starts to ring and ring, it becomes extremely stressful to him and two days later lev parnas and igor frumane indicted and he came back to jfk and turned himself in. >> what is the connection to fruman, to parnas, and did any of it go to rudy? that information continues? >> more to come. >> thank you, the best to you and the family. >> merry christmas. >> and thank you for the gift of the reporting. appreciate it. >> all right, so, what's the state of play? one of the problems with this process is you keep learning more information but the process has moved past the investigatory phase. look, the democratic congressman is right, articles of impeachment are just a set of allegations that are supposed to be tried in the senate. now that's gotten a little cloudy here because of pelosi holding back the articles and people arguing about that, but congress has opened the door, all right? let's bring in cuomo's court and have it out next. what'd we decide on the flyers again? uh, "fifteen minutes could save you 15% or more on car insurance." i think we're gonna swap over to "over seventy-five years

at least lev parnas and igor fruman.nd they've let in more detail about the pace of the investigation. they've obtained 29 electronic devices from the defendants. most of them being in possession of lev parnas and igor fruman. they have a satellite phone. they are still trying to crack the passwords so they haven't turned over the material to the defense. the defense team said they received about 70,000 documents. something they're saying that this process should move along a lot more quickly. we heard from one of the defense lawyers that prosecutors have given them the search warrant applications, that gives them the sense that the evidence they might have for the case that they've charged so far but he said there were 26 pages redacted. we've been familiar with the redactions through the mueller report from michael cohen and they say there is a chunk of the search warrant affidavit that is now secret and still under seal that goes right to the part of the investigation that this still ongoing, the uncharged conduct as

giuliani and how he dealt with these associates, lev parnas and igor fruman. d the real questions remaining are about president trump's involvement in private conversations with mr. parnas and mr. fruman have both mentioned having exchanges with president trump through their lawyers. learning more about those exchanges will give us a better picture of what president trump explicitly did or not in terms of directing some kind of outside of the chain of command foreign policy operation. >> you know, matt, bob's colleague bob woodward says the truth emerges, and it emerges from weird places. but as bob costa is saying, it could emerge from sort of working their way up. there aren't that many people between lev parnas and igor fruman. and there's nobody between them and rudy giuliani. and according to rudy giuliani, there was nobody between rudy giuliani. he was there on behalf of the president. this seems like a very ominous sign for rudy and potentially the president. >> i think so. look, the truth emerges when the people who are trying to get to the truth have l

that might mean additional charges for lev parnas and igor fruman and their two co-defendants. it could mean new charges for new people who have not been charged in this case. we do know that subpoenas have recently by sent out by the southern district of new york to people connected to the main pro-trump super pac and people connected to the president's current personal lawyer, rudy giuliani, who multiple news outlets have reported is under active investigation in connection with the case with fruman and parnas. so it's all happening, i mean, the president is, the president's campaign chairman is in prison. the president's deputy campaign chairman is awaiting sentencing. his national security adviser is awaiting sentencing. his personal lawyer is already in prison. another one appears to be under active criminal investigation. the first two congressional endorsements of this president have just recently as of today, pled guilty and will soon be awaiting sentencing themselves. in other words, happy monday. things proceed apace including some of the key developments in the impea

that will bring forward more charges against lev parnas and igor fruman. of rudy giuliani's associates, clients, business partners, if you will. they've been referred to a number of different ways in court, as well as two additional men. prosecutors didn't say whether or not there would be additional defendants. meaning, additional people that would be charged when they file that superseding indictment. that is always a possibility but we didn't get any indication today, ali, whether or not that would be the case. prosecutors and defense attorneys sparred over ongoing discovery issues. already prosecutors said they've turned over nine gigabytes of data to each of the people that have been charge understand this case. and right now, they say that they're having a hard time getting into the iphones and other devices that are encrypted and password protected that therapy abthey were able to take off of lev parnas and igor fruman when they were arrested back in october. so right now, they say the fbi is trying its best to get into those devices so they can tur

