if you are searching, you think about certain things and if you are rescuing somebody, you think about other things. the first rule, of course, would be do not become a victim yourself. whenever you do a search, you have to preplan. you have to understand who is doing what. we suggest that you work in two teams of at least two people, so that's at least four people doing a search at the very, very, very least. you want a team on the outside and a team on the inside. proper safety equipment, we talked about equipment. we're only going to give you helmets. we're going to give you vests too. are the vests going to protect you from anything? no. any other equipment you have to get your own. gloves, if we have any extra we'll give you gloves. knee pads, you need good shoes, you need good clothes that won't rip so things like nails will be harder to rip through your skin. decide on the duties and the tools. who is good at what. if i physically can't do something when we show you how to do search and rescue, don't do it and make sure everybody else knows what you can and cannot do. that's ver

oxygen and sugar and if you run out of one the brain cells begi to die and if blood is not getting up there you're not getting either one of those. how many of you have seen someone faint? they get bad news or cut their foot and did you need a doctor to tell you there is something wrong with the person? and you don't need to be a pro- and when someone is facing that shock and facin face fainting i way of telling you to lie down and signs and symptoms of shock confusion. disoriented, unconscious and skin pale and moist and pulse rapid and you have a problem here and you are nausea and thirsty or you can be thirsty and then nausea and here is a bottle of water and then they get nausea and they throw up an they're having trouble and they go unconscious and throw up. not so good. people die that way. the rule is nothing by mouth in the prehospital field and nothing by mouth and the treatment for shock is remarkably simple. lay them down and raise the fee about a foot and keep them warm and they're chilly and the brai doesn't feel it and they will feel cold and you want to keep them warm.

if we approve this first without having a thorough discussion i feel w that if it's bind i'm a little bit uncomfortable to make the vote because there's no flexibility to change a recommendation about funding. so that was my in question question if it's bind or not after we approve this we can look at the spreadsheet and make changes i'm comfortable for that. this timeline is putting us in an awkward situation. i don't know if our prepared to go through it now so i guess the question is to simply is to - is that binding may we change it next week >> can i make a suggestion and then ask the two folks if this would work based on their understanding which is different than mine that were so the concept i think i hear the suggestion president would be to pass though tonight and then maybe based on the augmented budget if in this discussion it becomes clear that modifications to this aspect of the budget would be in order or intiefrd then i'm wondering if there could be procedurally a separate meeting on the same evening on the 25th but in order to meet the requirement that there be a dist

even if you are in a car if you are next to large, brick buildings and if collapsed on you there is no safe place to go. how about here. the safety spot is second base. no doubt about it. you have 60,000 people want to go to second base. people get injured jumping chairs. go between the chairs, cover your head and get your head below the seat. there is a lot of crud down there. the chairs will break the fall. if you stop, someone behind you will hit you. so, slow down, pull to the side of the road. stay with the car until the shaking stops. you need protection for your head. if there are wires near your car, don't get out. don't park under or over an over pass under a bridge, under trees, power lines and next to freeway side walls. you know what freeway side walls are. >> these are the spots you don't want to park. in the city there are a lot of spots like that. that's pretty common response -- my experience with driving. i was driving going hope. home i had to go 2 miles. it took 3 hours to drive 2 miles. it was my unwillingness to give up my car. i could have gotten out of my car and

so, even if it is done with permission, with consent, if somebody complains or if one of our by law officers come by, it has to go. and it's one of those very clear definitions of graffiti versus art and that's how vancouver has been doing it. i hope that helps a little bit. >> thank you. yeah, i think here in san francisco the difference between graffiti and art is the permission. i hope i appreciate our anonymously written questions. [laughter] >> all right. anybody else have an answer to that one? so, we'll move on to the next one. i'll take somebody from the audience and come back here. good, i'm seeing some hands go up. we'll go with you, if you want to stand up. >> my question is about liabilities. if you're doing something that the original tagger, the vandal, let's say, did, and now you're using volunteers to paint it out, what -- has anybody considered the possibility if you don't have police accompaniment to the rehabilitation of that wall, that it's very possible that the person that tagged it is not going to want to see it painted out and might behave in an adversarial situation,

