this thing takes care from the elderly and gives it to the immigrants. bill: why does it take care from the elderly? >> if you're going to ration medical care, who's not going to get the hip replacement, the 40-year-old or the 80-year-old. bill: because if he's old he won't get it. >> and a quarter of the healthcare dollars are spent in the patient's last part of their life. that's where they're going no cut it. bill: the life expectancy you expect to drop? >> yes, absolutely, just like in kran da, the cancer death rate is 16% higher. bill: morris' book "catastrophe" deals with a lot of stuff very specifically. i understood everything you said. >> good. bill: tonight. don't agree wit all? >> you know why? i weren't to columbia. it's better than harvard. bill: mark lamont hill has a different view. and later a big controversy surrounding erin andrews. surrounding erin andrews. this o o o o o one o oñÑ the dodge chrysler and jeep summer clearance is here, and it's the best time to get some of the best deals. get in now and get the chrysler town & country with a

they will immigrate. bill: they have cap and trade in spain. >> they have had cap and trade in europe. they have had it for some time. it has failed. it has failed to lower emissions significantly. they have not met their target. emissions have continued to go up. they did have an exchange like we are talking about to exchange these permits to pollute. people made millions of dollars off it. they still didn't effect co 2 emissions. bill: this sounds to me, cheryl, like a big con. >> why? it's a way to make money. they are going to do it. bill: what about president obama's change we can believe in for the little guy. this enriches goldman sachs. >> sure. bill: why doesn't goldman sachs pay any federal income tax. >> goldman sak's took tarp money. they took taxpayer money. they paid it back and just reported a blow out quarter in earnings this morning. bill: why then the don't they pay taxes like you and i. >> because they are goldman sachs. bill: there has got to be a reason. >> it may be a pass through capital

this thing takes care from the elderly and gives it to the immigrants. bill: why does it take care from the elderly? >> if you're going to ration medical care, who's not going to get the hip replacement, the 40-year-old or the 80-year-old. bill: because if he's old he won't get it. >> and a quarter of the healthcare dollars are spent in the patient's last part of their life. that's where they're going no cut it. bill: the life expectancy you expect to drop? >> yes, absolutely, just like in kran da, the cancer death rate is 16% higher. bill: morris' book "catastrophe" deals with a lot of stuff very specifically. i understood everything you said. >> good. bill: tonight. don't agree wit all? >> you know why? i weren't to columbia. it's better than harvard. bill: mark lamont hill has a different view. and later a big controversy surrounding erin andrews. this o o o o o one o o o o bill: the president answered questions for 46 minutes, many of them about health care. here now dr. mark lamont hill, an obama supporter and fox news analyst. ok. now, you get my point

this thing takes care from the elderly and gives it to the immigrants. bill: why does it take care from the elderly? >> if you're going to ration medical care, who's not going to get the hip replacement, the 40-year-old or the 80-year-old. bill: because if he's old he won't get it. >> and a quarter of the healthcare dollars are spent in the patient's last part of their life. that's where they're going no cut it. bill: the life expectancy you expect to drop? >> yes, absolutely, just like in kran da, the cancer death rate is 16% higher. bill: morris' book "catastrophe" deals with a lot of stuff very specifically. i understood everything you said. >> good. bill: tonight. don't agree wit all? >> you know why? i weren't to columbia. it's better than harvard. bill: mark lamont hill has a different view. and later a big controversy surrounding erin andrews. surrounding erin andrews. this o o o o o one o o o o president obama: i took a trip to elkhart, indiana, today. elkhart's a place that has lost jobs faster than anywhere else in america. the unemployment rate wen

they will immigrate. bill: they have cap and trade in spain. >> they have had cap and trade in europe. they have had it for some time. it has failed. it has failed to lower emissions significantly. they have not met their target. emissions have continued to go up. they did have an exchange like we are talking about to exchange these permits to pollute. people made millions of dollars off it. they still didn't effect co 2 emissions. bill: this sounds to me, cheryl, like a big con. >> why? it's a way to make money. they are going to do it. bill: what about president obama's change we can believe in for the little guy. this enriches goldman sachs. >> sure. bill: why doesn't goldman sachs pay any federal income tax. >> goldman sak's took tarp money. they took taxpayer money. they paid it back and just reported a blow out quarter in earnings this morning. bill: why then the don't they pay taxes like you and i. >> because they are goldman sachs. bill: there has got to be a reason. >> it may be a pass through capital

