the panel you just herd, rick perillen steen, leonard pitts and professor ian haney lopez. professor lopez, dos dog whistle politics is joining us to do a coll call-in program with our national tv audience. >> professor ian haney lopez. a lot of conversation on this panel about -- can you give an example of what something that was said on fox news that is a dog whistle politic? >> guest: i think it's appropriate to pay attention to fox news because i think fox news is a megaphone for racial fear so you wouldn't name just one thing. you'd name the constant. [drumming] beat. worry about muslims as potential terrorists in the middle east and the hearland, worry about whether the president himself is a muslim. worry about undocumented immigrants framed in the language of illegal aliens. worries about this idea that undocumented emts are coming across the border to take over the country; fox news places up this idea there's a reconquest going on. all of these sorts of conversations are dog whistles and let's be clear. this dog whys until a sense that on the surface they're not ex

the panel you just heard, rick perlstein, leonard pitts and ian haney lopez. ian haney lopez, dog whistle politics is the name of his book, joining us in two seconds to a call in program with our national tv audience. 202 is the area code 748-8200. in the east and central time zone 748-8201 if you live in the mountain and pacific time zones. professor ian haney lopez. a lot of conversation about fox news. can you give an example of something said on fox news that is a dog whistle? >> i think it is appropriate to pay attention to fox news because it serves as a megaphone for racial fears. >> would not name just one thing but the constant drum beat. worry about muslims as potential terrorists not just in the middle east but in the heartland. worry about whether the president himself is a muslim. worry about undocumented immigrants framed in the language of illegal aliens. worry about this idea that undocumented immigrants are coming across the border to take over the country. fox news plays up this idea there is that conquest going on. all of these conversations

. >> host: and ian haney lopez was on this program yesterday from tucson, and david maraniss of "the washington post" is our guest today. we're talking about the obama administration and politics. coming up next is susan in eureka california. good morning. >> caller: hi, i am a liberal democrat and this question may be off course, but why wasn't jesse jackson in selma and why hasn't anybody mentioned it or interviewed him? >> host: well, david maraniss, the if you could answer that, but also in your first comments on this panel to the you brought up the issue of race. >> guest: i did. and all of my, all of the books i've written race is the major thread that runs through them. and i think, as i said, it is still the central scar of american life. why jesse jackson was there i'm curious why you would even care. i think that, you know a celebrity, so-called celebrity being there whether it's al sharpton or jesse jackson is by no means the point of some demonstration like that. i think that the president being there meant something. i think the people who weren't there, the republican l