but that's only in the situation if you -- if the lawsuit is for the moratorium. if the lawsuit is against the tenant protection provisions, the lifetime lease provisions, then no new applications could be submitted and only those projects that at that time have tentative approval could proceed to get the conversion. however, there is an tension to that, which is if there is a building out there that has no non-owning tenants, essentially it would probably be mainly 100% tenancy -- owner occupied tenancy in common buildings. any of those, whether they have an application or not, because there's no tenants in the building and the focus is the tenant protection provision, they can proceed to convert under the expedited process. whether they have submitted an application or not. so, that one group can proceed at any time. if there is a legal challenge to both provisions -- so, if someone would challenge both the lifetime lease provision and the moratorium, under that scenario no new applications would be allowed to be submitted to the department and only those that a

it's if you were intentionally targeting noncombatants that's terrorism for example if the bomb was set up for the boston bombing was set up somewhere close to a police precinct that would be justifiable but just because it was in say just size of there wouldn't be terrorism if what those guys had in mind was to attack the army recruiting center. you know someplace down the road. no that would have been an act of terrorism but they didn't put the bomb down the road they put the bomb where it would hurt innocent people and that was their target but obviously when you put a bomb next to police pressing them police precincts are usually in the heavily populated area there is a fear factor there that he are trying to instill this horror but then the population i think i think that a terrorist is someone who wants to. create terror among the population someone who's not a terrorist is someone who wants to set off a bomb to hurt policeman who are engaged in combat and activities against them but all this armed in syria for example the population is totally terrified regardless of. who hav

>> yeah, you may be more specific if you talk to the owner, if it is not a recent building, if it isen or 20 years old see if they had an inspection done and there you will have a written before that will tell you all about the structure. >> thanks, pat. >> thanks, harvey. and thanks david for joining us and thank you for joining us on >> hi today we have a special edition of building san francisco, stay safe, what we are going to be talking about san francisco's earth quakes, what you can do before an earthquake in your home, to be ready and after an earthquake to make sure that you are comfortable staying at home, while the city recovers. ♪ >> the next episode of stay safe, we have alicia johnson from san francisco's department of emergency management. hi, alicia thanks to coming >> it is a pleasure to be here with you. >> i wonder if you could tell us what you think people can do to get ready for what we know is a coming earthquake in san francisco. >> well, one of the most things that people can do is to make sure that you have a plan to communicate with people who live both in a

if you have -- if it's intake, if it's a larger project, you are on the first floor and sent to ctb and you sign in and they process your paperwork right there. you pay a partial fee for your permit and it's taken in. these are large projects. we can do them anywhere from a few weeks to a few months like the high rises. most of the action, however is directed to go to the fifth floor over the counter permit services. once you get to the fifth floor, if you have no plans for instance if i have a reroofing replacement of windows, kitchen and baths, small dry rot, this hits things of that nature, you proceed to plan check. you sign a list and taken in the order that you sign. the building inspector or engineer on duty calls you and most of these permits i would say don't get comments. they get approved over the counter because they are very small in nature and they don't have plans and they are pretty self explanatory. on there you pay for your permit and you are out the door. depending on when you come depends on how long you will be there. if you are there early in the morning, you can g

so if you want to do something about that, if you want to secure border much less if you want the kind of economic growth that our country is capable of to maintain our leadership role in the world, then immigration reform is essential, and not having it is going to lead to more bad results. on every front. >> governor bush, i was wondering if you're concerned about the cornyn amendment. harry reid has called it a poison pill. for people who don't know the details, just a couple of the measures that would require 100% monitoring capability and a 90% apprehension rate along the southern border before granting not full citizenship, but just simple legal status to the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants. what do you think about the plan? >> i'm not going to comment on the saw sack. >> can okay. >> it's work in progress, and i think that's -- actually, my only comment would be that it's encouraging that sausage is being made rather than talked about. our democracy doesn't work when we're just chirping on the sidelines. it works when people are engaged in good faith to try to find

