>> local 41 idw,idw, i want to s been the best thing that's ever happened to me. wages, health benefits, pensions, and every person i talked to said that i wish that i got into union at a younger age. free education. it's good programming and it has a bad name. we have to be productive and we are very productive with our wages and scale, right to work is wrong. lee don't understand -- people don't understand the true purpose of the union in today's day and age. guest: i couldn't agree more. i would like to amplify a few things you said and that you said, greta. one of the best kept secrets in the country is about education. other than the military, unions provide more education every year than any other group through an apprenticeship program. we create the most skilled workers and because they are the most skilled workers, they can get higher wages. employers compete and they outbid everybody in the industry because our workers are more competitive and productive. and then we bring them back in every couple of years to retool them. to get them training on the new