the court makes the judgment that low i.q. means that you're less responsible and less likely able to be deterred. so the twin pillars of the criminal law don't really apply. but i'm not sure that the psychologists who do psychological testing and i.q. or the neuroscientists have really connected up the constitutional reasons why because it may be that they're substructures of i.q. that are more relevant to the eighth amendment question. it's not a general i.q. score that is ultimately relevant. in fact, the california supreme court has dealt with exactly that question of what subscales might be constitutional relevant rather than the global i.q. score. >> one question here which i think is very interesting. in my community, we strongly feel that diet plays a strong diagnosis of the violence we see, the intake of sugar which is heavily consumed is a factor. what is your take on that? >> diet certainly plays a role in controlling and vi you know, i'm not that familiar with all of the different science associated with different

richwein says your i.q.well below that so you can't possibly get into harvard. >> and the problem here is with this methodology. and the methodology is looking at this very narrow scope of the i.q. measures and i have not looked at the study in its entirety, but beyond that, you're ignoring the fact that immigrants in the united states have the highest entrepreneurial rates. that immigrants here in the united states fill every level of occupation, from the high-tech to the low-tech. so he's just perpetuating this stereotype. martin, is your troublesome to me, aside from the fact he has resigned, is we're starting to see these ugly racial arguments about immigration bubble up. we see it here with this co-author of this study. we saw it with the hell hole comment by sessions. we're also seeing -- >> that was absolutely astonishing. i mean, have you ever heard a sitting -- >> i'm not surprised. >> -- senator refer to a nation as a hell hole? >> sadly, i'm not surprised because those racial antipathies, that ste

they have the same i.q. and probably for similar reasons that the isolated culture. people from isolated cultures tend not to have the same achievement of cultures that have a larger culture universe that you draw upon. so the data are good for measuring what is likely to happen with a given person at a given time under gibbons circumstances with the ultimate potential at the time at the moment of conception, no one has come close to anything like that. >> host: where did this book come from? >> guest: is a much larger study called intellectual society, which i wrote. >> host: why did you break up for race? >> guest: my original assistant urged me to bring us out of what was to begin with. we realized eventually she was right. >> host: what about asian-americans who often seem to as the group performed better in school than other groups, why is that? >> guest: the 14 letter word we can't use this work. i remember when i was teaching at ucla in the research library as looked around, almost everybody i saw was asian-american. had looked in vain for many black students.

there's no genetic reason why anyone's i.q. would predict their kids' i.q. okay. done.stuff. this endlessly debunked biological determinism is the root of racial superiority. are we talking about ingrained differences in races in the 21st century? i say we, because though richwine resigned from heritage, not fired, he has been defended by rush limbaugh and michelle malkin and other conservatives. you say, hey, with friends like that, who needs enemies? they embolden people to believe it as if we're just the pc police calling it for what it is, racism. they're also signaling to hispanic americans we don't really want you in america. the heritage report which started this chapter was designed to cover for republicans who want to vote against immigration reform or force some others to be unable to vote for it because of the impact of disinformation on voters in media. several prominent republicans repudiated the heritage report including paul ryan who points out the cbo says immigration reform could help our economy grow. legalizing 11 million people would boost their wage

problem this is the eleventh plague multi-tasking it's making us dumber there are studies that show your i.q. actually goes down when you multi-task it's bad for driving you know we get into accidents it make. more depressed less able to empathize so it is a real problem so this was my attempt to try to just do one thing at a time like when i met when i was eating just trying to put on eating which drove my wife crazy as well because she wanted to have a conversation i said let me just taste the food but it was a fascinating project very zen way of life actually yes i had a very good then then a moment to it let's go back to the life locking you downloaded all the video right that you recorded every minute of your day right right but all the tronic communication the u.s. we are told is recorded and stored for security purposes usually it's the federal government or the n.s.a. that has the over the recordings maybe it's what people are searching on the internet there's a lot of cameras out on the streets that are recording us when we don't know about it what are the risks of that do you belie