other personal lawyer's clients, claiming he doesn't know two indicted associates of rudy giuliani, igor fruman and lev parnas. >> i don't know those gentlemen. now, it's possible i have a picture with them because i have a picture with everybody. i have a picture with everybody here. but somebody said there may be a picture or something at a fund-raiser or somewhere. but i have pictures with everybody. i have -- i don't know if there's anybody i don't have pictures -- i don't know them. i don't know about them. i don't know what they do. >> interesting that he says there might be a picture because guess what? there is. actually there are quite a few pictures, more than you'd think if you didn't know those gentlemen, gentlemen who have been indicted for campaign finance violations and federal prosecutors in new york say are likely to face additional charges. like i said, it's the president's m.o. remember this. i said this before to you. that indicates he's thinking, he's thinking, i don't know. remember that. >> i don't know prince andrew, but it's -- that's a tough story. it's a very tough st

. >> rudy and friends lev parnas and igor fruman have will be been indicted for funneling hundreds off dollars into united states elections. what will happen with them? will they plead? will they cooperate? that'll be big trouble for them and others. will they go to trial? what will the southern district do? he's under criminal investigation. it will be remarkable to see the man who once led the southern district indicted. >> yes, the fact he led the division. >> i work there, it's hard to imagine, but it could happen. >> supreme court. this could be a ten-minute segment in and of itself. >> yeah. the big thing to know is roberts is now the swing vote. he's become more unpredictable. hooets been siding with the liberals. the docket we have in 2020 is going to be historic. huge cases about federal discrimination laws. the daca, almost 800,000 dreamers are going to be impacted by this decision. we're going to have the first major second amendment gun rights case. the first major abortion rights case. and the supreme court just recently took on the trump tax returns case. as if this wasn

we learned that prosecutors have seized 29 devices, a chunk of them from parnas and others from igor frumandefendant and this includes hard drives, laptops and cell phones and in the case of fruman they have obtained a satellite phone from his residence so this is part of the discovery process and a defense lawyer said they received 70,000 documents before the thanksgiving holiday from prosecutors but one of the attorneys said within the material it includes the search warrant affidavit, that kind of gives you a sense of the case and in that there were 26 pages redacted. so that is all related to uncharged conduct as part of the investigation that prosecutors are still undertaking and also today we learned that prosecutors are expecting to file additional charges against some of the men in the case but the details on that were not -- were not very many details about what they might entail. >> i assume we'll learn more about the associates in the coming days and weeks. kara scannell, thank you for that update. stay with us. we're keeping a close eye up on capitol hill where members of the ho

none more interesting than rudy giuliani's ukrainian buddies, lev parnas and igor fruman-- a.k.a. dee and tweedle "gonna take your thumb." on friday-- on friday? it was just friday. on friday, we learned that parnas has some dirt on ranking member of the house intelligence committee, and man seen here with his only friend, chair, devin nunes. according to his lawyer, parnas is ready to testify to congress that, in late 2018, nunes flew to vienna to meet with disgraced former ukrainian prosecutor, viktor shokin, to get dirt on biden. so, according to parnas, the top republican investigating whether trump tried to get dirt on biden, tried to get dirt on biden. it reminds me of the children's classic "nancy drew and the case of the man murdered by nancy drew." ( cheers and applause ) now-- take the first bite. it'll work. >> jon: caught red-handed! >> stephen: now, "the daily beast" and cnn broke this story. when cnn asked nunes for comment, he said, "to be perfectly clear, i don't acknowledge any questions from you in this lifetime or the next lifetime." wow. ( audience reacts ) wow

lev parnas, igor fruman, perhaps mike pence, mike pompeo knew, everybody knew this efforts to smear theo dig up or generate dirt on joe biden happened, it's not just the phone call. >> that's exactly right. some of the republicans would like to say to the president as well, it's just a phone call, are you really going to impeach the president around a phone call? it is much more. the phone call is one of the dramatic incidents in a months' long scheme by the president to coerce his ally into doing his dirty work to help his reelection. it w began with the firing of te ambassador, it happened long after she was smeared and recalled, it channeled other people, the three amigos, working rudy giuliani to try to get them to make these announcements of these investigations into biden and this bogus conspiracy theory about the 2016 election, and what's significant here stephen is the president didn't even care whether the investigation got done. he just wanted it announced so biden's name would be smeared. that was what he wanted, and he was willing to sacrifice our national security, withhold

