with an aim of sustainability, illy founded the illycaffe, an initiative that works side by side withrs, offering them free training to implement best practices with a low environmental impact. andrea illy is still with me. were you always a coffee geek because of your family? or did you sometimes think of not going into the coffee business? andrea: i have the arrogance to describe myself as a and coffee scientist, but this is only because of my background and how i spend my life. i'm a chemist by background, and i studied chemistry for the specific goal of knowing how to further improve quality, and this is why we work so much in the agronomical practices and industrial processes and developing new technologies, but it's a little bit beyond the coffee geek. you coffee geek. francine: is that why you're worried about sustainability? is that the biggest risk for the coffee industry? andrea: sustainability is extremely relevant, both the socioeconomical one because you have to remember that coffee is loved and consumed by rich countries. it used to be 80% of the consumption was in oecd