the high i.q. brain uses brain power to cancel out information. there is other processing among brains with different i.q.s. >> i'm very focused on your weather. >> i was going to say, we all have high i.q.s, if i do say so myself. here we go, all right. a live look outside on our camera tonight. you can see clear skies but we'll talk about fog moving in and also the chance of showers, coming up. >>> okay, it's friday, the weekend is here. many of you have a long weekend. i'm looking forward to the weather. >> did i see a little hand raise there? raise the roof? i like that. let's take a look here at the forecast as we head into tonight, also tomorrow. it's going to be mainly clear at the bay. also for the interior valleys, mid to upper 50s. through tomorrow we'll have cloud cover but not a huge fog event for us. at 11:00 a.m., temperatures in the upper 50s and low 60s. by all accounts, saturday is looking great. if you're heading out into a boat, let's say, early tomorrow morning out on the bay, water temperature going to be cold, in the low 50s,

the defense gave them an i.q. test where he tested above the 70 i.q. threshold, which they didn't use as evidence. what more could a 30th to? how you feel about the death penalty. it was a reasonable outcome. >> well, i think if they had -- some of the experts they called or not the best at explaining what the range of mental retardation was and even how could acquire basic skills and even a bigger vocabulary. in rodney's case, he worked his job. he, you know, had an apartment in the basement of advance house. he was a fairly independent adult but his job was putting and the fact jury. his life is very routine. if they had frankly better experts they are to the jerry they would have a chance of understanding his capacity was limited. i haven't been able to oscillators because the case is appealed and there is also the question that he didn't understand it. i was at the trial so i saw him every day. >> the descriptions are buried their dead and is beautifully pressed shirts hunched over, not looking at anyone. i guess he's this large intimidating lookin

i care about i.q. points. this is a human capital business. if there's 2,000 people in the room, i want 300,000 i.q. points. which means that some you guys are going to have to make up for me. the point being that we want intellectual capital to drive ideas and that's the whole purpose of salt. >> one of the points, if i could really quick, for instance, john cor cy corzine was early with the italian bet and unfortunately got really screwed up with that. that marked the high watermark in terms of yield. the low watermark in terms of where those bonds were. same thing with the jpmorgan whale trade a year ago. when as josh said, people were holding that market artificially low. i think those kinds of things are what people at this conference look to take advantage of. where is the disconnect. if the people aren't pricing properly. >> you're going to be joining dinner tonight. we had some of the legendary hedge fund managers. one of the things i've been promised is great ideas. so we're going to get the best ideas from everybody. you know lee coo

the title of his dissertation is immigration in i.q.merican enterprise institute before he was at heritage where he had been involved in panel discussions where he had very articulately said what his views were, and he had written for various web sites despite his position on immigration and i.q., and he was at heritage, i imagine, because of his expertise on this issue. i don't understand what he has done. i think views are so transparent at heritage. >> there are plenty of women phds in america. i guess this guy has an infamous bell curve so he has a dubious parentage. >> charles murray tweeted today, thank goodness i was at aei when i wrote the bell curve, and then talking about how brave they were to publish it. so continue. >> the issue wasn't that he was fired, the issue was that he was hired knowingly by heritage with these views out of the ma mainstream by the pillar of conservatism of america. this wasn't just some obscure study off to the side, this was jim demint's coming out party with the new muscular heritage. so for them

there is an ignorant comment that now ties it into racism and assuming that race is is an issue for i.q buzz in social media and a lot of us were very tempted to send our harvard dip ploalomas to the heritage foundation for cross referencing. >> the co-author of the unscientific study had to give up his job, as you know, mr. richwine. that didn't stop congressman steve king from going out there today and citing that study. so, again, today -- >> it's denial. >> -- he's reaching out but citing a study that suggests you and your child -- i know you've had a child recently -- have an indod indodgenous intour yourty of i.q. that you'll never be able to resolve. >> if that's what's happening, guess what, the future of america looks that way because the kids that are growing fastest happen to be the brown kids. african-american. latinos. that is the future of america. those are the college enrollment numbers that are actually beating in double digits the other groups. so there is hope. it's ignorant. it's narrow minded and even our fellows from harvard are embarrassed to say this came out and

