the las california is much more likely to occur, but once you get into california and being able ifornia, to get access all the way to los challenge, from a right-of-way standpoint. joining us to s talk about the state of the rail industry. ohn from pennsylvania, democrats line. hi. caller: how are you? host: fine thanks, go ahead. $25 billion that trump ants to use for the wall in mexico, i rather see that $25 billion used for amtrak and high-speed rail. i think it is a waste of money something like that many, many millions of people and that is what we should be looking for, infrastructure. the other thing, too, i live in pennsylvania, we only have two trains per day here. 10 to 20 trains at one time. i don't know why all the trains harrisburg and somehow western pennsylvania has forgotten about it. here is pittsburgh, a large city, and they will get two rains per day plus capital limited from washington. we need better train service in this area. thank you. guest: well, let me talk about particular, the issue of high-speed rail. i think this is a conversation and you'll a lot hear a l

being an a phd economist, harvard university, talked for many years at the university of --ifornia sinceince the 1980's. he has the credentials of a real economist, but he is not at all in the mainstream of free trade economics, which is why trump likes him. oliver: doesn't mean he is not an economist? peter: there you go. that is what he can throw in the critics -- that is what he can throw in the face of his critics. i know how conventional free trade theory works, i teach this stuff. i don't happen to think that in reality, the picture is quite as rosie as you people would say. carol: but he has written several books and looks at trade. he is against global trade, correct? peter: i would not say he is flat out against global trade. he is against the way it is affecting u.s. today. he likes trade. he says the terms are bad for the u.s. course, is his big bug-a-boo. if you hear trump talking about trade, very often what you are hearing is what peter navarro says. carol: it is a little extreme. there is a point he makes. he says countries that use dollars for trade purchases to buy ameri