of course he gets okay, well the white house had some commentary about the icbc as well. uh, they say i see doesn't have jurisdiction. the conflict. an arrest warrant is outrages as we've already discussed. but in late april, prior to these warrants, a group of republican senators issued a threat to the i c. c. and specifically to the prosecute of green cross. that's what he said. he said target is real and we will target you if you move forward. we will move to end all american support for the i, c c section your employees and associates and bar. you and your families from the united states. you have been born in the us, the beach present nixon to effect justice on the beach done on pump for the site for all protecting, just double time. yeah. yeah. so is it us and going to affect the measurement draft? is that what they are doing? that's gonna leave if it was doing this like this thing isn't unfairly targeted and you don't have the jurisdiction, but the incentive to not national senate child, she's not back in the gosh darn core for doing something with us with the prof

now, the icbc is embarking on an unprecedented join. and, and one of the most high profile cases that ever had since it's the establishment in 2002, despite all the pressure coming from the united states, for example. and also criticism for from countries like germany who are wondering if the court has the jurisdiction to prosecute the has decided to go ahead with this case. what will now happened is that the pre trial chamber judges would have to decide if the request for the arrest warrants all valid. so that will definitely also add the jurisdiction of the court. and we know that since 2021, this court has decided that this can a rule over cases that happen crime. so it has been committed in the palestinian territories, although it's route, it's not a signatory of their own statute. so these charges will have to decide, probably within a few weeks, what then happens if they really decide to issue these arrest warrants than the $124.00 members of will have signatories assigned to the wrong set. you will have to arrest these people whe

but genocide is clearly another headache the icbc can deal with. so it's a, it's a very important obligation. i just want to make this point that israel has a history of a good know, ring of the institutions that are being such a legal nation's united nations. the charge uh you're paying conventions of ignoring knows where israel is being accused in 2004. there was a very important case. it's called the wall where they were held to be an awfully building a wall separating right through the occupied territories. they don't start guys, have a, did they do anything about it because that take down the well, the cause that to the rest of the well made sure they take down the what did they do? so now they're just the opposite. here it is. that is where i will ignore all of it . busy a be offensive in the way it describes what because it's trying to do well that you, in a sense, the united nations at the end of the 2nd world war wanted to do was to bring in a system whereby you do not have to stand by and watch thousands of people being mastic, or let me

i recently joined the club of those brand name to target the icbc . this time over its arrest warrants for his railey officials. he said back in 2021, that the i z z is nothing but a political organization targeting america and its allies. the only c. c is competing against our troops will fail. because the united states will ensure that it fails, but also because it is fundamentally illegitimate. the i c, c, and the international community must decide between bringing the court back in line or destroying whatever legitimacy it still claims for itself. now us senator lindsey graham is worried about the united states being prosecuted. well, that would be a 1st take a look at libby, afghanistan, and a number of other countries that have been cast into chaos banks. the u. s. regime change operations the tell us citizens at this hour, american and coalition forces in the early stages of military operations, to disarm a rack, to free its people, and to defend the world from great danger the we came, we saw a guide. the, there's some concern about the us fu

officials have lashed out at the us for double standards with washington defending israel after the icbc prosecutor filed for arrest warrants for top is really officials a year ago, the us supported an arrest warrant against the russian president. this is another example of double standards and a breed of american democracy. the us authorities denied the legitimacy of the i, c. c, and intimidate the structure we sanctions when it comes to the interest of washington itself. and it's all lies. however, the shamelessly use this pseudo legal tool against those whom they consider enemies, washington statements and connection with the i. c. c. c. zation suggest that is really leadership resembled the reaction of a scorpion, stung by itself or spider. entangled in his own web, for the russian criticism comes in response to emotional reactions in the united states, the state department spokesperson rejected the i c. c. appeal claiming it has no jurisdiction over this matter. how speaker mike johnson went even further saying the us may propose sanctions against the international criminal court an