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herbicide glyphosate which is in products like been santo's round up and syngenta has touched down i.q. . our intent is really to provide a benefit to the chili producers and if we can give them a crop that allows them to farm or sustainably. allows on the farm more productively or predictably and that's our goal the phrases benefiting the farmer and feeding the hungry are used to justify increased input costs in pesticides and machinery to the detriment of agro ecological approaches but since those phrases came into vogue the u.s. farm population has been decimated today there are more prisoners in the u.s. than farmers worldwide more than one billion people are chronically hungry largely due. food price increases the genetically modified organism as that term as it's currently used really refers to organisms created through genetic engineering and most often it means introducing genes that are not within. the species pool the bacteria shoots genes into the plants the plant grows a big tumor that makes this really weird compound that only agger bacterium can eat and so ag bacterium se

american troops the people's daily considered a piece of china's communist party all badly claim to the i.q. peleg in an article written by academics japan quickly bagged denouncing the paper as a political tool and declaring its ownership of our beyond doubt it's the latest oratorial dispute to marry relations of between the two agent powers both also locked into contest over another island chain. right let's get more perspective on what time is hoping to achieve here with the op ed added to japan news a web site mr colbert a bold move on. china's part but realistically what it does beijing hope to gain here well i think we have to keep this in perspective in terms of a political in terms of actual political movement from this type of statement i don't think much is going to happen basically as you point out this is a study that's been released by some some academics and it has been published on the people's daily but i don't think we can say it's necessarily coming from the beijing government or that we would expect anything to to come of this from the internet on the international level

feel it can be easily dismissed torture i.q. stations all information about secret cia prisons i thought. sorry can you repeat the question why does the us feel that it can easily dismiss torture accusations all information that about secret cia prisons when it comes up . one when it comes to special forces you know it is very hard to access to them i mean media wise we have been not successful in the past i mean we have seen cases since two thousand and one always there has been problems. you know with special forces locals have you know complains all around the country most of the time that you know they do not. afghan government is not our vera bit and when you ask from the american military spokespersons are the media people at the have knew. always about your actions you write to afghan journalist the estimate becoming giving us just an update day on what's been happening in the case with the afghan aftertaste and which. by the pentagon is expecting the government to for god millions of dollars to finance long term work on

what dangers of a fine you may ask well a quarter of the folks at heritage hispanics have lower i.q. than the average americans and this alone should be the deciding factor when rethinking immigration policy now as insulting as this is a view traditionally shared by american leaders toward history racism still permeates through this country against immigrants that some people call a legal but do you know that the entire american southwest was mexico just one hundred sixty seven years ago yep california new mexico nevada utah arizona texas all of these states were mexico and what better day to commemorate this. irony of intolerance against mexican immigrants to day may thirteenth on the anniversary of the us declaring war on mexico so how did all go down well the answer to this question doesn't really jive well with our history books you see at the time american leaders believed in manifest destiny a philosophy that white american settlers were granted by god to expand across the continent it was that same rationale for the indian removal act that pushed native americans west of the m

we are so sensitive to individual differences in i.q., in age, in all of these different availables, psychopathy scores, whatever it is, we can develop beautiful pictures of these things. so the question is, how is the legal system going to deal with all of these different, you know, images and other types of things that we can now tell you about your brain and how is that going to change things? so i tend to view, you know, individuals who have brain differences for whatever reason worthy of developing better treatments for them that can help to remediate those problems. as psychologists, we study abnormal behavior. anita shows distribution, most of us in here. you get anybody out here who is externalizing or anyone out here who is internalizing, as a psychologist, we try to bring them back in here so they're more healthy. that's what we study. when you're having problems in your life or any other area, if we can do something, talking to you versus talk therapy or medicine that might help you, what we're trying to do is get everybody back here so we're just kind of more balanced. wi

well i agree with him believe me i agree with him very much i.q. big sales taxes low and this presents a quite a crowd under a bite frankly is is how do you extend the long arm jurisdiction of a state into another state's jurisdiction to collect that state believes as do them and i think the only way you do that is to allow for the federal authority to provide that that infrastructure and you know it is one thing i have to give credit to the sponsors of the market fairness act is that it is an option for the states to opt in or not opt in on it and i think that's what we're about we're saying if you want to extend your jurisdiction and you need the congressional over the federal authority to do so we'll provide you that infrastructure but it's really a states' rights issue as to whether they want to exercise that option and change their sales tax system simplify quite frankly in order to be able to collect across state lines now this is he who has gone all the way to the supreme court in the quote the says in there was a time and that a business mu

