vitaly potnikov and our guests, the director of the middle eastern center, are with you studies ihorolosy, diplomat and politician valery chala. we congratulate you once again and join our conversation with the russian oppositionist, former deputy of the state duma of the russian federation ilya panomalyov. now he is in touch with us. congratulations good evening. well, here we are now. to discuss here and there, in principle, if we are talking about this confrontation between democracy and dictatorships, the question arises of how to fight dictatorships, for ukraine this is an urgent moment, it is a russian dictatorship, how in principle it can be overthrown. modified or should i say forced to behave more cautiously, these are the issues that should be discussed, well, let's start with you, mr. ilya, well, with fire and sword, and how else and how else, well, that is, there are no democratic ways here now exists, if we are talking about dictatorships, dictatorships can only be defeated by force, and of course, well, this... it may not be exclusively there such brute force, one must also