. >> when you watch ifinterview, the infamous interview, clearly michael did that to try to set the recordght and if anything, made it ten times worse. when you watch that, what did you feel about that interview? >> well, first of all, martin bashir needs to be slapped and never should have been around michael and there again, michael trusted. and see, why does -- there's a question for us why does people in the media want to say the most horrible things about someone knowing that they have all the right intentions to do good? >> i guess the answer, if i'm putting my media hat back on, 'cause i worked in newspapers at the time of all that, is that it's not normal, i use that word just in a straightforward way, for a guy of say 44 to be sharing a bed with a boy of 12. that is not what most men of 44 do. so when the public hear about this -- >> how do you know that? how do you know about that? >> i am just guess. >> you can't just guess, see, that happens all over the world and people don't think of that as -- >> but you believe that? >> yes. yes. >> you think so? >> yes, it does. >> not cas