ilya i want to start with you.says any decision not to defend laws must be exceedingly rare and exceptional circumstance but he says game marriage is an exception because he called it one of the defining civil rights challenges of our time. does he have a point? >> unfortunately, not. first of all there is something problematic about the u.s. attorney general telling state attorneys general how they are supposed to behave. there is something tissue about federal over reach in to state prerogatives. but moreover, when you are a lawyer you have to duty of zealous representation of your client. if there are any nonfrivolous arguments to be made to support the law at issue the state attorney general is bound to present those no court. if he hats an ethical problem beyond that he should recuse or resign. i think holder is way over the line on multiple levels. >> and christine, holder said the decisions should never be political or based on policy objections. in effect isn't that what he's asking attorneys general to do

we will be talking some more with you, ilya.need to get back to talk to the protesters and talk to people on the ground. peter cook is with us. i also have olivia sterns, who is looking at the date for the presidential election. it sounds like protesters don't want to wait this long but walk us through the timeframe. >> i wanted to add context about russia house -- russia's role. his all caps off 3 months ago because viktor yanukovych took a away from a trade agreement with closer ties to the eu. it looks like russia had the upper hand. they offered a $15 billion lifeline to keep ukraine afloat, a gas deal that was going to save the economy. look at what has happened in the last 24 hours. eu foreign minister's in kiev overnight brokering this power deal could it sounds like the power has shifted back into the eu sphere perhaps vladimir putin's options for controlling ukraine are running out. we heard from the foreign minister survey log rough -- sergei lavrov in baghdad, saying that sis just a ploy to get ukraine to make the eu

we do not want -- >> it looks like we have lost ilya there. kiev,rkhipov there in obviously reporting literally from the scene where protesters had just gathered up, for example, a box of grenades. we hope that he is a safe and we will continue to try contacting him. obviously it is still tense. there still is the possibility of violence. >> just as we get headlines here that there is a truce and a deal , it is not mean on the ground that the protesters feel the same way. >> exactly. we will talk to hans later about the financial situation because it is key to this as well. and speaking of financial situations, remember when the government bailed out fannie and freddie? now they are writing the government a big check because they are making dozens of billions of dollars in profits. stick with us for that. ♪ >> fannie mae is on an incredible role, and u.s. taxpayers are the big winners. the housing finance giant bailed out by the government in 2008 announced it will write a 7.2 billion dollar check to the treasury department after reporting its

. >> right, there seems to be a great divide here, ilya.iced last night where the mayor of your kiev stepped away from support of the president. how crucial was that? >> it was an important move, t as well as over dozen of yanukovych party lawmakers fwreet the party and the parliament condemned the violence yesterday, and they adopted a resolution calling for troops to withdraw. it's a big change, but it's change. i've just spoken with policemen who came from -- well, the western part of ukraine. it came with 14 other policemen today, they do decide the protesters, and they came with -- he said that they came with guns, and they are among the protesters wearing police uniform. >> ilya, that's a very important distinction right there. that transition, the police are now joining the protesters. why are they doing that? why are they willing to leave the government, their employer, and side with the protesters? >> the main thing so far, the police has arrived not from kiev. it's not the kiev police. it's the western ukraine police, which is a l

i have to ask a question about the numbers -- 19 ilya and dollars, 11% of the facebook market cap ort >> it's a bit like the instagram acquisition. was instagram worth $1 billion? zuckerbergn for mark is around maintaining share engagement and share of social activity. whatsapp has 450 million active users come a 75% of them active every day. that is a significant advantage of they spoke users. -- of facebook users. they are taking a big chunk of people who should have been using facebook and they are using facebook first. do you just sit and compete with that? they have been looking at facebook message for the last year or so and that has not stopped the clock. you might say this is a great mobile conversation and that should be part of facebook. >> looking at the landscape of mobile messaging apps, you are in taiwan and you have seen the rise of wichat and others. do you think this is worth it? >> i tend to think it is. i think the price per user is very reasonable. the growth is fantastic. viber big difference with which had plateaued. it's not a great comparison. the three that m

joining me now is ilya shapiro, editor in chief of the cato supreme court review. the arizona law. what's your argument. >> next week i'm filing a brief supporting the challenges on appeal in utah and oklahoma. i filed briefs in their supreme court. i'm all for gay rights. the problem here is what your segment talked about, the new mexico photographer on whose behalf i have filed a brief, other businesses that are being sued for declining not to serve gay couples but to work gay marriages, there's a very important distinction there. >> let's be clear here, there's no -- the stipulation of the legislation in the bill that the governor vetoed, doesn't say anything about gay marriages, it creates a broad defense for people who are sued to cite their religious conscience, and that could be a variety of things. we can imagine a case in which someone says, woman who has come into my shop i will not serve you because you're not covering your hair and it offends my sensibilities, and you could use your conscience in defense of a lawsuit. >> that may well be, and it would p

are you seeing a lot of ilya mares come out of technology?r about 20 years but this was eye-popping. -- it is fueling the discussion if this is another bubble. >> you cannot help but ask. if you are a kid coming out of school today, silicon valley seems to be the place where you stand to see the most opportunity to strike it big. >> a lot of wealth opportunity continues. >> are these billionaires primarily come out of tech knowledge he? >> well, that's certainly the ones we talk about. there is a passion and luxury goods is minting new billionaires. atthere is some happy people this company today, thank you for being with us. coming up, the former united states ambassador to the ukraine will join me to give us some context on the renewed violence in the nation's capital. we are tracking this developing story. these are live pictures -- these are just pictures from last night. these of the protest that have been underway and we will discuss all of this next. ♪ >> time for the global outlook. the ukraine interior minister has announced that com