and he is already put out a statement condemning this, this decision by the icbc prosecutor and saying, i'm paraphrasing, but this signals a collapse in the international judicial order. and we haven't heard from the prime minister in the defense minister yet, but i don't think that will be hearing from any is really liter at this point, who would welcome this, this decision. but the reactions are still rolling in. okay. all right, so this announcement from the i c, c's prosecution, not from the code itself. does it have potential consequences, a full mister netanyahu warranty for his government? or not in the immediate aftermath of this announcement from the prosecutor. again, this is the, this is the prosecutor seeking and the restaurants will be arrest warrant is not there yet. it's unlikely to cause anything like the, the prime minister stepping down or i don't think is very unlikely to have him change course in the way that he is a chosen with his cabinet, the war cabinet to conduct this. whereas he has already for the spoken out against any potential action from the icbc prosecut

the ad had some shock value, but the public broadcaster icbc was having none of it. i s a b c as it rejected the d h a. d, a said the cdc subjection was the result of an st into fusions. and that story of the amc has control and manipulation of the country's largest. broad costa has dominated popular discussion. it was turbo charged by the fact that last month, the head of a c b. c. news which will show my daughter was summoned by the state security agency to take a polygraph test suspiciously close to the election. what many called a pressure tactic, a desperate if the strange to say once in a time seems to be subjected to this level of the to work and see it has a long history of integrating with the a. c. c. on the former president jacobs, who might join us what you showed a happy news quote to, to people over government failures, things would be less and saudi is under incumbent presidency. the i'm a pull so, but with the elections disclose the icbc is clearly getting squeezed. thanks me off or in the world of politics. optics are everything the way things look c

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i'm enough members, enough heavy weight members from your opinion and countries are leaving on the icbc . i'm saying, look up until now, you might not have their much of a credibility as an international court, which oppose international law. but now is your, is your maker break day and you have to step up. it's a mock. i'm be serious, i'm from the through on this on the holding up international rules and, you know, no longer a big in the book is the americans that comes as anti government sentiment is kicking in again like clockwork when the weekend hits and deliveries and people demonstrations around this time, protest is accused, i mean, you know, of corruption and condemned is handling of a gas it from the, the caching. the law enforcement overnight police stormed into disclose the demonstration report say many of the protesters would obtain this water cannon was used to disperse them and sometimes rarely say the government has deliberately failing to agree on a deal to free the hostages from gaza. we understand that our government and our prime minister are stopping a deal. he's no

so it is the icbc is not a real estate critical juncture. when it either proves as was to the world or reveals itself as a faith that he's absolutely right. you know, the british did not them just indiscriminate normally because they knew we knew that if you do that to drive people who have mold refused into the terrace groups. obviously, these really isn't the thing. i don't know interesting that because the policy is not wrong to them to keep causes that that policy is ethnic cleansing. so they're not thinking that way for them. it's quite logical to them the hell out of the causes until there's no he left that just to their land to to take so i think come those are the power of those. i mean the, the licensee is really interesting quote that has a strong support base from a lot of african countries. and i think of one of the pressing points that some to be made in the interview with christina lamb was a sort of hinted at this idea of international, you know, being compromised by these bullying from america and from other companies. that p

this complaint, the distortion of reality, the us president joe biden is courtney it outrages the icbc prosecutor. also once the rest of orleans for 3 senior status for the october, the 7th attack himself in israel. and move this being denounced by how much the sum of inch of a begins are coverage of the starving children is a crime. the killing civilians is a little crime. and wilfully causing suffering is also a criminal act. those are the top 3 reasons. the prosecutor of the international criminal court has cited for requesting at restaurants for these really prime minister benjamin netanyahu and defense minister golf kalonde, reasonable grounds to believe on the basis of evidence collected and examined by my office that he's really prime minister benjamin netanyahu administer of defense you, i've got a bad criminal responsibility for the following. international crimes committed on the territory of the state of palestine. several is read. the ministers have denounced the allegations of full crimes and crimes against humanity. the foreign minister is ready costs. it says it's a hist