parnas, along with list business partner, igor fruman is charged with illegally funneling money to ad other politicians. both men have pleaded not guilty. >>> let's turn to the 2020 presidential race for a moment. democratic presidential candidate mike bloomberg reportedly used prison labor to make phone calls on behalf of his campaign, contracting a call center company that ran two call centers in oklahoma state prisons and in one of the two prisons incarcerated people were contracted to make calls on behalf of the bloomberg campaign. in a response the campaign released a statement, saying in part we only learned about this when a reporter called this but as soon as we discovered which vendor subcontractor had done this, we immediately ended our relationship with the company, and the people who hired them. let's bring in nbc news political reporter, good to have you here on the set. first of all, we were talking about in offset a little bit. this is a bood look for any campaign to have an incident like this, to have something like this, this is particularly bad for michael bloomberg

when you have rudy giuliani, trump's personal lawyer, and lev parnas and igor fruman running around whore accountable to no one but themselves, i would argue i'd rather have the bureaucrats working for us. but these foreign service officers, they work long hours, often in difficult conditions in places like iraq and afghanistan, in places like china and russia where they're closely monitored and surveilled and often harassed. they did it for a lot less money than they would make in the private sector. they do it most of them out of a passion. they really believe in this american project, as corny as it sounds, they believe in advancing america's national security interests and values abroad. a lot of them have told me that in the last three years, you know, when you take the advancement of american values out of it and factor in the personal attacks and the fact that the state department is being basically eviscerated, the equation doesn't make sense anymore. we've seen a massive exodus. we got numbers that nobody had seen before in just the first two years of trump's administration, al

ongoing federal federal investigation of rudy giuliani's closest associates over the past year, igor frumannd lev parnas, these issues raised by the impeachment inquiry in the house will not go away, and house judiciary committee chairman jerry nadler and adam schiff said they will continue to pursue these even if president trump is acquitted because there will be more to investigate. what speaker pelosi has tried to do is give bsh did you still saying to the democratic base voter, we're not simply going to walk away from probes in the coming months. >> well, let's do this again. after a long day of reporting, leigh ann caldwell, robert costa, our thanks to both of you. >>> coming up for us, three men with 11 stars between them. mcmaster, mattis, kelly. we'll talk to the author of a new book on the relationship between trump and the generals who once advised him. >>> mr. president, are you concerned about north korea at all right now, the developments? >> we're watching it. we'll see. i'd be disappointed if something would be in the works, and if it is, we'll take care of it, but we'll see.

a hearing held today it can slip igor fruman and foreign money to make illegal campaign contributions. president trump and former fbi love your lisa page involved in an escalating war of words. breaking silence after the last couple of years in the headlines. but so far the anti-trump text messages haven't been fully explained. chief congressional mike emanuel has a story. good evening, mike. shannon good evening former fbi lisa page lawyer breaking silence nearly two years after personal tax messages made a very probe filmic public figure. she's defending with peter strzok who she was having an affair at the time telling the daily beast "having an opinion ensuring that public or privately with another person is squarely within the permissible bounds in its and the red. two in august 2016 when she text him trump is not ever going to become president, right? right? peter strzok responds no, no he's not. we postoperative. the text later that month, i want to believe the path you throughout for consideration in nancy's office that there's no way he gets elected but i'm afraid we can't ta

so, joyce, this is igor fruman. what do you think this is all about? >> right. so this is a joint defense agreement. we've seen this before. there was actually some reporting. ironically it was rudy giuliani that let it slip, that during the mueller investigation the president was involved in a joint defense agreement that let them talk with other potential subjects or targets of the investigation. and that's what a joint defense agreement is for. it's for people who believe that they're about to be indicted, probably in a conspiracy together, and it lets them share information without taking that information outside of the attorney-client privilege. the information is still protected. while they're sharing it, they can coordinate on a defense strategy. they can learn what people are telling prosecutors. this is what you do when you think that you're going to be indicted, and this is what rudy giuliani, the president's lawyer, is doing. >> joyce, you have said that delay is the democrats' best friend. on the subject of impeachment it does indeed, in addition to

