raga is igianis kagoya's cousin and she says the use of child soldiers is a new and tragic part of theldren are severely traumatized and too scared to reveal their identity for fear of reprisal. [speaking foreign language] raga: [speaking foreign language] ♪♪♪ sally: the spokesperson for the armed wing of the west papuan independence movement is now based in png. sebi sanbong is a former political prisoner. he fled across the border in 2013. sally: will you kill again? sebi sanbong: oui, of course. before independence we will kill. we will fight, continue fight, no compromise. sally: and he defends the use of child soldiers, even though it's banned under international law. he says it's the result of decades of repression and an estimated 100,000 deaths under indonesian rule. sebi: when they--their father been to kill, their mother been to kill, and then they grow up to, like, 12 year, to 15 year, they will become soldier. sally: victor yeimo from the civil movement says they're committed to peaceful action but defends the right of papuans to take up arms. victor: they are not terrorist