that he is ready to join the icbc in december of 2000 a. but they regretfully did not. they happen, but a, and as you may know, it was, is riley's and just from a broad hole where the biggest bushes fall for the establishment of the i c. c. but the i, that is, is the problem is that they, the decision, they all say the prosecute the a to at least threatens things. it least the fault fully. why and let them know because people even use the not the, the as an admirers of nathaniel will not like a to see the, a bread minister inside the situation. and mainly because it was actually they connected to the accusations against come us even if it was not the quinn and they, they how much the divisions, i'll a moral it most serious student defended that both sides a see if it was balanced a well, if use a main menus riley's will do an else bold say nothing else. it's a simpleton, so i, i don't see these things changing that idea. what can change the situation, for example, a president quickly binding a has a plan, a which is a strategic allow you to

so worth noting the us, russia, china, and israel are not icbc number states. that's fascinating and i'm glad you brought that up. by the way, according to twitter, something kind of fascinating may have happened overnight in the berlin, and we're trying to run this down and whether it happened officially, or unofficially, it's still something we're talking about. some creative messengers may have figured out a way to either change the iconic brandenburg date in, in berlin, which we've seen a 1000000 times and all the world war 2 movies we all grew up watching. or maybe they did it in such a way so that they can promote it on twitter either way it's, it's getting a lot of attention. the idea was, according to what they were intending to do, to show the soviet victory banner. and i think we do, we have a picture of it, victor speaking, a victory. here's victor showing us your picture of the victory better. thank you. victor. 1 there it is, see that the, the idea is to show the rest of the world, especially the western countries who have taken credit. i mean, if

was made. meanwhile, the hex criminal court has its sides set on the is rarely offensive with the icbc prosecutor seeking an arrest warrant for prime minister netanyahu the move faced harsh criticism in london, prompting the icy prosecutor to draw parallels to the case. handling of the irish fight for independence. there were attempts to kill margaret boucher every need was blown up. lord, mount baton was blown up. there was the in this killing attack. we had any campaigns, but the british didn't decide to say, well, on the falls road there on data li, maybe some i or a members and republican sympathizers. so therefore, let's drop a 2000 pound bomb on the false road. you can't do that. this is this, the chief prosecutor added that the country has the right to protect its population . this isn't a license to commit war crimes or crimes against humanity. while the request for netanyahu's arrest still needs approval by the court judges as the 1st time and incumbent western back leader has been targeted by the hey, as well as allies have branded the move as our rages. well, this is a deepl

so we've been really clear about the icbc investigation. we do not support it. we don't believe that they have the jurisdiction and i'm just going to leave it there for now. earlier or the same court issued an arrest warrant against the russian president. what am i putting for most goes special ration and you re and all, only there was no negative reaction to the move from washington. it wasn't welcome by the us washer, sees it as a clear example of western hypocrisy. and here is russian foreign ministry spokeswoman slamming washington for a double face policy. let's take a look. to be honest, this is evidence of the stratification of consciousness among the white house strategists. let me remind you. on the one hand, the i see see judges are under us sanctions. on the other hand, washington fully supported is not stimulated the issuance of i c. c warrants against the russian leadership. at the same time, the american political system does not recognize the legitimacy of the structure and relation to itself and its satellites. the sense of absolute permissive. t

and he is already put out a statement condemning this decision by the icbc prosecutor and saying, i'm paraphrasing, the bist signals, a collapse in the international judicial order. and we haven't heard from the prime minister in the defense minister yet, but i don't think that we'll be hearing from any is really leader at this point. who would welcome this, this decision. but the reactions are still rolling in to abraham. and joseph would take a look at some old story. is that making headlines now? i will stop in the u. k. why the high cost as rules but which the legs found a june, a song comp appeal. okay. expedition to the united states. mr. so i'm just basing as proving us charge was that bus has been fighting an extradition order from prison for 3 years. is lawyers argue that he may not be able to rely on his rights to free speech, if facing trial in the us. so i think it's constitutional courses rule before the president jacob zoom cannot run for parliament in next week's election. he's been disqualified because he was sentenced to 15 months in prison in 2021. fighting to appear