whether it's lev parnas, igor fruman and the ukraine stuff. think this year ends in huge uncertainty for rudy giuliani. his legacy has been tarnished. >> who's on naughty mt. rushmore with giuliani? >> let's g o to the next one. hawryl hillary clinton. people will say you always fixate on her. she was the party's nominee three years ago. she was the secretary of state. and she was the first lady. she has a resume unlike anyone else in the party and really in the country. but she's done a couple things that i think don't make sense from a party building perspective or a public figure perspective. one, why did she attack tulsi gabbard and suggest that she was a russian asset? if you're going to say that, that's a pretty big charge. if i say john berman is a russian charge, and i say it's  because he likes the boston celtics. i think you have to be more cognizant of what your impact is. then another thing with hillary clinton, she is talking all about bernie sanders in the 2016 race. and how, well, he didn't get out soon enough. had he gotten ou

there's also lev's alleged partner in crime, igor fruman.h men are charged with funneling money to various campaigns and super pacs. they were near constant companions to the president's personal lawyer, rudy giuliani, who's now reportedly under federal investigation himself for a wide range of political crimes. giuliani is of course trump's current personal lawyer. the last guy to hold that title is serving time in prison in part for arranging hush money payments to two women right before the presidential election. also behind bars the president's campaign manager paul manafort. he's currently serving 7 1/2 years from charges stemming from the mueller investigation. that investigation also reeled in the president's deputy campaign manager rick gates as well as trump ally roger stone, and the president's former national security advisor mike flynn. the last two men roger stone and mike flynn are awaiting sentencing next year. and the president's recent comments are any indication they may be in for some good news. >> roger stone, are you goi

it's because the rudy giuliani associates lev parnas and igor fruman have approached the executive hopingh him. saying maybe we should get rid of the ceo. looking to see what was behind that. these men were trying to get a business deal going. they wanted some change at the company and they were working at the same time with rudy giuliani. so that has raised a lot of questions. what was rudy giuliani's involvement with this, if any, now prosecutors are starting to dig into this and to ask questions. rudy giuliani's lawyer says he has had no financial interest in the company. this gas company they were trying to get going. but it definitely raises questions and in a court hearing on monday, prosecutors said they were likely to bring a superseding indictment, that means additional charges. they said specifically about lev parnas that they are investigating him for other crimes. alisyn as many. >> oh, my gosh. the questions just keep adding up or piling up, i should say. thank you very much. >>> up next, we're going to speak with one of the four expert witnesses who testified at yesterday's

the second was in regard to igor fruman to a company csc holdings, the third related to mr. sondland, off to verizon. . the fourth was back to at&t. seeking information on a certain number. the fifth was back to at&t and the sixth was seeking subscriber information which impacted the veteran journalist john solomon and also involved with these are some of the attorneys. >> mr. castor you've been an investigator of the hillve and this is crazy, i've never seen anything like this, you haven't either, would it be interesting towo note because mr. goldman chooses not to answer because he don't want to incriminate himself or the chairman or somebody else, would it be interesting to e,find, as you he dealt with committee staff, somebody to just have an epiphany or were they under direction by somebody to do that. >> it's obvious they were trying tos figure something out. >> wait.ur i have one thingme for mr. goldman, mr. goldman, we're used to committeeol and people and witnesses taking gratuitous shots at people they don't like. earlier today in your testimony, you made a comment

she also asked him about his relationship with lev parnas and igor fruman. >> they look like miami people. i know a lot of miami people that look like that and are perfectly legitimate and act like them. neither one of them has ever been convicted of a crime. neither one. and generally that's my cut-off point. if you do it based on allegations and claims, well, you're not going to work with anybody he said laughing, particularly in business. well, dana, no, they've actually been charged with crimes. they've been charged with trying to -- with successfully illegally funneling money to u.s. elections. >> of course. he's trying to explain why he got involved with them in the first place and just used the giuliani google translate which john avlon can as well. i know a lot of guys like that who are players who you can see on the scene wanting to get into the mix. but it doesn't make them criminals. but you're, obviously, right. it's completely different when they have been indicted for crimes. >> and reminder of where the name fraud garuaranty came from. it's because parnas was indicted and d

