kyiv-mohyla academy, to whom the director of the democratic initiatives foundation named after ilko kucherevl help mr. oleksiy help us deal with africa and understand it. it is also difficult to understand because what seems absolutely obvious to us in the countries of the global cock - it looks a little different, i will honestly tell you that when the full-scale invasion of russia began, it seemed to me that the whole the world should go to the russian embassies with protests and so on. well, on february 24 , if the russians were hiding us there, no, they couldn't figure it out. i couldn't really figure it out and this was done on purpose, and after that it seemed to me well, i, but it turned out that after all, for many of these countries it's not entirely clear and i let's start right away with the problems and then we 'll talk about our victories, yes , we need to finish on e-e positive means a problem the problem lies in the fact that if we take all these countries, especially africa, let's take africa, africa, asia - it is very anti-there in the heads of all anti-westerners, that is,

to ukraine well, i'm just now joined by taras zhovenko , international security expert of the ilko kucherevion for democratic initiatives, and i congratulate you , mr. taras, good evening . i congratulate you. good evening . i will quote there it is said that we will be able to send ukraine an invitation to join the alliance when the members of the alliance agree and the conditions are met, is this an asset or a disappointment in your opinion for the official kyiv e-e considering that in in principle, the issue of the official invitation of ukraine to the alliance at the moment, well, let's just say that there was no constant support , it was hardly possible to expect that exactly at this summit, precisely at this stage, it will be possible to hear about the official invitation of ukraine to join nato. that is well, from the very beginning, in the end, we could count so much on the fact that ukraine would be invited to join the alliance right now, that is , this very invitation would be announced, because, well, formally, after the alliance would have announced such a decision now on theref