if if was a fee that would be good.he airlines take the extra revenue and use it to improve your experience, but with taxes, what is going to happen? that money is going to go to a bunch of government bureaucracies in washington, dc. >> leave it to government to figure out a way to screw everything up. they want something on everything. >> exactly. >> michelle fields, thank you for joining us. >> lawyers fighting in divorce cases want to get their hands on all the data that the fbi is collecting on americans. should they get it? our legal eagles are shooting -- suiting up. y. avo: whatever you're looking for, expedia has more ways to help you find yours. [ male announcer ] moving object detection. ♪ blind spot warning. ♪ lane departure warning. safety, down to an art. the nissan altima with safety shield technologies. nissan. innovation that excites. ♪ if you have high cholesterol, here's some information that may be worth looking into. in a clinical trial versus lipitor, crestor got more high-risk patients' bad cholest

>> i have not. >> if this person presented himself you know that to be george zimmerman. >> yes. >> if this person had presented himself to you, looking like this. >> uh-huh. >> what would you have done for him? >> if he had come to our office looking like that, we would have cleaned the wounds so we could better evaluate what the type of injuries that are. and then go about the same process that we went through. and then order the testing based off of that. >> and if you look at this photograph as compared to the one we just identified. >> yes. >> i would like to focus your attention to the nose area. >> okay. >> would you -- >> objection as to relevance and also she didn't see him like that. so i object as to speculation at this point. >> my response, your honor. >> let me hear the rest of the question. >> would you agree that the swelling that you saw in that picture has gone down from the way it is here? >> it looks like that it's decreased slightly. >> is that normal? let's say that there's a -- let's say there's a four-hour difference, five-hour difference between this picture an

obama is now on the record and if, if, evidence is produced, that any u.s.elligence agency is reading emails without a specific warrant, mr. obama could very well be impeached. that's how important his statement to mr. rose really is there is no going back now. president obama says flat out no one is listening to phone calls or reading emails without a specific warrant to do so. today the same question was asked of the director of the nsa general keith alexander. >> does the nsa have the ability to listen to americans' phone calls or read emails under these two programs. >> no. we do not have that authority. >> does the technology exist at the nsa to flip a switch by some analysts to listen to americans' phone calls or read their emails? >> no. >> bill: without snowden or another whistleblower producing hard evidence to contradict the general and the president, the snooping story will likely fade away in the coming months. but the irs story will not fade away because that scandal is getting worse. and you may have noticed the president has not defined the ir

if they -- if the local can't do it, then the state.as a last resort, seems to me, do you go to the federal government, and only if we have people who feel that way and recognize that, and this is such app amazing country, the most generous country op the face of the earth. think of the things that voluntary organizations do and the assistance they provide people, not just in our country, but in all over the world, and there's a -- a congressman from missouri who was a mentor of mine when i was in congress, he used to say, public money drives out private money. if they see government, federal, state, or local, taking over an area, people don't want to help in the area. why pay for it twice? first in taxes and then separately? they back up. it is true. that is a truth. it's in the book. public money drives -- another one, you start talking about presidents back, first thing came to mind was truman who did a pretty darn good job after people figured out all he'd done, but one of the -- no, he went out of the white house way down, and peop

he wanted if we just move in together. let's go to andy levy for a pre game report. andy, what is coming up on tonight's show, you jerk? >> nice to see you started off with a lie. the leaky geek speaks, but does what he say wreak? we will take a peek. and a psychic ordered by a judge to pay $7 million after falsely telling police a texas couple had a mass grave on their property, but can she foretell whether or not we will get to this story? probably not. and miss utah explains the existence of pay inequality between men and women. if by explain you mean a bunch of words put together mean nothing to human kind. >> that's rough on her. >> i feel bad too. >> you know what, i think she did a better job than you would do under similar circumstances. >> you are probably right. and fills out a bikini better. >> i wouldn't go that far. >> thank you, sir. >> no problem. let's welcome our guest. she is so hot that superman shoots her from his eyes. i am here with business and political strategist. and he is so sharp that excaliber