this is criminal case in the southern district of new york that involves igor fruman and lev parnas.ident trump will be impeached, working with rudy giuliani. they are charged in the southern district of new york now with multiple felonies. and according to "the new york times," this lobbying firm that pam bondy worked at until like five minutes ago, ballard partners, they've been subpoenaed in that case in part because they paid thousands of dollars to lev parnas for some sort of business deal that appears to have coincided with the impeachment scheme. of all the firms she could have worked for, that's the one? the firm she has to leave in order to work on trump's impeachment defense just got subpoenaed for information about a time in which she had been working there in a criminal case related to the impeachment scandal? i mean, that's very awkward for her to be involved in the president's defense given that. not nearly as awkward, though, as this picture of lev parnas with pam bondy with their arms around each other. he of course is one of the defendants in that criminal case relat

request for documents from igor fruman, ignored. request for documents from the white house, ignored. request for documents from rudy giuliani, the president's lawyer, ignored. request for documents from john bolton, ignored. request for testimony from white house chief mick mulvaney, ignored. the red marks are basically that demonstrate noncompliance, that they were ignored. i think this is what you would call obstruction, plain and simple. in fact, the only people that have complied with our request have been patriotic servants, many of them denying orders that they don't comply. what presumptions should we make when the president prevents witnesses from complying with congressional subpoenas? >> let's use our common sense. people who have exculpatory evidence, which is a fancy way of saying evidence that shows their innocence, want the court to see the evidence. people who have evidence that demonstrates their innocence would bring that to congress. people who have evidence which they think may be inculpatory, people who have evi

as we know from some of the court feelings with igor fruman and lev parnas, they were on the take.y were being bankrolled by a ukrainian oligarch who wanted the prosecutors who were trying to crack down on corruption out of the way, including marie yovanovitch, the ambassador, because they needed to do whatever money laundering and investing in u.s. political races that they wanted. and rudy giuliani was going to be paid $500,000 by lev parnas. maybe he was paid that, but that was the deal. and so here's what giuliani says about his business interests in ukraine. while attempting to argue that despite what has been written, quote, i have no business interests in ukraine. he told me about his business interests in ukraine, quote, i've done two business deals in ukraine. i've sought four or five others he said. isn't this the heart of the matter? he wanted to make -- rudy giuliani kept going to ukraine because the president -- >> i see john wincing already. >> i think because president trump wanted him to look for. >> the dirt. >> to dig up durt dirt, and he was making a lot of money

. >> their names are igor fruman and lev parnas and they were arrested at a washington airport with whatcutors say were one-way tickets out of the country >> rudy giuliani has previously stated that he has worked with the two men on efforts to get ukraine to investigate former vice president joe biden >> seth: i can't believe a guy who looks like a vampire had a henchman named igor. is this a -- [ laughter ] -- mary shelley novel? what was igor's job? to open rudy's coffin? "master, arise." [ laughter and applause now, the danger for rudy and for trump is that these guys might flip on them and give prosecutors more evidence about their scheme and now that two of his close associates have been arrested and charged with crimes, rudy might be regretting the fact he's been all over tv blabbing about his involvement in all of this in fact, here are some of rudy's greatest and most nonsensical highlights from just the last few weeks. >> did you read the transcript >> like to say, it was read to me >> it was read to you, the whole thing. >> i hope. >> shut up, moron. shut up. >> okay. >> shut u

the disclosure was made during a court hearing in new york related to the case of lev parnas and igor frumanrrested last month for violating campaign finance laws and pleaded not guilty. and giuliani acknowledged that parnas and fruman aassisted in his effort to dig up dirt on the bidens. prosecutors seized thousands of files and data and dozens of cell phones from parnas and fruman and two other giuliani associates charged in the case. a prosecutor told the court monday that parnas has not provided the passwords to his phones, despite numerous requests. and the fbi is using its technology to try and unlock the phones. >>> california congressman duncan hunter is expected to plead guilty today in san diego to misusing campaign funds. it was a criminal case that he once called a witch hunt. in an interview, the republican lawmaker announced he will plead guilty to one count of misusing campaign funds, saying he is responsible for not properly monitoring the money. the prosecutors had charged hunter and his wife, saying they had converted and stole more than a quarter of a million in campaign f