part of the immigration bill is for them to bring family members oversee you can't extrapolate the one that the answer that i do want to talk about that subject. some of what we are going to do in this legislation is subsidize low income people so they can buy insurance otherwise it would not be affordable if you are below poverty were eligible for medicaid. but we're not going to make subsidies for undocumented aliens. there is not support in congress to do that although people feel they are here illegally and therefore they should not be subsidized. but there are people here illegally that do have private insurance that they pay for and they will continue to private insurance we do not subject to see if your legal when you buy a product. we will not subsidize anybody or let them go on medicaid. we do allow people even if they are here illegally or undocumented aliens if there is at the auto accident or emergency to go to hospital we allow any h b

you know, part of the immigration bill is for them to be able to bring family members -- you can extrapolate that -- guest: sorry, i didn't answer that question. i do want to talk about what my thinking is on that subject. some of what we are going to do in this legislation is to subsidize low-income people so they can buy insurance, otherwise it would not be affordable. if you are below poverty, you are eligible for medicaid. but we are not going to make subsidies for undocumented aliens. there is no support in congress to do that. a lot of people feel that they are here illegally, and therefore they should not be subsidized. but there are people who are here illegally moved to have insurance that they pay for, and they will continue to buy private insurance. they don't check to see if you are legal or not if you are buying a product. so we will not subsidize anybody, not let them go on medicaid. we do allow people, even if they are here illegally or undocumented aliens, it there is an auto accident or an emergency, to go to the hospital. we will allow any human being to go to the hospital.

you know, part of the immigration bill is for them to immigration bill is for them to be able to bringt: i am sorry i did not answer that question. i would like to talk about what our thinking is on that subject. some of what we want to do is to subsidize lower income people said that they could buy insurance. otherwise, it

. >> the debate over the immigration reform bill became a case study for rory o'connor.s arguments went back and forth, some of the language turned venomous. hosts amped up their audiences' outrage with attacks on the bill's supporters and verbal assaults on immigrants: >> i already have received at least one brilliant email today about the immigration problem. this person sent me an email, said when we defeat this illegal alien amnesty bill and when we yank out the welcome mat and they all start going back to mexico, as a going-away gift let's all give them a box of nuclear waste. tell 'em it can... it'll heat tortillas. >> but do you understand what the "new york times" wants? and the far left want? they want to break down the white, christian male power structure-- which you are a part and so am i-- and they want to bring in millions of foreign nationals to basically break down the structure that we have. >> right-wing talk radio hosts usually reserve their ad hominem attacks for liberal figures. jim quinn has his own name for the national organization for women. >> t

bill, that unemployment would top out at 8.4%. well, it just hit 9.5%. reports released by the heritage foundation and the center for immigration studies have estimated that 15% of the construction jobs created by the senate stimulus bill would go to illegal immigrants. about 300,000 jobs. the question is: is there anything we can do about it? and the answer is yes. we have an e-verify system where employers voluntarily all over the country are using a computer verification system to determine whether or not the job applicant that appears before them is legally here and entitled to work. the federal government uses that same system for every employee it hires, but we did not require that for government employers who get contracts under the stimulus package, contractors who get money under the stimulus package are not required to use e-verify. the system is pretty successful. it's not foolproof, but secretary napolitano of homeland security recently said this: "the administration strongly supports e-verify as a cornerstone of work site enforcement and will work to continually improve the program to ensure it is the best tool available to prevent and detear

immigrants. you are inferring something but it's not something i have seen. >> there's nothing that limits. when the bill was introduced an attendment to barile legal immigrants it was rejecteded by the democrats. his concept is -- >> that is an inference you made it is not stated in any proposal by any democrat. i want to clarify. >> actually, it is. the congressional budget office said there would still be 17 million illegal immigrants not covered if the bill passes. that has a total of 13, 14 -- >> we digress. >> the point is, you sweeten the pot on this side of the fence so there's an incentive to jump in. the third part is to reap the senses by sampling techniques something you count the illegals from them you count a number -- >> by law they count as residents not citizens. >> what they are going to do is use sampling which is to count people which really aren't there. the fourth part of it is an amnesty legislation to smooth their relationship. sotomayor -- healthcare they jump a fence to come into the country. >> we got it. you are making an emotional plea to the immigrant crowd there, dick. (tal