>> if they were granted -- yeah. if the tree were an approved for removal, yes, but they would still have to go through the public notification process which in this case we did approve the tree for removal and it was the public appeal that led us to the departmental hearing. >> there is nothing to prevent a private citizen to go ahead and pay for the removal. >> that's not the issue. >> it's an entirely different question? >> correct. >> okay. thank you. >> you say people who came to the hearing and wanted the tree maintained. do you remember? >> our findings say there were three, they must have been very vocal, but in my memory there were more. there was an additional letter of protest as well. >> i don't think any of the supporters of the tree submitted anything for this hearing. >> no, and we do -- well we don't notify, the board notifies the public of appeal before the board. so i wouldn't have record on who was notified for that. >> it's very typical when a tree is removed it's standard that organizations autom

going after all of the tea party groups but you know if the if the republicans get in power over remember they're the ones who got all of these powers in the first place with bush i mean they might be mad that that the powers they gave the government of been used to persecute them so there they might go and start persecuting the democrats and then it just. really gets ugly and politics gets even more messy and so it's going to be exciting to see how those of us that take control and protect our privacy and raise a cryptographic shield you know we don't have to rely on the fourth amendment quite as much because it makes it technologically infeasible for them to just be trolling through the data the oftentimes it seems that there is a binary option a choice between security or freedom and we're just out of time do you just have a quick comment on that. yeah i think that it doesn't have to be that way we don't have to give up our security our freedom in order to have security i think that we have extremely competent people at the n.s.a. and at the f.b.i. and cia and in law enforcement i thin

if i had -- i was born in 1930. the same wiring i have but i had been a female, my life would have been entirely different. >> i wonder if your message is more for women or more for men? >> it's for both. for both. men should realize if they had male workers and those workers could accomplish more if they had more education or whatever it might be, they'd jump on that in a second. to take half the people and not recognize they have just as many potential as the other and use them is a big mistake. >> as you've been more outspoken about women and the workforce there are some that have come back at you and said what about berkshire hathaway? 70 plus companies and five female ceos and only 13 of your board members are women. should change be happening at berkshire and should you be doing this? >> change has been happening at berkshire. of the last five directors appointed three are women. in terms of ceos, i probably only appointed maybe six or seven ceos because they come with the businesses and stay. >> when this is

if the -- of the 270 families that were on the list, if only 4 families were abusing the list -- do we change an entire system for all of these families for these smaller number of families. everyday in our office we deal with our lowest income residents. people come into our office everyday. i'm in the neighborhood, i visit our centers and what i hear overwhelmingly is how difficult the system is for folks and how it's a full-time job to go through our shelter process and how it's even difficult to look for employment or get services they need because they're constantly running around to get documents that prove a variety of things. i want to make the system easier, not harder, /es it's not unlike all the other programs [inaudible] we do set an income threshold to make sure the neediest are getting served and one family jumping ahead of that family might mean one family has to wait [inaudible]. it's not that difficult to do an income verification. >> i will challenge you on how hard it is -- obstacles that folks have to go through, but even just going to a school to get that document,

if you are trying to bring a value to my organization, if you are trying to save me money, make me moneyt right away. so it is the power of the pitch. and you have to be consistent in your followup each time thinking about how the other person on the receiving end is feeling about your pitch. >> i love what you said about sort of what can i do for you versus what can you do for me. >> exactly. >> absolutely. >> if you are selling something you better know that. >> thank you so much for all that advice. very helpful. really appreciate it. >>> you work with service providers that charge by the hour and then find you are in the dark on what the final bill will look like. then check out our website of the week. aiming to make the billing process transparent for all parties involved. this site provides clients with a real-time dashboard of everything you are being billed for. you can also request real-time clarification regarding activities and receive alerts or e-mails when certain treasury holds are reached. service is free for you to use but your provider has to agree to sign on to use vie