by many countries, here is the chief prosecutor of the icbc kareem khan. it is very like low states has the right to defend its population. it has every right to show the return of hostages that have been criminally and carelessly taken. those rights, however, do not absolve these rail, always obligations to comply with international humanitarian law. intentionally causing death stop ation injury and suffering to the civilian population, including so very many women and children of criminal means to achieve military and political goals. that's what we have that you have reasonable grounds to believe the 3 senior leaders of how mass. yes and why i'm at dice and ishmael. i need a back criminal responsibility for the following international crimes committed on the territory of israel and the state of palestine from at least the 7th of october 2023, extermination as a crime against humanity. murder as a crime against humanity as will crime. the taking of hostages as a little crime rate and other acts of sexual violence, joining captivity as crimes against huma

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and again, all the countries that subscribe their own scott, you of the icbc have double negation to follow that. and a lot of what we just heard, how will this affect the ease credibility of a warrant is granted? so it should be know, since that we are still at the stage of the application and there is no timeline or the deadline. so i see judges will know decide whether or not to move forward with baseboard if it is granted in this e. u. countries decide to shirk their official obligations under international low . you can bet there will be a load or clamoring accusations of the e u. a executive double standards, basically having different applications of international law. we know, for example, that you was quite a vocal and welcoming the arrest board, which was issued for russian president vladimir putin. however, one on no split it to me this way. he said, look, the west has, there's no, it's got a monopoly from the west on double standards here. and we have certainly seen countries in other parts. the world also really tying themselves and political notes or what to do, but an

board from people in israel and i'm named is riley, diplomatic official told the media here that the icbc decision is hypocritical. and embarrassing on the international stage, i think that's pretty much what we can expect across the board here. feel. so what potential consequences could this announcement have for these writing the government? and i'm more broadly informed mister nathan young to well, that's difficult to say. we know that each route isn't signed up to the i c c. it doesn't recognize it and is therefore not under its jurisdiction. neither is it storage ally, the united states we've seen in the past. vladimir putin has been issued an arrest warrant, and he still remains. uh, you know, impala in russia, so they may be little consequences in the immediate, but personally, for benjamin netanyahu. it will restrict him traveling. i mentioned that as well in the united states and not signed up to the i c, c, but 125. all the countries are and should the, you'll have kalonde or benjamin netanyahu step foot in one of those countries. they are obligated to to, you know, to arrest, t

this is the same united page was which was cherishing the um, the icbc investigation. again, this is the time to reaffirm that international is universal. if it's not universal, it doesn't serve any purpose. we are not to in the late age, we are enjoying the 24. we are and i think that will that might be news to some people. thank you very much, francesco benet's ease for joining us on this story. thank to the one security council has been holding an open debate on the situation. and ross are right now. more than 800000 people have been forced to leave since the 1st week of may. is there any forces of winding their offensive of the city? they sent more troops to the area. so let's just listen to what we've heard during the course of this meeting about the, the challenges facing palestinians, the united states commitment to israel security is iron clad, and i want to repeat iron clad. you want to see how much defeated send one other from us. we just brought to justice and the hostages released at the same time. we also do not support and will not support this really re

in september of 2020, the united states, slap the icbc and was sanction mike palm peo. then the us secretary of state announced also that on named individuals who were involved with investigations by the i, c. c, into us personnel. we're going to have their visas blocks. the state department has restricted the issuance of the visas for certain individuals involved in the ice. these, these efforts to investigate us personnel, us, senator ted cruz, the recently joined the club of those threatening to target the eyes the see this time over its arrest warrants for his really officials. he said back in 2021, that the i z z is nothing but a political organization targeting america and its allies. the only c c is competing against our troops will fail because the united states will ensure that it fails. but also because it is fundamentally illegitimate, the i c, c, and the international community must decide between bringing the court back in line or destroying whatever legitimacy it still claims for itself. now us senator lindsey graham is worried about the united states bein