you know, part of the immigration bill is for them to be able to bring family members -- you can extrapolatehat -- guest: sorry, i didn't answer that question. i do want to talk about what my thinking is on that subject. some of what we are going to do in this legislation is to subsidize low-income people so they can buy insurance, otherwise it would not be affordable. if you are below poverty, you are eligible for medicaid. but we are not going to make subsidies for undocumented aliens. there is no support in congress to do that. a lot of people feel that they are here illegally, and therefore they should not be subsidized. but there are people who are here illegally moved to have insurance that they pay for, and they will continue to buy private insurance. they don't check to see if you are legal or not if you are buying a product. so we will not subsidize anybody, not let them go on medicaid. we do allow people, even if they are here illegally or undocumented aliens, it there is an auto accident or an emergency, to go to the hospital. we will allow any human being to go to the hospital. t

we would have most likely have an immigration bill passing through our congress and senate and without conservative talk radio there will be no opposition to this and clearly that is when the obama administration wants. >> host: the ideological ingle is a part of the equation and the other part is in the commercial part because of what the liberals don't want to deal with us conservative talk radio when it came on the scene and even to this day is a huge commercial success in terms and of ratings and revenue and it it makes money. in the private sector economy and that is still what we have which is arguable but one of the things they want to talk down is this private sector success. >> guest: that is what's so scary about this effort. there is a statement made by the acting fcc -- cogs has stated that if a market cannot produce what that market wants in terms of the diversity of that market the environment has a legitimate role to play in regulation of speech. this from the fcc. to me this is one of the most arrogant statements about the free marketplace and the free public determinin

they stopped a bad immigration bill a couple of years ago that was being debated in the senate. they stopped it cold. we can stop these things too. what i'm urging people to do is you don't have to write to most of us, all of us are going to be on the floor tonight, and say, don't vote for this health care plan. we know that. we're not going to do it. cap and tax passed the house, gone to the senate. but put the pressure on your senators and write to somebody who lives in a district that's -- who is represented by someone who voted for cap and tax and tell them you're going to remember that, they're going to remember that. encourage them to do that. we have other eloquent members on the floor tonight who want to speak on this issue, i'm going to yield back to my good friend, mr. wamp, from tennessee. . mr. wamp: she raised two issues i want to address before yielding to the gentleman from georgia. one, she said sometimes republicans be are called the part of no. i would say to the gentlelady, if that means saying no to tax increases and large rate increases in your electricity b

that allow illegal immigrants to receive taxpayer-funded -- funded benefits. the bill contains no verification mechanism to ensure that illegal immigrants do not apply for benefits. in fact, democrats rejected an amendment to close this loophole. and the bill leaves open the possibility that if one citizen family member is eligible for benefits, then the whole family, including illegal immigrant family members, is also eligible for the benefits. the proposed health care scheme could force the american people to pay for the health care of illegal immigrants. this is simply another reason to oppose it. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back. for what purpose does the gentlelady from texas rise? ms. jackson lee: to address the house. the speaker pro tempore: without objection, the gentlelady is recognized for one minute. ms. jackson lee: thank you. mr. speaker, i think the real truth is that americans want real health care reform. they understand that families are paying $1,800 a year for the uninsured. $1,200 if you are a single individual. costs that will co

>> he's been looking at john mccain, so pro immigration, the bill supportive of. he's done so poorly among hispanics. on the budding news, optimism for republicans, in 1993, christy whitman got elected governor of new jersey, george allen, virginia, rudy giuliani new york, and los angeles mayor, then an incredible improvement for republicans getting first rate candidates because of the momentum. if you look at the news cited, republicans will win virginia, then new jersey, do you see a similar situation in 2009. >> that's the point. we're already starting to see a little of that now. republicans are getting better recruits in the house that people don't pay attention to. they are getting them because people feel it's a much better environment today than a month ago. i do think if republicans can win in virginia, a big if, and new jersey, less of a big if at that point, that gives them more momentum for recruitment and for money. still at the end of the day i come back to the structural problems for republicans, they have to figure out a way to broaden the party. t