if they might night.weet. this is a huge national conversation. if we are good with it and feel it's in our best interests in terms of security then we can vote for it. bill: the point he's making is we are having the debate after it's already happened. we have breaking news. afghanistan. the taliban claiming responsibility for a major assault near nato headquarters at the airport in kabul. there were 7 attackers said to be armed with rpgs and assault rifles. two blew themselves up with suicide crests. the other shot and killed by american police. martha: the white house moving closer on whether to arm the rebels in syria. a decision could come as early as this week, all of this as the assad government forces are poised for a massive attack on the key city of hom. bill: the data being collected by your government. could it be used for political purposes? karl rove is live on that next. martha: the director of national intelligence telling citizens, don't worry, we couldn't read all your e-mails even if we

but then also tarps, people are going to need to cover their windows if their windows are cracked, ifir roofs are broken. so, ideally, the city would be able to know where all these neighborhood centers are and help deliver some of these supplies. >> they could come from a neighbor, maybe not. thank you so much for allowing us to come in and share this wonderful exhibit. and thank you for >> good morning. thank you. the meeting will come to order. welcome to the regular meeting other government oversight and audit committee. i am malia cohen. to my left is supervisor

if you got your hands in your pocket, you're wrong! takes on a military-style feel both for the inmates -- >> don't come back in these blues. >> -- and the officers. >> do you know how your structure is set up? >> yeah. >> can you tell me? >> no.

i wonder if we can modify this if the certain is if the soil below this property is contaminated can we add if you're disturbing soil below a level would be more appropriate? >> and that leads into envy department of health question people have no idea how long it takes the department of health to deal with those situations. it's more on the lengthy process than a very fast process. and it talks to pretty much any project would fall into this category because 50 cub it yards is little. and this parallel existence that i talk about is not reality >> i do want to point out about the 50 cub it yards i believe the truckload is about 20 cub itself yards so for about 4 truckloads whether it's foundation work or grating that's triggered. but if you're not talking about major foundation work, you know, four truckloads of dirt just below this threshold it's not big but when this was originally adopted it was intended at the time to screen out the more routine projects in the residential neighborhood and unless it was entirely a new construction project by not a typical alteration >> and if yo

i'm not sure if i don't i'm not able to speak to that i don't know if i'm from bradley manning or not what i would say is that i think of anything. crackdown on leaks it may be skewing the leaks that we're seeing toward the more extreme and large scale because if you're going to give up everything if you're going to give up your freedom give up your life as you know it you might as well go for broke ok michael what do you think about that going for broke it looks like both these men have done that but what you have is in december. all the laws are protected national security whistleblowers to go forward were wiped off the books so there's really no avenue and yes when someone is raising such serious concerns at the head of the national security agency is lying to congress where else are you supposed to go then to the american people who need to have that to bait to see if their government is in fact on a student living up to the dreams that our founding fathers wanted it to so whistleblower and requires a balance and when you have someone who is morally. in the hot seat and doesn't be

>> if they are going to be non-exempt they have to remain non-exempt for a period of time and if they are going to be exempt they have to be exempt for a period of time. just a thought and i don't know if it is a good idea or not. >> that would be a state regulation. >> i think that we are, you know, some of it should be that if you are not exempt, then you are going through the city for your licensing. but i think that what we are kind of looking over all at is codifying a level of competency for everyone who is permitted in this area and be it by the city or the state. i mean, that would be my recommendation, would be to recommend the city basically make their requirements the same as the state. okay. >> yeah? >> because, as i have listened to the public comment, too, you know, the state requirement is stricter, so those who are legit and for saving money too, they are going to go through the state. so you are more legit, you know, operators, you know, we will take the state and you know the ones who are the shady ones are going to be the ones that go through the city for the last h

if it were to move forward. this has already had a hearing in the planning commission as well as the health commission

