from iain duncan smith , says that tory leader, quotation from iain duncan smith , says that he'storyr, quotation from iain duncan smith , says that he's aty leader, quotation from iain duncan smith , says that he's at his ader, quotation from iain duncan smith , says that he's at his rishi who says that he's at his rishi sunak this is at best when sunak this is at his best when he's a conservative of nicholas. i mean , what do you make of that? >> well, as a you know, i could be the typical conservative voter, right? >> yes. i'm just hoping this is not too late, not too little, too late, because with all due respect, the policy taken the rwanda policy has not taken off, if you pardon the pun . off, if you pardon the pun. >> i do not. as we might see you do. >> pardon or no, i do not. pardon the pun. i don't like puns. carry on for that. >> it's early in the show. >> it's early in the show. >> it's early in the show. >> it is. i'll try to redeem myself towards the end for there down we will see that this government is poised to raise taxes. yes. to the highest level in peacetime . tax

the house iain duncan smith, i remember one we've debates the house iain duncan smith, i remember oneiain duncan smith, i remember one we've got toes the house iain duncan smith, i remember one we've got to have he house said we've got to have a combination of stick and carrot and somebody side and somebody on on your side said, want a said, well, we really want is a carrot shaped stick. >> and think there has to be >> and i think there has to be an element, if not coercion, but certainly actually discipline in the way that it is reviewed at the way that it is reviewed at the moment. i think it's every it's even every year when it's not even every year when people actually reassess their benefits, but it does need to be reassessed . but at the moment, reassessed. but at the moment, if you look the if you actually look at the statistics, stage statistics, it comes to a stage where payments overtake statistics, it comes to a stage when so payments overtake statistics, it comes to a stage wher

there are other senior figures like iain duncan smith if it's at— figures like iain duncan smith if it's the uk has to be much more cautious, much more hawkish _ to be much more cautious, much more hawkish the _ to be much more cautious, much more hawkish. the context of these arrests — hawkish. the context of these arrests in _ hawkish. the context of these arrests in this report on the sunday times, _ arrests in this report on the sunday times, alongside what we are hearing from the _ times, alongside what we are hearing from the british banister in his conversations with the chinese, gives— conversations with the chinese, gives you — conversations with the chinese, gives you some sense of the concern at the _ gives you some sense of the concern at the heart — gives you some sense of the concern at the heart of government about what _ at the heart of government about what has — at the heart of government about what has happened in recent months, these _ what has happened in recent months, these arrests date back to march, and what — these arrests date back to march, and what it — these

iain duncan _ not change its behaviour. it is a warning. iain duncan smithpuzzling about this _ not know, one thing that is puzzling about this as we are told the two people _ about this as we are told the two people were arrested in march, six months _ people were arrested in march, six months ago, as neither appear to have _ months ago, as neither appear to have been— months ago, as neither appear to have been charged and we do not know whether— have been charged and we do not know whether that is because the police are continuing inquiries where they have decided there was not enough evidence _ have decided there was not enough evidence tojustify have decided there was not enough evidence to justify charges, we simply— evidence to justify charges, we simply do _ evidence to justify charges, we simply do not know. something will have to _ simply do not know. something will have to be — simply do not know. something will have to be said pretty clearly and soon _ have to be said pretty clearly and soon to _ have to be said pretty clearly and soon to explain

former prime minister liz truss and former party leader sir iain duncan smith are among those to have among those to have signed up , along with seven have signed up, along with seven former cabinet ministers. the promise means they won't vote for the chancellor's autumn statement if it contains tax rises, putting pressure on rishi sunak ahead of the conservative party . conference the prime party. conference the prime minister, meanwhile, says he's slamming the brakes on the war on motorists. rishi sunak , who's on motorists. rishi sunak, who's expected to address the issue this week, told the sun that harebrained schemes like low traffic neighbourhoods and 20mph zones were being forced on drivers. the department for transport says guidance will be reviewed to prevent their blanket use in england . and the blanket use in england. and the transport secretary mark harper says today's strike by train drivers is clearly political and planned to coincide with the tory party conference. aslef members at 16 operators in england have walked out in a long running dispute over pay, jobs and co

if you want to find out the views of iain duncan smith or alicia kearns, you can just tune in to 6b newsm anyway. so aren't the chinese slightly over complicating their spying networks? well, they are. >> i suspect what they're interested in here is not so much the public views of british politicians, which, as you say, we many examples of. we can find many examples of. but who are they to ? talking who but who are they to? talking who is giving them information , is giving them information, particularly obviously the chinese well be interested chinese might well be interested in citizens of china are in which citizens of china are perhaps communicating perhaps privately communicating criticism of the government , criticism of the government, information about the treatment of, say, uyghurs in xinjiang and so on. so it's not so much the high profile person themselves as the people with low profiles and the people who want to keep and the people who want to keep a discreet distance, who they know. >> all right. well thank you very much, mark. i've still got my panel with me, dr. david sta