arrest warrants issued for vladimir putin while the media and political debate rages on about the icbc decision. israel continues to masika name and stuff, palestinians in garza, including and rough which president biden one said was a red line. thanks. talked in 8 months of the war on guys. the media coverage, especially from outlets in the united states, has been torn apart by critics. the repeated inaccuracies, the girls are taishan, is really talking points. the striking absence of context, such failings can jump out at you because often they're in the headlines. copywriter is commit all kinds of journalistic sense and sometimes try to justify them by saying that headlines need to be brief, but the results can be incomplete, misleading text. that is quite often at odds with the reporting that follows. and since many readers never got past the headlines, the misinformation contains there can have an effect on public opinion. one historian, also a rod has been on a journalistic mission to fix those headlights. she's been tweeting them out with stripe through annotations and critiques

and again, all the countries that subscribe their own scott, you of the icbc though vacation to follow that terry, that is the position. it's worth noting that germany has criticized the icpc move, saying that a false equivalency is being created by announcing hamas and israel at the same time that we sent out numerous requests to de determine lawmakers to talk about this, including the german foreign ministry. no one was willing to talk. germany's position it is in line with the united states as an as well from what we can tell as you say if, if the german officials are not willing to elaborate on their position, perhaps we're not sure. and that's the true of the your opinion as well. the fact that they cannot come out with a statement that would be agreed by all $27.00 means that there is not a single position. but as you mentioned, germany is, is recognizing the right of the court. to exist the right of the court to seek justice, but it is very uncomfortable with the prosecutor. naming is really prime minister benjamin netanyahu and the defense minister at the same time as he named

it is trying to get it for us and as much as they want it is monday about the deadline goes to the icbc on the items. yeah. and then they still have their own pressure. they've on top, i may be in the get, i'm falling on and times on the car, but they tried to put the pressure on the judges. they try to select them by and then you know, uh is stopping the visa through us. or for example, something better freezing their bank accounts. the means the dialect lot and directly to influence the decision makins and then the inside the licensee. and also you do it, is it the it cannot continue like this the us house of representatives of past a so called anti semitism when the fact supposes of the legislation claim it will help come back hate speech on colleges, campuses. this comes admit a mass wave of student protests across america over the war. in garza. the bill mandates that when the department of education is forces federal anti discrimination laws that must use the definition of i'm, she said that isn't for for fine international holocaust remembrance alliance. but the legislation has t

but the crux of this for the united states is that we do not believe that the icbc has jurisdiction on this political honest from the westbank. so odd numerous says israel, i mean i lars, are using shameful methods to pressure the international court. a diverse the action came from the order in minnesota and it was for catch most upholstery and i was talking. i didn't like the way i tried to convince darcy see if i could do so, but instead he started using so you'd be so the 1st to take or so it started by sickening. and we have the, according to this, that was sickening at the i. c c s since last week and the whole, i'm just government there started a huge campaign of golding each and every one around the work of the events and bright ministers around the world. and especially in europe and trying to you know, to help them in personalizing the icpc apparently is you have said that there are some 30, or there are some brush of if you like that coming from some of the dentist. you guys, you see. and that's why the eyes easy today. it should, this is paper which is still clear that they

the street approaches, i'd like to get your reaction to the news today that the prosecutor of the icbc has applied for arrest warrants for these rarely prime minister. and these really defense minister as well as the hamas leaders. what did you think when you heard the news? so to be say, i'm not an expert in international law. it's hard for me to judge, to what extent visits in keeping with precedent at the i c. c. i'm suddenly, if the quote can prove that benjamin netanyahu has committed will crimes when he should be prosecuted and punished for those i do worry about the implied equivalence between i'm us. tell us the organization which style to the county will with its murder of school. so if is what 80 civilians and the state of israel more broadly. and i do wonder about the extent to which was proportionate with precedent in the i. c. c. for example, of, to my best understanding the i see did not try to prosecute a beside a side, but read off syria who is responsible for terrible crimes during the civil war there. up, it certainly is. the court can prove that it's the ship was som

