arrest of the general today or the relief of command, the fact that in the last couple months, igor gerkining rounded up and there are interesting questions who else is on the flight, if indeed prigozhin is, where would that leave the wagner group? but from the footage, it's a finger in the wind but edge towards it being shot down from what i can see anyway. christian: befor we come to who is onboard, but if it were a heat seeking missile it would focus on the hottest part of the plane which is the engine that would take the wing off as we saw with the nh-17 crash, correct? patrick: exactly. it would depend on what missile was used and what the homing system was. but if you're talking about the nh-17 crash, the missile got close, very close to the engine but not actually hit and explode within a diameter and peppering the rest of the fuselage with shrapnel and then causing the breakup of the plane as a result of the damage sustained. it depends, you don't know exactly how -- what missile was used and how it actually hit. christian: i'm just trying to imagine this crew on the ground. i mean