what we need is the high i.q. -- why are we importing all these low skilled people. >> lou: we know the reason we are in part because there is a land bridge. we know that is now a -- i would like you to listen what eric holder had to say about this issue. if we may on the fast citizenship. >> the way we treat our friends and neighbors who are undocumented by creating a mechanism for them to earn citizenship and move out of shadows transcends the issue of immigration status. this is matter of civil and human rights. >> lou: it's inspiring. i can't find any connection whatsoever to your civil rights or i haven't heard anyone suggest that people who are acting in contra investigation of your laws are somehow entitled to civil rights? >> people the people aren't americans. you are sinking the boat here. >> lou: why is it that the chamber of commerce, business roundtable, all of the elites on the right and left are combined? they spent, by the way, $1.5 billion from 2008 to 2012 lobbying on this one issue, more than an

. >> drum up your super i.q. and let's go! kirk out!>> do you want me to go? >> that would be highly illogical. as i'm already in the suit -- >> i'm kidding. >> jimmy: your boyfriend spok had to do a lot of eyebrow plucking. >> zach is a hoot when he's -- when his eyebrows are shaved. he has to shave his eyebrows, then they have to place individual little hairs on his eyebrows to give it that vulcan look. >> jimmy: yeah, that's a pain. >> such a drag. >> jimmy: you spk klingon in the movie. i know star trek fans are very serious about the klingon language. was it done seriously? >> here's the thing. i don't know if j.j. knew this and did it on purpose, but he probably knows. i'm a little clueless about certain things half of the time. so what i don't know will never hurt me. i had no idea of the importance that it was of who was going to be the first person to speak klingon in the movie. >> jimmy: it's very important. it's the most important thing in the world. >> well, that's what i've learned. exactly. but it made sense because i'm th

. >>> migraines and pregnancy, the new warning for expected moms and the link to a child's i.q. >>> and a potentially kwausly addition. why a bike lane can cost tens of thousands of dollars. we are back in a moment. >>> the new 49ers stadium could end up having something for everyone. officials are considering spending more than $56,000 to study whether they should paint a bike line outside the new stadium. the study will consider traffic routes. another potential item a new $3 million radio system for santa clara police to patrol the city and the stadium. >>> here is the big question. do you believe the warriors are in san antonio tonight tipping off round two of the playoffs. the bad news, the warriors don't like san antonio. they haven't won a game there since 1997. can it be that tough over there? here is lawrence scott. >> reporter: with the warriors in san antonio tipping off the nba playoff series with the spurs you get a sense that the fans are under estimating the warriors. >> we're totally going to win. >> i think the spurs are going to take it. but you never know. >> reporter

. >> you know it's a setup because the next study is going to be i.q. they're going to correlate it backwards. conservatives, don't get too high on this. >> if you go to the gym, if you're an athlete, you are dependent on results. if you lift this much weight, you watch yourself get bigger. if you're playing a sport, i follow a score. that doesn't work if you're a left winger. >> presumably a lot of these upper body guys who are voting conservative don't go to the gym and hang out in the steam room. they got that way from lifting iron ingets -- >> i don't work out in the steam room. i work it there. >> we have to move on. >> why should we move on? >> if you have a video of your animal doing something -- not like the cat because the cat was a little disturbing to me. or is it because i like the cat that it was disturbing? i don't know anymore. i think i'm falling apart. >> still to come, the halftime report. what a welcome back from andy leyy. oh, god. >> thanks, cheeseburgers. angie's list is essential. i automatically go there. at angie's list, you'll

quote, the average i.q. of immigrants in the united states is substantially lower than the white native population. the difference is likely to persist over several generations. al, it's -- >> that is a swamp when you -- is that true of asian immigrants? it's a prelude what is going to happen. i tell you a story i find the most interesting of all potentially. that is ted cruz versus marco rubio. if that happens the ambitious cuban americans, if that happens bring home the prize in 2016 i think it will get past the committee. >> what is important about the heritage study is that republicans basically took the -- >> right. >> that is -- >> listen, this guy, obviously, has some, you know, crazy beliefs that he put in a dissertation a while back but it's heartening for reform advocates to see rubio say this study does not have legitimacy and we should ignore it because it gives the clearest indication today they are committed to it making sure this happens in part because they see this census data too. >> what d