they need us as much if not more than we need them.tever they do, continuing to do this is not this their interest? >> you have to ight, instigate lawsui, show dtracted employee my, and talk tough. do you think the chinese stop hacking? no, they are not. the bi -- neil: we just hack in space. >> biggest defense -- >> i disagree. >> protect wrg and then, you know -- neil: why do you disagree, adam? >> because there's two aspects to this, commercial and military. neil: they hack both. they are hacking both. >> right. that's why you have to -- you use a crude mtaphor. you have to get in their face at every opportunity. neil: wait, white, wait, wait, wait, woah, if issadam saying, "in your ace,"and this is what a gentleman you are, adam. >> i try, neil, you know i try. neil: that's me in the morning, and i elevate from there. >> wetred to get in their face in two decades. they don't respect us. treat it like, you know, get out of here. it's like the same ssue with us saying, hey, opec is a cartel, and we have not done anything about opec b

rulig on gay rriage, yes, if it's the same ruling on voting rigts, and, yes, if it's voting on illegal immigration ll. all illities haveo be addressed in society, but not the others bubbling in his own administration. now, good lawyers now how to deflect, and this president is a good lawyer, butthat doesn't mean he doesn't have a good many scandals. now, some that lookawfully illegal to me, but then again, i'm no lawyer, slicing wors, i'm just a voter wanting answers. to larry on whether this pivot is indeed a pivot, and if w should be worried about it, or just an example o yet another president chsing to talk bout the legal issues that matter to him and not the legal issues that coull be clearly damaging him. larry, what o you make of a this >> neil, you it on i when you said you were a voter because ultimately it's a political judgment by the voters, but the next election's ayear and a half away. presidents don't talk about things --unhappy things unless they are forced to, and he can only be forced in two ways, a fu-blown press conference, that he rarely has, an even in those cases,

it was a bigger if you had keyneses' say it. >> if we would have done better if we spent more than aargue world war ii ended the great depression. but to stimulate private nsumption it is a time of austerity in the real sense of the word. john: they were making tankk >> iis a measure econom if you are in the munitions siness you did greatut the arage person if you wanto buy the reigerator or car you could not because the steel was used for the other stuff. that is reality government spending crowds out privat acvity. john: afterwards governme's spending went down we went into a horrible receion. >> that is what the keynesian is predicted -- predicted a fell 40% as truman pnted out in his discussion afterwards and plan it was high despite that there were 10 million soldiers coming back some went to school and a lot of them found new work sehow the economy thrived without the government's stimulus. >> what is strange about the keynesian approach is they don't seem to care whether value is created by economic activity onot. as a producer i have to create value for my audience and make s

why do it when you can take it over to (inaudible), if it is not corrected if nothing is done he said that he is going to (inaudible) the current model and go into the car service business and he too will play by the deregulated rules and turn this company into a profit making company. >> and the cab companies now a lot of them are not accepting the new medallion and so we are having the discussion about loaning money and you are loaning the money and the people are going to be borrowing money and what are they going to do if the cab companies cannot take them. this is a big question. >> another question that i have is where are all of another can you be companies managers? why are they not weighing in, hello? on this? and the whole thing is, it is really unfortunate because there is demand out there, because these, these cars and they are full and there is business, but we are not getting any of it, and you i know that you are well intentioned and i see it from your faces but you are moving like turtles and we can't wait two months, we need action now to control the situation. >> and

if that's not waiver, if that is not express waiver, then surely it's implied waiver, and and if notimpliedeaiver, what is? gerri: great question. can you take two bites of the apple in giving testimony to congress? >> it seems you can, but congress will try to take to bites of the apple if they come back asking her to testify again. if tey ask her again and she refuses to, she will be held in contempt of court, and that could mean there could be a federal ase here where they could take he and hold her in contempt. gerri: what's amazing to me abouthe story is that no heads have rolled, nobody's lot thir job, lerer is on paid administrative leave. at do you make of that? >> this is an organization, the irs, supposed to be spending our dollars wisely, taking them in, spendingisely. there's no accountability here. lerner is on administrative leave, and at the same time, she's still getting paid. paid with those taxpayer dollars that she abused. what we re creating here is just a culture tha's protecting the waste and abuse of power and the waste of taxpayer dollarss gerri: it's not the first sc

