so steve barclay today saying on the 75th anniversary of the health service , it's of the health service, it's evolution, not revolution . ianl pride. and he said he was committed to the model of free at the point of use. >> but it comes as the country's three main health think tanks warn that the nhs won't make its 100th birthday without support . 100th birthday without support. and this is just a day after former health secretary sajid javid called for a royal commission. >> now, earlier on the programme we had the health minister, maria caulfield, who was also trained as a nurse , and she told trained as a nurse, and she told us that it's about what you do with the money, not how much you spend. >> in my experience, it isn't just about how much money you spend on the nhs, it's how you spend on the nhs, it's how you spend soi spend on the nhs, it's how you spend so i don't want to be spend it. so i don't want to be too political, but when too party political, but when labour government labour in government they spent a amount money trying to a huge amount of money trying to roll system , spent roll out an it system, spent