it is the imlance. people will rely on themselves not taxpayers so people can live a decent life. >> is a learning lovell wage, an entry-level. kids are going to high-school. livingat home. no living wage. show up on time. john: now it is illegal. >> you seeing academic credit is a fair substitute? john: there is bureaucratic demand to get credit? >> absolutely. if you say and exchange you offer academic critic that is fine. in exchange i will not be paid over a small amount that is fine. john: no money or no credit? >> it is fair. once you make a demand for credit they may say i don't want the hassle. john: abc always were in june with democratic thinking. they decided we will pay erybody $10 per hour. that is great for those who got the job. but they cut them in have. >> exactly. i would rather see the opera -- opportunities negative not at all. that is the unintended consequence. >> steven greenhouse, you mentioned wealthier students can take advantage of unpaid internships. what about those students