immigration laws should not be rewarded. the conservative heritage foundation says the house health care bill will do just that. >> what we're doing is creating a new program for low income people to give them free medical care and giving illegal immigrants free and total access to that system. it's a huge transformation. it's radically different from anything the country has done in the past. >> democrats strongly disagree. house spartanberg nancy pelosi says the bill does this benefit illegal benefits. >> if you're in this country illegally, you should be able to get health care purchase illegal immigrants are not covered by this plan. >> reporter: states, nothing in this subtitle shall allow federal payments on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the united states. seems pretty straightforward. but several gop lawmakers still insist the bill will allow illegal imdprants to receive taxpayer-funded benefits. they point to what they call a gaping loophole. no verification or enforcement system. >> you can say all day long if you want to it doesn't have a way to apply for illegal immigrants. if you don't hav

the bill includes significant resources for border security and enforcement of our immigration laws,or continued improvements in security of our nation's airports, for the coast guard's operations and deep-water program, recapitalization efforts and for helping our citizens prepare and recover from natural disasters, and for equipment and training our nation's first responders. senator durbin has indicated there is much in this bill to recommend. it funds a number of the department's highest priorities at or above the requested levels, and i'm pleased that the secretary of the department of homeland security understands that we have tried to the very best of our ability to fund her priorities. i'll not list all of the bill's funded recommendations, but i do note some of them. funding is provided for border security, including the funds to support 20,063 border patrol agents, 33,400 detention bets, and $800 million for continued work on the border fence and improved radio communications. starting in fiscal year 2005 significant increases have been provided for border security and immi

whether it be a second stimulus, and it will not happen now, but whether it will be the health bill, immigrationng about, it is really important to involve everybody in the country and you cannot get unanimous but you can get a consensus on these things and i'm somewhat optimistic, we are seeing that, with the health and there seems to be some negotiating in terms of the public option and it is most republicans and fiscal conservatives who do not like it and you are seeing attempts on immigration to crack down on the mexican border and do something about the defense, and to go after employers, who hire illegal alien and i think there are hopeful signs, of bipartisanship but without that, i think we will not get anything, that -- >> i have to go, in your column you write, despite taxpayer dollars and unite america, president obama has done neither, what do you mean, briefly into in terms of washington, certainly, he has not anything -- in terms of the deficit, he's running -- when running he talked about the need to have cap-and-trade and both of which will add to the deficit in some way or anoth

bill doesn't even start until 2013. what we pass, no matter what it is, doesn't get implemented until 2013. there's no coverage for illegal immigrants in this bill. that's why it doesn't cover everyone, it covers only 97% of folks here. there may be argument about that. but the fact is, there is institutional support to undermine and sabotage health care reform. someone is going to win and someone is going to lose. who has been winning have been the big insurance companies, the people who like the system just the way it is, and the people who have been losing are the men and women and children that the gentlelady from maryland was speaking about a few minutes ago. so, yeah, this is a big fight. this is a pretty big deal we're having. but the scare tactics, and it's funny, because our friends on the other side of the aisle, they're like a stable full of one-trick ponies, if there's not fear coming out to scare you to make you so afraid of what's happening, but the problem they have now is everyone is already afraid. everyone is already scared, everyone is anxious about their kid in the middle of the night, if something happen, they'v

bill. i urge my colleagues to vote against this amendment, and let's get to work on craflting an employment verification system that actually works and actually curtails the aisle legal immigration job magnet. i yield the floor and note the absence of a quorum.