i'm now joined by the former conservative party leader, sir iain duncan smith . leader, sir iain duncanu very much for joining me this evening. how worried should we be about north korea and russia forming a close alliance? they've been friends for a long period, but does this does this change anything for ukraine as far as you see it? >> well, i think it does. yeah. i think it should be very worrying what's going on is a way of russia trying to get hold of ammunition and spare parts that it's running through very quickly and unable to replace at the scale of their loss. so nonh the scale of their loss. so north korea is after our technology that will allow them to develop their own arsenal of nuclear weapons and also under the guise of sending satellite into space. but they're not really interested in that so much as spying on people. but more for the technology that goes with the building of rockets and the building of sats flights. but there is a bigger issue it's the link issue here, jacob. it's the link between the china and north korea. what we've got here is a little bit of a shu

so despite the concerns from iain duncan smith , he's the lead duncan smith, he's the lead china hawkge, a westminster in his language, a westminster based chinese intelligence cell operating around this building. there appears to be little that the government or even parliament wants to do about it, and that's quite puzzling for the technology secretary, michelle donelan . michelle donelan. >> she suggested that the government is aware that there are lessons that need to be learned from this . learned from this. >> yeah, they say that, don't they? but of course china is very, very important to the uk economy and what's happened in the past decade . ten years ago the past decade. ten years ago we had david cameron flying a jet of ceos to china to do trade deals . i was jet of ceos to china to do trade deals. i was on the flight. i remember it flying off to shanghai then that was when they were trying to get onside with china . then under boris johnson china. then under boris johnson and latterly liz truss, they became a threat or seem to be a threat to the uk. and now rishi sunakis th

there are other senior conservative figures — like iain duncan smith, a former party leader — who thinksthe uk has to be much more cautious, much more hawkish. and i think the context of these arrests in this report on the sunday times, alongside what we're hearing from the british prime minister in his conversations with the chinese, gives you some sense of the concern at the heart of government about what has happened in recent months. these arrests date back to march. and what it might say about what china is trying to do in terms of interference, in terms of evidence—gathering potentially within the british parliament, and how that should recalibrate, as some would see it, the relationship that london has with beijing. yes, so going forward, then, how do they do that in the coming months, especially when they look towards an election? it's really, really tricky. really tricky. and what we've seen in the uk in the last six or seven years... and excuse the noise, we're at the airport here in delhi. the uk delegation plane which i need to get in a few minutes is taxiing past us, hopeful

a short while ago i spoke to conservative mp and former party leader iain duncan smith.t. here's what he said. well, first of all, this is not the first time that parliament has been penetrated. there was another case, i think the mp barry gardiner had an individual who was linked, as the authorities believed, to a breach in security to deal with china. so this time round it shouldn't surprise us at all. in the organisation i set out with the inter—parliamentary alliance on china, which is international, has 32 countries and is cross—party throughout. you know, our sites are attacked regularly. many of us are sanctioned and i have and i'm sure others do, a man who was referred to as a wolf warrior, a low level operative who tries to replicate who i am, goes around the world putting false information out. so it's not surprising, but they're doing that all the time. and the problem we've got, i think, right now is that our policy towards china isn't the same as the rest of our allies because it starts with a much weaker position, which is they are only an epoch—defining ch

former prime minister liz truss and former party leader sir iain duncan smith are among those to have signed up, along with seven former cabinet ministers the promise means they won't vote for the chancellor's autumn statement if it contains tax rises . putting pressure on rishi rises. putting pressure on rishi sunak ahead of the conservative party conference. jeremy hunt has told the times he wants to stop the vicious cycle of ever rising taxes , but ruled out tax rising taxes, but ruled out tax cuts in the short term. former party chairman sir jake berry, who's organised the pledge , says who's organised the pledge, says it holds the chancellor to his word and all too often we have seen these promises and pledges made by mps across the political divide that haven't materialised, that is why this tax pledge is different. >> it isn't connected to the conservative party. it is a direct pledge from me and my constituents in rossendale and dannen and to the british people that i will not vote to put taxes up. it's for keeps. it is a pledge that i will stick to as long as i am a member of

