chairman you have always been consistent just like chairman iliana ros-lehtinen and i want to but thank both of you that i just want to make a couple of comments and the ranking member of was very kind in her introduction and mentioned how some of this might have some family history. the issue of human rights has nothing to do with family history because i for one am opposed to oppression in communist china, and north korea, in vietnam and i don't know i was a very young man when we had sanctions against south africa and i supported the sanctions in south africa. i'm assuming the ranking member was also opposed to sanctions in south africa because i'm assuming obviously she is also less consistent as the chairman is on these issues. i supported as a young man the sanctions against south africa because doing business with the apartheid regime was not the folks that were struggling for freedom. all it does was help prop up that regime in south africa. mr. chairman i could let this time slaiby. >> and i asked the gentleman to yield for a minute? >> i really was on to trying to acknowledge

florida who was born in cuba and feels just as passionately about this is anybody misplays iliana ros-lehtinen >> thank you mr. chabot and following up on your thought about brutality wherever those victims are i wanted to give ms. jacobs and the opportunity secretary jacobsen to answer that questions. how can marlena alejandra explained to their daughters whether grandfather who was killed by the castro regime and his life meant nothing and the person who is in jail as a co-conspirator of the murder of her father was pardoned, set free and returned to cuba and received a hero's welcome. what does she say to her girls? >> let me start out by saying that i can never bring back her grandfather and i can never do more than express my sadness and my condolences to her. it's something that should not have happened. >> when she was told by you and others of the trade would not take place this is a swap is it not? >> madam chair i just want to say an exchange of intelligence agents between two countries is something that this government and previous administrations have done many times. >> but at the