parnas and another associate, igor fruman, assisted giuliani in his representation of president trumpall right. this guy seays or he said that he's part of donald trump's legal team. he's back in court and it reason is because prosecutors wanted to revoke the bail he'd been granted after they managed to uncover a secret $1 million transfer that parnas received from a russian bank. the good news for parnas is that the judge said he could remain out on bail. the bad or more intriguing news is the source of that $1 million. joining me now for more on that is natasha bertram. national security correspondent with politico and msnbc contributor. all right. so prosecutors last week said, look, we found -- there was $1 million from a russian bank account deposited in your count that you didn't tell us about. we want to revoke bail over it. today we fountain the source of the money. where did it come from? >> prosecutors said this actually came from a lawyer for demeetry furtash which is ukrainian oligarch due to be extradited to the united states for bribery charges. and he's been working wit

, but also potentially other international clients of rudy giuliani, whether it's lev parnas or igor fruman or he has an associate who's been indicted in my hometown of chicago. so this is the type of problem that you see when our foreign policy gets colko commandeered other purposes and that's why this whole series of incidents and wrongdoing is so serious. >> testimony from marie yovanovitch, from bill taylor, from fiona hill and others who would know because they worked in that world of foreign policy testified that rudy giuliani had undo influence. they talked about what happened with gordan sondland. they talked about john bolton, saying that rudy giuliani is cooking up something. it's clear that the people who would think that there's somebody in their space who's exercising influence over the president and foreign policy, to them it represented a shadow foreign policy mechanism or structure. the republican response that you and i talked about briefly that came out last night finds that that didn't exist and that there was, again, no wrongdoing by anybody but that such a thing didn't

is really awry with rudy giuliani and now that we know that his known associates lev parnas and igor frumanng vigorously prosecuted by the sdny and giuliani is under investigation, we know that lev parnas has a tendency to talk, that he's cooperating, has provided documents to congress so far. if i were rudy giuliani i would keep a low profile but you and i both know he can't help himself. >> he can't help himself. glenn, we know the president is receiving free legal services from giuliani but now this from "the new york times," reporting trump, quote, didn't mention giuliani or his unpaid labor in the annual financial disclosure which requires that the value and source of gifts be publicly listed. is this a finance violation, and, if so, how problematic is it? >> you know, with bill barr running the justice department no infraction, no violation of the law by trump is problematic for trump. let me circle back to the lev parnas thing because it was i think amuse that go lev parnas apparently when he and his lawyers were reporting tots judge in his case his assets somehow a million dollar pa

the second was with regard to igor fruman, company csc holdings. the third related to mr. sondland. the fourth was back to at&t seeking information. the fifth at&t. the sixth was seeking subscriber information, which impacted the veteran journalist john solomon. also involved are some of the attorneys involved. >> i have never seen anything like this and neither have you. mr. goldman chooses not to answer because he does not want to incriminate himself, the chairman, or anyone else. would it be interesting to you to find somebody who just had an epiphany to do those on their own, or where they under direction to do that? >> obviously, they were trying to figure something out. rep. collins: that is it. i have one thing for mr. goldman. are used to committees and witnesses taking gratuitous shots of people i do not like. in your testimony, you made a .omment that goes to issue you made a snide comment and your facial expression showed, --t he was a million-dollar the implication was he was loyal to the president. i will not question your motives or your position today, but we need to

is he a lawyer for his indicted colleagues lev parnas and igor fruman? is he an unofficial private member of the state department? and now a new hat nap of documentarian. it's hard to say rudy giuliani can say he's representing a client when doing other things that aren't normally legal services and advice traditionally what we lawyers do for our clients. >> got a lot of hats. >> many hats. some the babushka, the big -- you know, the russian hat. maybe the wrong word, some say he may be a suspect soon. who knows? danny cevallos, thank you. >>> with just under two months until the nation's first caucus, the democratic presidential hopefuls are crisscrossing the country today. while most are flooding the iowa and new hampshire area, michael bloomberg and andrew yang campaigning in texas and marion williamson in utah. vaughn hillyard where several presidential candidates are participating in a forum hosted by one of the country's largest labor union out there. so what are the issues that the candidates are hitting on right there? >> reporter: yeah. you'll s