former prime minister liz truss and former party leader sir iain duncan smith are among those to have signed up along with seven former cabinet ministers the promise means they won't vote for the chancellor's autumn statement if it contains tax rises. putting pressure on rishi sunak ahead of the conservative party conference. jeremy hunt has told the times he wants to stop the vicious circle of ever rising taxes, but ruled out tax cuts in the short term . former cuts in the short term. former party chairman sir jake cuts in the short term. former party chairman sirjake berry , party chairman sir jake berry, who has organised the pledge, says it holds the chancellor to his word all too often we have seen these promises and pledges made by mps across the political divide that haven't materialised. >> that is why this tax pledge is different. it isn't connected to the conservative party . it is to the conservative party. it is a direct pledge from me to my constituents in rossendale and dannen and to the british people that i will not vote to put taxes up. it's for keeps. it is a pledge

former prime minister liz truss and former party leader sir iain duncan smith are among those to have signed up , along those to have signed up, along with seven former cabinet ministers. the promise means they won't vote for the chancellor's autumn statement if it contains us tax rises. putting further pressure on rishi sunak ahead of the conservative party conference, jeremy hunts told the times he wants to stop the vicious circle of ever rising taxes, but has ruled out cuts in the short term. former party chairman sir jake berry, who organised the pledge, says it holds the chancellor to his word. all too often we have seen these promises and pledges made by mps across the political divide that haven't materialised. >> that is why this tax pledge is different. it isn't connected to the conservative party. it is a direct pledge from me to my constituents in rossendale and dannen and to the british people that i will not vote to put taxes up. it's for keeps. it is a pledge that i will stick to as long as i am a member of parliament. >> well, the prime minister, meanwhile, says he's sl

former prime minister liz truss and former party leader sir iain duncan smith are among those to have signed up , along those to have signed up, along with seven former cabinet ministers. the promise means they won't vote for the chancellor's autumn statement if it contains us tax rises. putting further pressure on rishi sunak ahead of the conservative party conference, jeremy hunts told the times he wants to stop the vicious circle of ever rising taxes, but has ruled out cuts in the short term. former party chairman sir jake berry, who organised the pledge, says it holds the chancellor to his word. all too often we have seen these promises and pledges made by mps across the political divide that haven't materialised. >> that is why this tax pledge is different. it isn't connected to the conservative party. it is a direct pledge from me to my constituents in rossendale and dannen and to the british people that i will not vote to put taxes up. it's for keeps. it is a pledge that i will stick to as long as i am a member of parliament. >> well, the prime minister, meanwhile, says he's sl

former prime minister liz truss and sir iain duncan smith, former party leader , are amongst former party leader, are amongst those who have signed up along with seven former cabinet ministers the promise means they won't vote for the chancellor's autumn statement if it contains tax rises . putting further tax rises. putting further pressure on rishi sunak ahead of the conservative party conference. jeremy hunt, the chancellor has told the times today he wants to stop the vicious circle of ever rising taxes , but has ruled out cuts in taxes, but has ruled out cuts in the short term. all too often we have seen these promises and pledges made by mps across the political divide that haven't materialised. >> that is why this tax pledge is different. it isn't connected to the conservative party. it is a direct pledge from me and my constituents in rossendale and dannen and to the british people that i will not vote to put taxes up. it's for keeps. it is a pledge that i will stick to as long as i am a member of parliament. >> meanwhile, the prime minister says he is slamming the brakes on the w

former prime minister liz truss and former party leader sir iain duncan smith are among those to have have signed up, along with seven former cabinet ministers. the promise means they won't vote for the chancellor's autumn statement if it contains us tax rises. putting further pressure on rishi sunak ahead of the conservative party conference, jeremy hunts told the times he wants to stop the vicious circle of ever rising taxes, but has ruled out cuts in the short term. former party chairman sir jake berry, who organised the pledge, says it holds the chancellor to his word. all too often we have seen these promises and pledges made by mps across the political divide that haven't materialised. >> that is why this tax pledge is different. it isn't

former minister sir iain duncan smith claims that ministerial cars may well have been tracked by thek ministers have been banned from using tiktok , a been banned from using tiktok, a social media platform being run by a chinese company and was deemed a risk to security . but deemed a risk to security. but it's not only china that poses a challenge in the human intestine . science wars in march last yean . science wars in march last year, the uk, together with the us and other allies, exposed historic cyber hacking by russia's federal security service, which replaced the kgb . meanwhile, back in february , a . meanwhile, back in february, a british embassy security guard was jailed for spying for russia . so the government continuing to insist that china is a challenge not wanting to deem it a threat, despite plenty of evidence, some would say that, in fact, it is a threat . in fact, it is a threat. >> now, the deputy prime minister oliver dowden, in the house of commons yesterday did say that there was a strong case. he thought, for putting china on an enhanced tier of what they cal