that sent a very big message about women and immigrant communities as ll as the first two bills he signednto law within the first two weeks he was in office, one of them provided access to health care insurance, to immigrant, legal immigrant kids. so they do feel that this is someone who is committed and who is effectively trying to move an agenda forward. >> even though there hasn't been a lot moved forward in the past seven months, six months. >> i think that they realize they need to be patient as the entire american country needs to be but i would like to second what karen and mario were saying. i think that our immigrant students at carlos rosario really look to the obamas, both of them, including michelle, as models and exemplars of what can be accomplished in america. what our students at carlos rosario are experiencing are they are striving towards the american dream. when they see obama in the presidency, they realize it is possible in this country. really, my dream, whatever it is, it is possible. >> allison kakoros, principal of the carlos rosario public charter school, mario k

immigration. today the president has the road to campaign for health care reform and is seen as the bill coming together on capitol hill is a lot different than what he and in line. president obama will promote his ideas in north carolina and virginia today and we are expected to get a slightly different message -- on capitol lawmakers are debating changes to the measure that would not mandate businesses to offer their workers health care insurance and also alters the rules on the government insurance option and the deal is aimed at getting more republicans on board. >> the use words like reform and choice, but all the plan does is tax and spend to fund new government mandates. >> the president's pitch for health care reform begins in raleigh, north carolina. he then heads to bristol, va., to speak with supermarket employees. the two of the biggest names on the weather during forces, what this means for consumers, and new research has official issuing a warning about tanning beds. plus the alternatives. >> the doppler, a string of worcester heading to our direction. slight risk for severe storms. the di

earlier you said you didn't read the bill but yet you knew the illegal immigration part was in there. then we had a caller saying on page 16 how you cannot sell private insurance. that is very true. that is in the bill. so if i were to get fired i'm forced that the government healthcare. that is in the bill. guest: i read a lot of the bill. i haven't read all 1,000 pages but the democrats have said there is going to be a mix of the public and private plan. some say when you have the government involved there is no way the private insurance industry can compete with the massive government so that eventually we are going to be leaning more toward a government-run plan. and certainly that is what some democrats have been telling people who like the single payer plan. that this is a slow step toward that. that is not what democratic leaders are saying but that is some of the rhetoric. host: earlier there were several taste of hearings featuring judge sonia sotomayor and it encouraged exchanges. here is some of the exchange with lindsay fwragraham. >> the last question on the wise latina w

so don't try to cover up for the failure of last night, this bill will allow illegal immigrants accessto federal funded in taxpayer dollars and if that is what you want that is fine, but don't hide it. just be up front. and i yield back to my colleagues to read the yield to the gentle lady from tennessee. >> i think the gentleman from georgia. and i think him for his good work on this issue and i do oppose this amendment. i have talked a lot about the experience in tennessee, what we saw with this is with the state verification mechanism drivers license which have been in a properly obtained, they could use a utility bill, they could use a rental receipts, they could use all sorts of mechanisms to enroll in the public option plan, taxpayer funded and we held that the bill hearing in tennessee on enrollment with illegal immigrants and 10 percent of the growth every year was attributed not by us but by 10 carries off to illegal immigration's coming on to that program. i yield back. >> the chair recognizes himself and i find in this an argument on the other side that is as thin as a gossa

bill: unresolved problem segment tonight, the battle continues over illegal immigration. it's estimated that the state of california spends 5.3 billion with a b on providing illegal immigrants with medical care, education and payments. there are estimated 2.7 illegals in california. about 7% of the population out there. as you may know, the state of california is bankrupt. so now there is a movement to put a proposition on the ballot and that would drastically cut benefits for illegals and their children who may be u.s. citizens. joining us now from los angeles tony gulls, a taxpayer rights activist. all right. so if you get the votes that you need the initiative would be on next june in california, and it would say what? >> it will say that we will offer tax relief to the beleaguered california taxpayer at the tune between 2 billion and $13 billion. and we are going to accomplish that through three parts that blend a combination of long-term and short-term budget reduction. and the three parts are as follows: first, we're going to discourage or deter birth -- to californ

he is not even read the bill in the house coming through and he is not adequately explained how it will be paid for. doesn't include treating illegal immigrants as well? and how will this be paid. so i think strategically the president made a mistake by allowing the congress to write the bill, versus him submitting the bill and telling congress how to handle it. >> here's the thing. whatever bill exists right now is not going to be the bill we will see in august or whenever they try to get this passed. as long as he coops the main argument alive, makes the case to the people why we need this reform he's going to be okay. here's what he needs to do, as long as the republicans are fractionalized. half are take trying to take obama down and the other half are trying to come up with their own health care plan. as long as they are fighting and he lays a steady course he will be okay. >> the american people don't understand the case because he himself doesn't understand the case. >> he admitted that he set this time line to get them to do something. >> he did, but what we are going to see, i think is obama laying out a frame work where he will inte

