adams says icwa was critical to keeping her family together after her father died by suicide when sheyears old. >> my mother at that time was addicted to alcohol and some hard drugs. immediately after that, actually, she spiraled in a really dark hole, and that's when she lost all interest in us kids, and we were taken by washington state department of child welfare. >> did icwa have an impact on your situation when you look back at it? >> it did. the only reason why they insured our placement with a family member was because of icwa. >> after turning 19, autumn won custody of her two younger sib lipgs. >> we are learning our language. they call me nene. that means older sister. i call them little brother and little sister. i teach them about our foods, when we gather them, how to clean them. i also take our teachings from our stories. our teachings about perseverance, hard work, grit and determination. >> critics of icwa say the law prevents states from helping kids. they say it keeps them, in some cases, abusive situations because the standard for removing a child from a native fami

if the court struck down icwa, everything else could soon go with.gree with that concern with the argument that we made last. week saying the other laws related to health care and many other civil liberties would become vulnerable if icwa was overturned. a lot of non native viewers will not really register about the things that people living on native nations enjoy today that could fall, and why that could be detrimental to somebody like you. >> absolutely. gershengorn i like you said in that quote go to a health care clinic to get my health. care we have laws where we have land rights. we pass environmental regulations. there is a lot that tribes it's trouble governments and tribal citizens do because we are part of that political body, the death we are just a racial group and any lobby treatise differently as discrimination, the shift could be radical. i think something that is really important to point out is that the pro bono law firm for the plaintiffs, the lawyer actually filed a lawsuit in the state of washington making a very similar argument

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. >> he points to cases where he says the application of icwa has harmed children, because it puts a standard on removal from biological parents. >> it should be other children have the child's best interest. by making it prohibitively difficult to sever the rights of an abusive parent, icwa ends up harming the children. >> the best interests of the child are also what worry michelle and robert guerrero, who live outside of sacramento, california. like the couple we met on the cherokee nation, they have been raising a little boy. robert's grandson. >> he was released to us at eight days old. >> why wase released to you? >> the parents were both addicted to drugs. >> we are not identifying the five-year-old boy because of the ongoing legal process they are now entangled in. the boy's father, who is native american and now sober, decided in march to petition for custody. the boy is not aenrolled member of the tribe, but icwa is being applied to his case. >> i think we feel the decision was made before even getting to court, because they are a native american family. not giving any thou

the fear is that icwa is discrimination, but what about health care?ights, what about land rights, what about environmental regulation? if we are just the racial group, what racial group in the u.s. has its own court, its own land base, its own government, its own elections like tribes do? >> rebecca, thank you so much. there is so much more to unpack there but thank you for grounding us in the importance of this case. i really appreciate. it >> thank you so much for having me. >> of course. coming up, in the face of conservative fueled hate, a mother moves with her family a mile -- 1000 miles from texas to a state dealing with his own tragedy. strike at any time. think you're not at risk? wake up. because shingles could wake up in you. if you're over 50, talk to your doctor or pharmacist about shingles prevention. ♪ ♪ well would you look at that? ♪ ♪ jerry, you've got to see this. seen it. trust me, after 15 walks it gets a little old. i really should be retired by now. wish i'd invested when i had the chance... to the moon! [golf ball bounces off rov

. >> is hoping to get an answer to th second half of the question icwas a windows harvard anticipates th will end? spoke about being a 25 year window as you are well aware. they could do without federal funds and continue to discriminate on the basis of race however it pleased. i'm sure that would be a hardship. what is harvard's view on how long this will take? >> like the solicitor general understood all four paragraphs of justice'connor worked in her opinion what justice o'connor said it was it has been ce25 yrsthere is evidence the society is changing. we expect that 25 years from now the use of racial preferences will no longer be necessary. harvard agrees with tt? >> harvard doe n currently based on its data expti 2028 it will have been able to use only race neutr alternative. >> it's real simple question. if harvard does not have an answer that's fine. budoes harvard have a view about when? >> yes. harvard's view abo wn it does not have a date on it. harvard takes to heart justice o'connor's opinion that in the durational requirement can be emet by perioc reviews to determine w