and, you know, i'm not going to go down the iain duncan smith route and praise those that break the law won't do that i can't do that. i won't do that . but let me tell you, you know, i live down, as, you know, little italy at the furthest point from central london where the cameras are . these this, the cameras are. these this, this, this this revolt, the cameras are. these this, this, this this revolt , this, this, this this revolt, this, this, this this revolt, this, this this is barely started. this has barely started . this is this has barely started. this is something very, very big. it's as big as the poll tax protests and riots that we had back in 1990. we're being pushed too far. the poor are being taxed and small businesses are being hurt . we're being told to bow hurt. we're being told to bow down before the god of net zero and to hear kemi badenoch yesterday, who i thought was one of the better conserved lives, saying we have to go on being reliant on china. otherwise we can't meet our net zero targets. i mean , i mean, god help us. i mean, i mean, god help us. >> no, i thin

and, you know, i'm not going to go down the iain duncan smith route and praise those that break the law won't do that i can't do that. i won't do that . but let me tell you, you know, i live down, as, you know, little italy at the furthest point from central london where the cameras are . these this, the cameras are. these this, this, this this revolt, the cameras are. these this, this, this this revolt , this, this, this this revolt, this, this, this this revolt, this, this this is barely started. this has barely started . this is this has barely started. this is something very, very big. it's as big as the poll tax protests and riots that we had back in 1990. we're being pushed too far. the poor are being taxed and small businesses are being hurt . we're being told to bow hurt. we're being told to bow down before the god of net zero and to hear kemi badenoch yesterday, who i thought was one of the better conserved lives, saying we have to go on being reliant on china. otherwise we can't meet our net zero targets. i mean , i mean, god help us. i mean, i mean, god help us. >> no, i thin

i'm not surprised and i do think there is great vulnerability that people like sir iain duncan smithin the spad culture. so the special personal adviser i want to go back to your first point there. >> you're sort of implying we're actually very late to come to the table here because if they're already sort of filtering right the way through from the top down through sort of academics, through sort of top defence people, through politicians, and now we're only raising the alarm when they get to the lowest of the low, which is a parliamentary researcher. is it too late to do anything? >> no, i don't think it's necessarily too late. that's anything what i would like anything but what i would like to say very bluntly to you, to your first question, is a very rude remark about the pope and his religious belief comes to mind . is the his religious belief comes to mind. is the pope, you his religious belief comes to mind . is the pope, you know, why mind. is the pope, you know, why are we hearing about this now? it's been going for on years and years and years . the dutch have years and yea

liz truss spoke sir iain duncan smith, china hawks asking why the government wasn't doing more , sayingd around westminster. now there's no indication of what the government might do more to do this. they were told by the speaker couldn't discuss speaker they couldn't discuss the raised sunday the case, raised in the sunday times yesterday , and there's no times yesterday, and there's no indication of what further the government it also government is doing. it also said julian who chairs said julian lewis, who chairs the intelligence and security committee , that's the committee, that's the parliamentary watchdog that oversees the security services. they put their report into the government a few months ago about china. no response so far. in fact, the briefing at the time, it out of date. time, was it was out of date. well, it doesn't feel very out of date now, given it's been raised in parliament and there's lots faces on tory lots of concern. faces on tory backbenches. >> there was lots >> yeah and chris there was lots of of going over the of kind of going back over the greatest of w

iain duncan smith's very sound on this and i do think that we've got to treat china almost as well.fact, just as bad as badly as we do russia in terms of the perception and how we deal with them. but we should continue talking. it's when you stop talking, things get worse . yes. talking, things get worse. yes. >> how do you think rishi sunak did at the g20 in india? >> well, i mean, modi was his great friend . they're both, of great friend. they're both, of course, practising hindu . so if course, practising hindu. so if you saw the picture of the incredible bear hug modi gave him , they're obviously close him, they're obviously close friends . i personally thought it friends. i personally thought it was a very odd time to announce the £16 billion to go into the green climate fund when at the same time back home, he's saying we may have to cut benefits for people . well, once again, it people. well, once again, it seems to me that although sunak is a very intelligent man when it comes to making government announcements and explaining the rationale, they are very poor at it. but that

there's very that although there's a very noisy china hawk group in the tory backbenches led by iain duncan smithyers in number ten think that's very number ten think that's a very small of people and more small group of people and more broadly , there is a recognition broadly, there is a recognition you must talk to china and talk to them. and part of that is bringing them bringing them to this ai conference. it's this major ai conference. it's probably all our interest probably in all our interest that that that china is in that conversation . conversation. >> all right. thank you, chris. you know, honestly, i just what's a day when i wish i was gin in here and not coffee? because it just despair? i just despair. 2019 we had chris skidmore signing this letter , skidmore signing this letter, inflation, bragging about the fact that we were going to be the first, first, first western country, the first major economy to pass net zero emissions law. we're so happy we're the first nafion we're so happy we're the first nation to destroy our country on the route to the religion that is net zero. before

