and assignment that i absolutely -- think it was one the best assignment idabel because it exposed me to understanding the importance of understanding those with whom you work that may not be just like you. important tour as the general indicated, help create this mosaic to inform things that are there came to in as i move along. had the great opportunity to command the 25th infantry division, a part of the u.s. pacific command area of responsibility, traveling all over south asia region, again being exposed to folks who are not like me, not like my focus, but learning. lessons learned. lessons learned. i told the journal he probably gave my talk in his summation because it's so true. -- the general. it's about how you understand people and how you build relationships. that theme will come forth again as i talk to your. that asymmetrical threat we faced in 1980 to come it was there. things went on in the balkans and on september 11, 2001, as i sat in the pentagon as the vice director of operations on the joint staff's, the threat became real in no uncertain terms. and as i spent four