and ian fleming spent a lot of time as i said with these spies. one of the ones that was a very charismatic spy, his name was wilfred. he was called if he -- biffie. in the 1930s he was head of the paris station. he was known for chasing pretty women and driving fast cars and for his tremendous charm and savoir-faire. wilfred would sit and talk, tell ian fleming a lot of adventures of his, his secret adventures. and at one point he told ian fleming it seemed the stories he'd been telling him showed up in the next movie of james bond. the james bond is certainly the one who has been spying, a known activity in this country. so who are two gentlemen your, a scholar and a spy. so, sir john. sir john or professor jeffrey, who would like to start the conversation? >> do i need to speak into the microphone? >> yes. >> okay, right. well, it's a fantastic and wonderful privilege and pleasure to be in this name is bookstore, because everywhere i went they said what are you doing in the united states, and i was that i'm going to this bookstore you won't hav