requests for documents from giuliani igor fruman, ignored. requests for documents from rudy giuliani, the president's lawyer, ignore pd. "from testimony of national security adviser john bolton, ignored. requests from the testimony of white house chief of staff, mick mulvaney, ignored. here's a list of all the requests that have been made, the red marks are basically to demonstrate noncompliance, they've been ignored. i think this is what you call obstructi obstruction, plain and simple. the only people that have complied are patriotic public servan servan servants. i mean, i guess i just ask, what presumptions should we make when the president prevents witnesses from complying with congressional subpoenas? >> let's use our common sense. people who have exculpatory evidence, a fancy way of saying evidence that shows their innocence, want the court to see the evidence. people who have evidence that demonstrates their innocence would bring that to congress. people who have evidence which they think may be inculpatory, evidence to lead people to

second was in regard to igor fruman. the third related to mr. sondland, off to verizon. the fourth was back to at&t seeking information on a certain number. the fifth was back to at&t. the sixth was seeking subscriber information which impacted the veteran journalist john solomon and also involved with these are some, you know, some attorneys involved. >> could i ask you a question. mr. castor, you've been a veteran of the hill investigation for 15 years. this is crazy. i've never seen anything like this. you have not either. is it interesting to note because mr. goldman doesn't want to answer because he doesn't want to incriminate himself or the chairman or somebody else. would somebody have an epiphany to do those match records on their own? >> they were trying to figure something out. >> wait, i have one thing for mr. goldman. mr. goldman we're used for committees and witnesses takiei gratuitous shots at people they don't like. you made a comment, when your testimony you said as you were discussing mr. sondland you made a snide comment, actually your facial expression

requests for documents from giuliani igor fruman, ignored. requests for documents from rudy giuliani, the president's lawyer, ignore pd. "from testimony of national security adviser john bolton, ignored. requests from the testimony of white house chief of staff, mick mulvaney, ignored. here's a list of all the requests that have been made, the red marks are basically to demonstrate noncompliance, they've been ignored. i think this is what you call obstructi obstruction, plain and simple. the only people that have complied are patriotic public servan servan servants. i mean, i guess i just ask, what presumptions should we make when the president prevents witnesses from complying with congressional subpoenas? >> let's use our common sense. people who have exculpatory evidence, a fancy way of saying evidence that shows their innocence, want the court to see the evidence. people who have evidence that demonstrates their innocence would bring that to congress. people who have evidence which they think may be inculpatory, evidence to lead people to

the disclosure was made during a court hearing in new york related to the case of lev parnas and igor fruman month for violating campaign finance laws. they have pleaded not guilty. giuliani has acknowledged that parnas and fruman assisted in his efforts to dig up dirt on the bidens. prosecutors seized thousands of files, data, and dozens of cell phones from parnas and fruman as well as two other giuliani associates charged in the case. a prosecutor told the court monday that parnas has not mode of provide. the pass wards to his phones despite numerous requests and the fbi is using its technology to try to unlock the phones. and what, danny, white be unlocked in all of this with these two characters and rudy giuliani himself? >> the prosecutors and defense attorneys are like wishing it was back in the 1990s before the data era and these tear roo rah bites and gigabytes of information that are contained just in phones or laptop computers. but that's the kind of thing that reveals everything about somebody's life. and so prosecutors in sifting through all of this evidence may be uncovering mor

igor. learning focusing in on this ukraine state-owned natural gas company and parnas and fruman met with onexecutives. they wanted him to -- they wanted to oust the ceo and replace him with someone they thought would be more favorable as they were pushing a business deal doing this again same time they're working with giuliani and prosecutors interviewed the ceo of that company. reached out to and/or have interviewed fourer to people associated with that. really honing in on what was going on in these efforts around this ukrainian oil company, could be about following the money. remains to be seen if giuliani will be charged with anything but we're seeing this investigation grow. >> as the investigation is growing he's over there in ukraine. elie to you what must he be thinking to be going on this mission over this conspiracy theory? >> a question the house intelligence committee, southern district of new york and fbi are all asking themselves as well. i don't know what rudy giuliani thinks the end game is here. come back to the united states with a banker's box full of documents and walk it