it was entitled i.q. immigration policy. he claimed the i.q.ulation. this just after a study about the supposed cost of immigration reform. heritage has denounced his comments, but he says he doesn't apologize for what he wrote, only how he wrote it. they have already cost republicans at least one hispanic voter. in an e-mail published by the florida native. he revealed the comments and other anti-immigrant sentiment from republicans caused him to leave the party. he says in hopes that it mr. soon pass and be forgotten. we now know why ben jones, a former georgia congressman who may remember as cooter from the dukes of of hazard. he didn't appear at a fund-raiser for his old colleague. they invited jones and his band to play at the event he says he believes they are highly offensive and should not be displayed. he hit back on wednesday, saying rather than a serious discussion about the use of symbols and the context of symbols, the argument has been boiled down to something like this. we believe flag bad, racist. me good, not racist. we know te

and apolitical leader, massive i.q., you are probably going to be a tremendous failure. reagan had a tremendous temperament. he had a pretty decent ikea. he had some fundamental convictions that philosophically were correct, but he had an inability to deal with that. he had an inability to make practical choices when he and his advisers were divided. when his advisers agreed and took the decisions and, "here are three choices. we go for the middle." he was ok. sitting at the oval office desk for hours once, let's say to wonder $20 billion in spending. he wanted to wonder and $50 billion. he could not decide. we would make our arguments. he could not make the decision. i finally gave in because it was embarrassing. the president of the united states could not make a decision. that was his problem. when it came really too tough choices. social security. there was massive waste because there were too many dead people still getting benefits, so we were demonstrating to him that that was not the problem. the problem was there were too many affluent retirees getting benefits.

have affairs all the time, they get over them and, yeah, in terms of, you know, raising the average i.qof the house caucus by a point on two, he'll be good. it's a low bar glen thrush. we have to leave it there. thank you to all. luke russert is in for me tomorrow, so stay tuned on this channel. "andrea mitchell reports" is coming up next. .. and that much freshness is gonna take some getting used to... [ sniffing ] yep. it's amazing what a single scoop of gain freshness can do. our seafood dinner for two for just 25 dollars! first get salad and cheddar bay biscuits. then choose from a variety of seafood entrées. plus choose either an appetizer or a dessert to share. offer ends soon at red lobster! where we sea food differently. plus choose either an appetizer or a dessert to share. for sein a whole new way. for seeing what cash is coming in and going out... so you can understand every angle of your cash flow- last week, this month, and even next year. for seeing your business's cash flow like never before, introducing cash flow insight powered by pnc cfo. a suite of online tools that l

with his limited i.q. made fun of the french all the time because they wouldn't back him on his stupid war. go to france, if you only get one vacation a month, go watch the train systems over there. you're under the english channel about 20 minutes. what do we got? amtrak. it's like a buckboard. i said it last night. the rickyiest old trains in the world. i like it because you get to relax for a couple hours. but it is an old system. why can't we compete? >> we can. we can compete. reid felix wrote in "bold endeavors" every economic crisis this country has ever faced has been solved with one thing. building things. america needs to get back into the business of repairing and recovering. look, when the president of the united states tried to take us out of this new depression with the american recovery act, what did republicans do? they voted against it and did everything they could to take it down. now, look, now is a chance for republicans to quit trying to obstruct, stop trying to get in the way of infra

on i.q. they found a modest impact.oms formula fed their newborns and the kids seemed to turn out pretty well. it turns out breast-feeding is still a good thing but worth the guilt and judgment we give ourselves? probably not. in fact, it seems like much of our mommy guilt is some weird mixture of our desire to be perceived ad ed as a certain ki mom based on societal norms and not based on science for what's best to for our kids. as for the sushi and wine, in japan, expecting moms are encouraged to eat sushi as part of a healthy prenatal diet. there's no evidence that a small am of alcohol consumed infrequently causes any kind of problem for baby. hardcore alcohol abuse, of course, definitely bad. a glass of wine with dinner on occasion, well, just ask a french mom how problematic that is. let's cut ourselveses a little bit of slack and savor a little soft cheese from time to time. this mom of one and soon to be two is certainly not going to judge. >> bravo. >> that does it for "the cycle." martin bashir, it's all yours

