about racial profiling, what would be your response? >> don't break the law. if you're not in custody, you're not going to be checked. >> so the far the program is available in 108 counties throughout the nation. and gwinnett county, georgia, it star

over time, we've been seeing a really skyrocketing expenditures in particularly i.c.e.t is that costs for apprehensions are really skyrocketing. any agency that delivers these type of numbers in terms of what its effectiveness is, we've gone from almost 15 times growth in terms of the costs per arrest. we're not becoming more efficient, we're, this is a, this actually is the only thing that what we've been able to see in recent studies confirmed this. the federal reserve board of atlanta for example, makes the case that, that this type of, of policies over the last 20 years, what it's actually done is repressed the wage growth in many sectors, that increasingly turn towards undocumented workers, and it actually encourages much other sectors to have to compete with, with lower wages by moving towards undocumented populations. so we call this the vicious cycle of the current strategy. it's broken, we have to change, we have to move forward. and what, what we then look back and historically look, asking the question, well what are our options? what happens during the last

over time, we've been seeing a really skyrocketing expenditures in particularly i.c.e.and border patrol apprehensions even before the economic downturn. the result is that costs for apprehensions are really skyrocketing. any agency that delivers these type of numbers in terms of what its effectiveness is, we've gone from almost 15 times growth in terms of the costs per arrest. we're not becoming more efficient, we're, this is a, this actually is the only thing that what we've been able to see in recent studies confirmed this. the federal reserve board of atlanta for example, makes the case that, that this type of, of policies over the last 20 years, what it's actually done is repressed the wage growth in many sectors, that increasingly turn towards undocumented workers, and it actually encourages much other sectors to have to compete with, with lower wages by moving towards undocumented populations. so we call this the vicious cycle of the current strategy. it's broken, we have to change, we have to move forward. and what, what we then look back and historically look, a