there, yes, he was exiled there, this is also a great example of all this, we will now return to igor kravets , mr. igor, andriy kozytskyi reminded me of this famous formula, if you forgive us, we are sorry and we ask for your forgiveness, but i remember that this formula when it was applied by the polish bishops in a letter to the german priests, it received a complete condemnation in poland at that time, it was criticized by the leadership of the polish people's republic, and it was not accepted in society, it was used for anti-clerical propaganda, and here the question arises, to what extent such a formula, if it is timely or not, can really help historical reconciliation, because we have said many times in relation to ukrainian-polish relations , we apologize and ask for... but it never fully worked, that's the trick, it's not that it didn't work, vitaly, it didn't at all heard, especially in recent years, i don't know, do you remember this gesture of president poroshenko, 2016, when he kneels in front of the monument to the victims of the volyn tragedy in warsaw, in volyn square, and the

all the time when it comes to some fundamental events, we will now talk to the polish journalist igor kravets, congratulations mr. igor, good day, congratulations, glory. well, this is a very important point that we repeat again and again we meet with the situation of the hero slava in what concerns the polish attitude to the tragedies experienced by the ukrainian and polish people during the second world war. volyn, which was obviously a great tragedy, and the tragedy of the polish people, which cannot be denied, the vistula operation, which was a great ukrainian tragedy, but we always see. but i would say, to a certain extent, what one never wanted to see in the relations between two neighboring nations is a competition in sacrifice, who suffered more, who should apologize more, who should find his a place whose policy of historical memory is correct, i will tell you, mr. igor, that i once had a rather strange situation, i was talking to polish students just after the book grosa neighbors about the pogrom in jedvabno, a famous story, was published. the pogrom committed by the inhabitants of

igor, igor kravets, polish journalist, we will return to the studio. i would like to explain the political implications, this week the european union, finally, i would say separated albania and north macedonia, which were supposed to hold negotiations on european integration together, he said that with albania , negotiations are starting, in north macedonia they will start only when north macedonia fulfills these conditions, which were reached by it in a compromise with bulgaria, conditions of history, historical, i would say ethnographic. character, to put it so clearly, because in order to start negotiations on the stupa, the european union, north macedonia must recognize the bulgarian identity of north macedonia itself, to change the constitution, to change one's own view of history, these are not related to the european union at all, but these are bulgarian conditions, and now we have a very similar problem in terms of consequences with poland, maybe with other neighbors, and polish politicians have a competition, one might say between those says f

well, now we will, i hope, restore the connection with our guest igor kravets, a polish journalist, withhom we will now talk about this, about the operational situation in poland. mr. igor, please let us know what is happening now, how the authorities are trying to deal with the consequences of the natural disaster. hello, good day, glory to ukraine, the government, in principle, was preparing, for in my opinion, quite intensively since last week, that is, here in principle, on the one hand, there are objective data on how the authorities were preparing, and in my opinion, after all, the preparations were quite revealing both on the part of the central government and on the of self-government, that is , the crisis crisis headquarters in wrocław was convened. also, if i'm not mistaken, on friday last week, instead it was done last week, when before the first wave of big water came, in principle, the disaster of the year 97 in poland, when it was under water, it was the city of wroclaw, that is, these are the territories that are most, let's say, exposed to flooding in poland, as in ukrain