problem this is the eleventh plague multi-tasking it's making us dumber there are studies that show your i.q. actually goes down when you multi-task it's bad for driving you know we get into accidents it makes you more depressed less able to empathize so it is a real problem so this was my attempt to try to just do one thing at a time like when i met when i was eating just trying to focus on eating which drove my wife crazy as well because she wanted to have a conversation i said let me just taste the food but it was a it was a fascinating project a very zen way of life actually yes i had a very good then then a moment to let's go back to the life locking you downloaded all the video right that you recorded every minute of your day right but all the tronic communication the u.s. we are told is recorded and stored for security purposes usually it's the federal government or the n.s.a. that has the over the recordings maybe it's what people are searching on the internet there's a lot of cameras on the streets that are recording us when we don't know about it what are the risks of that do you b

that probably didn't add i.q.ods tweeted his reaction to sergio garcia's fried chicken comment this week. woods said the comment was not silly. it was inappropriate. it was hurtful but he's confident there is real regret that sergio made the remark. and in a series of tweets, he went on to say it is time to move on and just talk about golf and play golf. sergio did apologize yesterday. he said he felt sick to his stomach about what he said. he is sorry and he hopes we can move on. >> bill: i think it is time for both sergio and tiger to get back to the game of golf. stop this little -- >> if you can't trash talk without making racist remarks then don't trash talk. other than that, i'm okay with the trash talk. >> bill: i'm okay with taking on tiger woods and not having to worship at the altar of tiger woods but the racist remarks don't cut it, indeed. you know, we're proud to be part of the line-up out in madison wisconsin, on 92.1, the mic. one of the great progressive forces in madison and around the country, pr

conservatives want to hear as to why we need background check your i.q. so you know what mental illness is cannot get access to a universal background that have nothing. and you want to live the story i give you would be a penalty now let's go back to the five year old got his two year old system has my first rifle. i want you to find your first one on sandy hook do you realize that the background check the different background checks that were proposed in this legislation would not have stopped sandy hook senator feinstein actually said that morning so you're going to believe she had to know that's a point on they read the thing even though the senator feinstein's bill was more comprehensive than the toomey mentioned compromise and it would have the senator feinstein that would have stopped. it from happening because we have banned high capacity magazines we would have to reload at least twice to kill all those people talking about the background check that at least had a better generationally was the background check bill in the senate do you recognize

revealed that his graduate school thesis argued for restricting immigration policies according to racial i.q. scores. believe it or not some people are actually supporting his recent column for world net daily paleo conservative pat buchanan defended rich one against the attacks of the liberal media and actually went so far as to endorse those arguments he wrote yet span aside not one hispanic nation from which a plurality of our immigrants come was among the top forty in reading science or math these folks are going to come here and make us number one again is there a greater underclass behavior among hispanics the crime rate of bunk hispanics is about three times that of white americans while the asian crime white is about a third that avoids things like social darwinism is alive and well in twenty first century conservative politics and that is just very very. box so-called news is heavily populated by left overs from the bush administration like former political hitman karl rove former press secretaries dana perino and ari fleischer bush's vice president dick cheney and former defense se

statute cannot into nuchhi, with i.q. ought to join me in welcoming and most delightful woman. [applause] >> that's the kindest introduction i've ever had here. thank you so much, when he. downstairs i have a few blog posts i've done on the election. you can read them. they're in great detail and depth. little bits and pieces from them. i want to start out with the fact about what really happened in this election. the facts usually pakistan are little hazy in a little fudgy and a little hard to come by. so this was the first time a civilian elected government completed a five-year term and handed over power at the ballot box. and pakistan's 66 years this has never happened before. the government entranced usually by the army. so they never did fall term. the reason i wanted to be there was because the excitement this election generated is unprecedented and has been in pakistan and people is that it really doesn't make a difference whether we vote or not. most people don't vote. in this particular election, the number is not quite solid that between 55% to 65% of the election vo