if they don't help out the government they are helping terrorist. the focus should be on the government and labuses, don bring companies that are doing the best and caught in an impossible position. >> sabrina,he government made some of the companies their partners. >> we are tang a giant step to tional socialism if our companies claim immuneitty. the government doesn't need to own the means of production for us to be in a precarious position. before we are in a bad position in the society. >> rich, what do you think? >> well, look, i would remind my good friend john and sabrinawho a are, terrorism is real. we did this and the telecoms got immuneitty in the bush administration. this is not new and it is needed. companies are put in a impossible position. nemac, isn't it time to rethink this? >> yes. >> now we know the extent? >> i agree with scombraup here's why. the government stinks bause you can't sue the governme. but the way the government is writing the law, there is a bill before the senate that if a company passes incorrec information, how d

the buck stops there. >> in the navy if a commanding officer if someone does something and sinks a ship and runs to the ground, and the board of inquiries that i did not do it and it was a seaman he would be dead on arrival. >> so the bottom line s these things are not that complicated. they have a responsibility under the law it has been in place since 1999. and they still do this oh, we don't understand and no it is this person and that person, and if you asked direct questions to a person, they go, oh, we are not obligated to respond. but, everything is done to avaid that responsibility. >> any further public comment? >> let's call the question. >> all in favor? >> aye. >> aye. >> aye. >> the motion passes unanimously and we find miss patterson has failed to respond in a timely manner and she acknowledged as much as so. >> we will move on to the next one. >> should we take the next two together? >> they go hand in hand, there was no requirement to turnover the information and we can say that they are required to follow the order, if there was a requirement then clearly she did not fo

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>> you know, if if it was just a u.s.hina thing, that would be an issue, but right now, looking at other nations saying, well, gee, everybody's out there hacking. i've seen cases in the past where you get on a system that's been compromised, data's moved from companies all around the world, governments all around the world, and so it's like a dirty pool. your really don't know who's in there. is it an intelligence agency from another country? a group of hackers? a group of activists? it's a consequence looking at us against them. it's much brooder than that. they are the noisiest and the ones we worry about most because we have more intellectual property to lose than anybody else does. neil: well put. howard, thank you very much for joining us. >> good talking with you, neil. neil: 16,000 new irs agents working on health care, and that's just the tip of the ice pack. the government with another hiring binge that just could make you cringe. ♪ ♪ neil: well, the health care law is creating jobs. that is the good nudes. now,

their problem if they can get away with it already if you want to reply to the. i'm happy to reply to i'm making a very simple point which is we were talking about the public debate particularly public debate in the united states i think there's no question whether it's has any bearing on the facts is a different question but there's no question for many americans merely the place that he has gone china and russia raise questions i'm not saying he's wrong to go there i'm not saying it doesn't make sense for him to go there but when you're talking about the debate here i think the longer i do you think why do you think we have made that she hated the why do you think the debate is that way that ok i mean people feel that well either they don't think of wings because i mean it's really interesting if you will i mean if you it's really interesting if you look at it because you know he supplied evidence that the americans were spying on hong kong on china and on the you know on russia ok and he goes to those places that you know you expect these governments to be fri

also, if the police department wants footage, there are legal ways to go about getting footage if it exist. putting a condition on a permit to side step those laws, those processes, it's not good for our community. if the police department wants to have cameras outside of my business, let them engage the community and let them do it themselves. i'm not interested in participating in surveillance on my patrons. >> so, do you think that -- [ applause ] >> do you think that more businesses should bear the cost or not bear the cost of cameras instead of the city bearing the cost. >> i think the city should have cameras. there are places where that is useful. having cameras near registers can save many dollars. if you believe your clientele is potentially violent on damaging in terms of graffiti cost, you can have many reasons to have cameras. if a business wants to install their cameras and use them, they should bear that cost. if footage exist that law enforcement wants access to, there is a process that allows the law enforcement access to that. so, if a business wants to install camer