[laughter] kennedy: ilya shapiro is back. welcome everyone.'s talk about this because the crime wave in big cities and even smaller towns, alexander, it is been bad news for democrats. especially this is something democrat leadership had really warned against was defunded the police slogan era. the impact it has had on cities has been very deleterious last year going this year, your thoughts? >> absolutely perfect with the president's trying do tomorrow is head off criticism going into the 2022 midterms grade republicans who run campaigns will run off the success they had in effectively using an weapon icing the democrats defend the police rhetoric and 2020s a lot of those key congressional seats failed to capture. i think that is with the president is trying to do. again he's going back to what he says are root causes. we have seen addressing root causes has gotten them with respect to control the u.s. southern border, it hasn't. there are root causes are going to be restricting law-abiding gun owners for that that's not going to stop the blo

well, to discuss can now speak to us supreme court and us constitution expert ilya shapiro who is thea levy center for constitutional studies at the cato institute. thank you so much for coming on the programme. thank you so much for coming on the programme-— the programme. what is your reaction to — the programme. what is your reaction to the _ the programme. what is your reaction to the decision - the programme. what is your reaction to the decision by i the programme. what is yourl reaction to the decision by the supreme court? it wasn't a surprise, as serious and existential challenges nine years ago when famouslyjohn roberts the cheap justice construed the mandate to buy insurance as a tax and upheld at that way. what has changed in the meantime, congress has zeroed out the penalty one pays with a tax were not without changing the rest of the law which means the rest of the analysis, some sort of ideological vote, including the newest justice, ideological vote, including the newestjustice, amy coney barrett, who the democrats say is a vote voted to oppose —— upholder because the

alexander woke steven bearman and ilya shapiro.new york city and this is what they are are doing in california soap anyone ever complained about the u.s. being behind begin eat glasses with programs like this alexander. >> absolutely and the problem with all of these equity programs put into place in schools is that they fundamentally deny human nature and it's an inescapable fact that nowhere are your differences more apparent than in middle school and high school. these programs don't really help the kids that are hurting and are doing as well because if you stick these kids into class with a bunch of high achievers and high performers they are going to get the attention they need. they are going to not he is engaged in i just you know if someone who was that kid in math class to kid in ap classes in history i find it to be a terrible shame. kennedy: it is off-line kids don't learn at the same level. this is so counterintuitive to success and why it is pushed to punish kids who happen to be her fission in certain areas? we should