of concern in the building behind me among some hawkish tory mps in particular, people like iain duncan smith in fact this one alleged chinese spy, fact this one alleged chinese spy, we should say, he has denied any wrongdoing and he is yet to be charged with any offence, but that he might be one of others, that there could be several people working within parliament, ostensibly for the uk who are actually working on behalf of the chinese. now this, of course, is very worrying, rishi sunak said that at the g20 he spoke to the chinese . pm made he spoke to the chinese. pm made it clear that such behaviour was totally unacceptable . oliver totally unacceptable. oliver dowden, the deputy prime minister, is saying there's a strong case to place china on this , this foreign influence this, this foreign influence registration scheme. now if they did that, basically china would be deemed a potential risk to uk safety and interests and the consequence of that would be if they were put on this list that people working for the chinese state or companies with links to the chinese state would be obuged t

although there are some china hawks, notably some noisy china hawks, notably former party leader iain duncan smithent sees it, are, as the government sees it, in quite a minority and the frustration i think, is that the uk government hasn't really expressed what on earth is a policy on china. have policy on china. you have got various parliamentary committees raising concerns about it. but i think i think what should happen and may happen from the pm rishi sunak, oliver dowden and kemi badenoch, the trade secretary, as you say , there'll be further as you say, there'll be further to try to emphasise the importance to china of china, to the eu, to uk's interests. the eu, to the uk's interests. but, but, but working with them in careful, wary way . in a very careful, wary way. >> this whole episode, chris, is also raising questions about security at westminster and the security at westminster and the security clearances that go on and actually whether it's enough. yeah that's right. >> i've just been having some lunch in parliament and walk back and i can walk through with my pass i swipe it or go i

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and so, you know, people like iain duncan smith have been saying for a long time, we need to be much,licia cairns, the chair of the foreign affairs select committee, now she's one of the mps that this researcher had allegedly worked in the office of, the other one being tom tugendhat, the security minister. though worth saying this parliamentary researcher was not working for him when he became security minister. both of them say that they never actually met this chap , but real questions about chap, but real questions about parliamentary security, the suggestion is not that this person was sort of stealing secrets, but rather trying to influence mps get get influence by being there in the middle. so it's a very difficult balancing act, isn't it ? it's a very difficult balancing act, isn't it? rishi sunak was trying to find the sort of goldilocks spot with china. obviously we've got huge links with them. they've invested vast amounts of money here and around the world. we do a lot of business with them. but the way that they operate leaves a lot to be desired. >> what price? catherine

of the elephant in the room here is the reason why people iain people don't listen to iain duncan inside duncan smith. we don't make anything anymore. china is the workshop of the world. if we had economic decoupling from china, the inflation we saw 12 months ago would be like child's play. we'd be seeing 2,025% inflation. that's why the tories don't want to do anything on china and i think, frankly, political think, frankly, the political class to honest with class needs to be honest with the electorate that the electorate about that because expensive because we've had expensive energy. we did something energy. if we did something similar what we've done to similar with what we've done to russia, china, we'd have russia, with china, we'd have expensive everything . and i expensive everything. and i think it's important politicians are upfront about that. >> ben habib isn't that the point? jinping didn't even point? xi jinping didn't even turn up to the g20 because he knows a talking shop . knows it's just a talking shop. he's never there in person and isn't this a case of rishi can talk as tough as

people on china, which is what people on the of the party, iain the right of the party, iain duncan others, have duncan smithrrow out of a trip that's been bit lacklustre . been a bit lacklustre. >> but on the on the spy issue, that's couple of inside that's made a couple of inside pages. that's made a couple of inside pages . well, because so old. >> well , it's not really. >> well, it's not really. i mean, the sunday times have splashed it, haven't they? >> have they? >> have they? >> you think it's the front >> do you think it's the front of it's a big of the sunday times? it's a big story picked up. story that's being picked up. i think now they're adding some rocket to because the rocket fuel to it because the prime now of prime minister is now sort of saying china . saying he's taken on china. >> yeah, don't you think >> yeah, but but don't you think that this has always that possibly this has always happened? can't happened? i mean, i can't imagine parliament where there imagine a parliament where there haven't been people who've been parliamentary chairs parliamentary research chairs with dodgy backg