appealed the complaint, they stayed that complaint while the university. decided where to introduce the ihra definition of antisemitism i got the university changed the rules university ch the rules they investigated me they find me not guilty at all of any anti-semitism ever uh and that the thing went away this is in december 2020 six weeks later i went a public meeting and i said i attacked about by these people didn't mention the names of the people and then there was a huge campaign uh tens of lobby groups more than 100% mps members of the house of lords call for me to be sacked the papers uh the university unilaterally uh uh another investigation of me but no student complain but they investigated me anyway they found again i wasn't anti-semitic but the was that should be sad because i have made some students upset the case still ongoing my case at employment tribunal against the university it's not not finished yet we won the results for some time but that had you obvious uh effect on me and i was from um job, of course they are engaged in intimidation and bullying and to cancel people

definition of that, every west country uh more or less has has embraced that new definition by the ihra, um, how do you see that? what kind of impact is happening on the ground here in in the uk and probably the proper? i i think the fact that so many jewish people have come out against sionism has played a big role in in making this difference because i think before it was seen like very clearly i think in the uk because if you look at us i think the palestinian activism has been led by the jewish the non jews however i think in uk it's the muslims muslims are in the forefront of you know fighting for palestine so when because it was muslims who used to talk about equating judaism to to zionism, it was very easy to crack down on muslims and and to make us look like we are anti-sematic, but when it's jews and in their huge numbers they themselves are talking about this, i think now it's becoming really uncomfortable and and unreasonable to equate the so i think that has played a lot of role, but also on on the issue of of media, you think it is the unsung heroes of of really the work th

we all remember the definition of the ihra, the international holocaust remember alliance definition of anti-semitism adopted by the uk, has been your experience as far as criticism, my personal experience, yes, i was a an active labor party member and was suspended and accused of antisemitism, i am jewish, and you think i would know what anti-semitism was and would would avoid it, was this happened during the jeremy corban years, yes, that's right, indeed, one of the charges against me uh was uh based on the the... next of whatever the word is the the script, no, what i said a a press tv show, so because of what i said there, was accused and convicted of antisemitism, and it was probably palestine declassified, that's probably the show you might have, i can't remember the name, it was few years ago, and they suspended me for 18 months, i'm now allowed to be member, but they do say need anti-semitism training, however they haven't actually offered it to me yet, i think perhaps "it's the labor party that needs training on what anti-semitism is it, but this whole idea that we can exten

and then the ihra antisemitism definition, which basically says the comparison to not see germany intic. given that you are a jewish the descended of holocaust survivors, what do you make of this abuse of antisemitism in the criticizing of israel? >> it scares me. i do know the antisemitism is real. when people lump into the same pile, things that are antisemitism, such as actual violent attacks, which have happened here in germany, which have happened in the united states, i read about the squirrel hill attacks not that long ago. there is actual antisemitism, including in college campuses. when things that are not antisemitism, things that are legitimate political critiques of israel, or even acknowledged in the critical part -- not essentially antisemitic critiques of zionism. they should not be lumped together with antisemitism. they should actually be putting us in -- that would put it in more danger instead of protect us. >> one quick question. when you see elected republicans pretending to care about jewish americans while endorsing an antisemitic replacement theory, while supp

times with with tories to woo first time buyers and finally the daily telegraph number 10 plans to end ihralet's get back to journalist and broadcaster. we have benjamin butterworth, we have linda, we have hillary. welcome back guys . have hillary. welcome back guys. um, know i want? um, you know what i want? because we immediately got so sort of passionate about linda. you were just talking this thing about the daily express in scandal rip off hospital scandal of rip off hospital parking charges of everything, this you up. this kind of this riles you up. >> and it's >> so inflammatory. and it's because . because throughout this because. because throughout this yean because. because throughout this year, mother has been very year, my mother has been very ill and i've had go to sorry ill and i've had to go to sorry hospital to try and, um, to try and visit her regularly . me hospital to try and, um, to try and visit her regularly. me and the whole scenario is deplorable , awful. i mean, the fact that people have to pay so much to visit their sick relatives , and visit their sick relatives, a