ilan and i have been friends for a long time.what i do, i watch what he does, and look, the reason that i got the idea to do the norton anthology of african american literature is that they published the norton anthology of women's literature. so i was watching the feminists, think, "well, if they can do it, we can do it." then ilan saw that... >> they did exactly the same. >> yes. >> 10, 12, 13 years ago... >>m-hmm. >> ...skip did, and i thought, "it is time for latinos to do it." he was a role model, he was a mentor, and i said, "this is a moment that some... in which i have to assume my own responsibility and do something that skip has already done. >> which is why you've got to give me a royalty. ( laughing ) >> hinojosa: right now, in this moment, though, when the reality is that our demographics have changed so much, you know, we have to name it, right? we have to be able to say, "i may look like this, but i have african roots," righ that's why... >> is that why you wear the cowry shell? >> hinojosa: this is why i wear the