wells and ida tarbell doing interesting things.men are always wanting to live interesting lives and being treated as full human beings. but no matter what time period you check in, it's interesting to look at all of these individuals. i think three, i think that the reason these reporters were forgotten is they wereea ridingn a female dominated genre about women and i still think we hold that work in lighter esteem than we do either writing about men are writing by men. >> right. i know your book just came out. i almost hesitate to ask this question but i'm curious if there's anything floating around in your head right now about what youbo might work on next, r a new direction? >> one of the girls, i got a certain distance along that path and actually i have some new leads. >> cool. >> i really n need an appendix n the paperback saw think i will poke around on that a little bit. >> that's fun. >> that's sooe tantalizing. >> just going back a minute i'm curious how you first came across these women. did you come across them in schoo

wells and that happens when i tell people i've written a book that is focused on ida tarbell, they willoften start talking effusively about ida b. wells but your work kind of revealed a new side of her. i'd never -- just -- even including her in the cohort of a stunt reporter was a different angle and so just -- if you wouldn't mind talking a little bit about your research on ida b. wells and how she fits in to the book. >> yeah. clearly such a fascinating and brave and inspirational character and i didn't -- i tried to be very clear in the book that she and victoria matthews were not really stunt reporters. stunt reporters were really, again, like white women, of these white-owned, hugely popular papers of the time, like "the world" and the "new york journal" and they ida. wells owned her own press and published a lot of books in one of the more moving moments of the book, victoria earl matthews and this cohort of women in new york racessed money to fund the approximation of ida b. wells' first book after her press is smashed and she's driven out of memphis where she lived, because of

wehe tweeted if you ever confused, that definitely happens as written a book that focus on ida tarbelll often start talking. if you start talking about ida b wells i kind of revealed side of her avon including her in the cohort of a stunt reporter it was a different angle. you would not mind talking a little bit about your research on ida b well and how she fits into the book. >> gas clearly such a fastening, brave, inspirational character pro tried to be very clear in the book she and victoria were not really start reporters. these hugely popular papers of the time the world on the new york journal. for black owned papers are at the precious self published a lot of books what i think it is more the morela moving moments of the book. in this cohort o of women in 1890 to raise money to fund the publication countries are driven out of memphis with the nature of religion reporting. so want to look at them not as start reporters but women who their livesrt of the same time as is reporters making different innovations in investigative journalism executive same time. it was interesting to se

researching reporters there were all of these causes and topics as coc had with being a woman that ida tarbell consciously shoved away from her. and refused to talk about including suffrage. she did not support the right of women to vote because she did not want to be a figurehead for that cause, which is obviously a gender cause. she just wanted to be an investigative journalist. not a woman journalist just to do this type of work. and i think i'm going to be noticing that much more sharply now that women's journalism and journalism are sadly i know see time is ticking, people have questions first time to open it up to the audience. >> yes. that's a good plan. i really enjoyed this conversation. i feel like this is ready to made into a tv series or movie or something. this would be an excellent series i feel like. do you notice if any of these women's lives have been turned into television or anything for tv? >> is been multiple different versions of the nellie bly story. spent a lot of nonfiction. i could see this as a podcast series also. [laughter] i am curious to for the women that were m