whereas he has already for the spoken out against any potential action from the icbc prosecutor a previous week. but if there were to be an arrest warrant, this could severely limit the countries, but he could travel to, to avoid actually getting arrested countries that are members of the i see, see of course have an obligation to, to assist the court in arrests. if someone who is being sought with has an arrest warrant under name is in the territory, but that's still too early. we're still not at that stage yet where this could really limit the movement of these really prime minister. okay, so jess products, the prosecutor has asked for this uh, arrest warrant. what happens now, as well? now as a trial of a free trial chamber of judges will decide whether to uphold them. it's important to say, ordinarily when the prosecutor does issue these applications for rest flores, normally they are approved and that's because the burden of proof that he has to supply to the team that is beyond reasonable, grimes to believe that the people were involved. so doesn't, is it legal times that's quite a n

around the world and especially in europe and trying to you know, to help them in personalizing the icbc and apparently the ice is you have said that there are some for the or there are some brush or if you like it coming from some of the dentist, you guys you see, and that's why the eyes easy today. it should, this is paper which is still clear that they are under such and this pressure. so i think that united states into one and the other has those supporters of these right . of really, really not only here, but it's in no, i understand that it's, it's really shame you know, and you are talking about the national board, which is sick by the right. positions. everyone the that are these where you should understand the big focus all the time. oh, you don't see us has a huge rush of having used chemical weapons against the planning is sold as an outing ation. but most of the denies the choking ages, and i said in the latest round of time, so i washington appeared to be in fact to guess on c, cause on a goes on of pace up. the story in the united states just con, stopped crying wolf. the u

because enough members, enough heavy weight members from european union countries are leaning on the icbc. i'm saying, look up until now. you might not have that much of a credibility as an international court, which oppose international rule. but now is your, is your maker break day and you have to step up some. ok, i'm be serious. i'm from the through on this on the holding up international most and it's no longer.

supports all international efforts to examine atrocities in ukraine, including the investigation by the icbc and the reporting by the un commission of inquiry on ukraine. the united states supports a range of international investigations and the rest of the trustees in ukraine, including the one conducted by the i see, i see, see, but we did not weigh in on each decision development as part of those investigations as well. has made it clear the eyes. this is warren's approved by a panel of judges, or in fact, anyone will not stop the prime minister and he's government's war on guys of the news that's made. world headlines will hardly make changes on the ground, but it's such a nice house, no pressure on these really is. and the american allies to all become increasingly isolated as the global majority relas for palestine. brief notion on how t reporting from jerusalem. from the city of the national initiative policy lead and the stuff up, but goosey stays, washington suppose, have as well as a clear double stand. and i hope that dakota does not the sky i owe you and does not show a new color

so we've been really clear about the icbc investigation. we do not support it. we don't believe that they have the jurisdiction and i'm just going to leave it there for now. today we haven't heard from the new yahoo yet, but some is really officials already commented on the i. c. c. move from bass of to the un polls $6.00. but then to the 2 ends of the terrorist, israel's national security administer. it shows that it was a mistake to send as really representative to the hey, can we also recommend that the prime minister and defense minister, but just ignore the and to submit to the chief all i see. see then based switching to you with the operation in gaza, been, we have said former defense minister and tolerance. chairman of the national unity policy, benny guns claims that puts in israel and leaders in the same line with one terrorist herds. israel's ability to protect its citizens again, be deeply responded yet, but we might understand from his previous comments what he's on sir, will be back to you many things so that update the summary of the notion of on

israel. nonetheless, there has been so much opposition to the announcement from career called the icbc prosecutor as far as seeking warrants against nets and yahoo and galani. and let me just walk you through some of the reactions that we've heard. of course you heard a moment ago there from been against, but we've also heard from now you're located. he's the opposition leader and israel . he tweeted the icpc arrest warrants or a complete moral failure. we cannot accept the outrages comparison between us and yahoo and send war between the leaders of israel and the leaders of from us. we also got a statement from the is really president issac hurts are in which he said the announcement of the prosecutor at the icpc is beyond outrages. it shows the extent to which the international judicial system is in danger of collapsing. we will not forget our hostages, whose safer turn should be the main concern of the international community. we expect all leaders in the free world to condemn outright this step and firmly reject it. and beyond that, we've also heard from a lot of officials who were