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if yao don't like illegal immigration, you're not going to like this bill either are you? mr. fleming: exactly. mr. iakin: i'm trying to think of who will vote no. mr. broun. mr. brun: they're not immigrant, they're criminals. they not only come here illegally which means they're criminally, but virtual all of them have forged documents, they're guilty of many law infractions, but this health care plan, obamacare is going to give every single one of those aliens in this country free health insurance at the cost of taxpayers. what that means is, as we ration care to everybody in this country, that means american citizens, american taxpayers, are going to have lescare provided to them because we're funding the illegal aliens. when we hear the number that 47 million people don't have health insurance, they say don't have health care, everybody has health care, they have access to health care in this country today. everybody has access. that 47 million people don't have health insurance. of that, there's at least 10, if dr. fleming is right, could be 15 million or 20 million illega

immigration question. as far as i know it is not actually in the bill. does not say we will get illegal immigrants healthcare benefits. the problem of your races is like any other government benefit the extent to which the government is watchful about who they give benefits to -- there are plenty of it agencies were illegal aliens are able to get benefits. healthcare could certainly be victim to those same problems. host: thank you very much for being with us. i will encourage people to find you on the internet. your byline is on this story -- health care mandate will kill jobs, most small businesses are giving go guest: there is a lot of concern among the small business committee to the extent that complying with a mandate will enable them to continue to create jobs, whether it will increase their costs. there are some small business organizations that think it will save money. i explore that debate. you can also check it out on our website. host: to go. we'll show you more from the press conference last night and be back to talk to congressman eric can

congress and on right wing talk radio, all you got is this is going to cover illegal immigrants when it's not even in the bill. come on. the american people deserve better than that. this is not what they signed up for. running ads? we've got politicians running ads about how this is going to cover illegal immigrants. what are you talking about? stop it. the american people don't want to hear that. it's continuing. it's very consistent with what president bush started of fear mongering to the american people. if we can't beat them, we scare people. if we can't beat on the merits, we try to scare people. it's not right. and so over the course of the next few days, weeks, and months we are going to go out and we are going to talk to the american -- we want to hear what they think this is, what they want. their concerns. but i can guarantee you one thing right now, i can guarantee you one thing right now, mr. speaker. that there is not any level of fear that can come out of right wing talk radio, that can come out of fox news, that can come out of the republican conference, that can come out of the republican se

immigrants, agree that assimilation is important. they are here for a reason. they think this is a great country. they understand that "in god we trust" is written on the dollar bills in english, and that is the language their children need to understand. therefore, this is an issue -- and i should say one of the items on my top 10 list is you cannot ask for special preferences for your group on the basis of your skin color or what country your ancestors came from. i think that is an issue that works very well for conservatives, not to. we're not -- but i think the worst ever well for conservatives, too. this summer, we have a lot of opportunities to drive home that point with the new supreme court nomination with supreme court cases coming down. >> thank you. moving on to the next topic, one ectopic question i will address you, governor, happily married, spanish-speaking immigrants, if she were here, she would ask the question, does not the relevance of the conservative movement depend on having effective spokespeople from the immigrant community, including the spanish speaking immigrant community? if so, how we get them not to just understand that we share their

a bill that illegal immigration with emigration works, usa. "washington journal" is live 7:00 a.m.stern. >> america and the courts, saturday on c-span. >> now the white house briefing. first, you will hear from president obama on the recent arrest of harvard professor gate. robert gibbs follows the president and also talks about this and other issues, including health care legislation. this is a little over 40 minutes. >> i need to help gibbs out a little bit here. if you have to do a job, do it yourself. i wanted to address you guys directly, because over the last day and a half, obviously, there has been all sorts of controversy around professor gates and the police department. i actually does have a conversation with sergeant jim crowley, the officer involved. i have to tell you that as a said yesterday, my impression of him was that he was an outstanding police officer and a good man t

bill. and from fort worth, texas immigration attorney francisco hernandez.ontaining the law to make a class of persons not available to receive government benefits? >> george, california is going through an economic debacle. the california taxpayers' protection act would l. bring relief to beleaguered taxpayers and the state that is paying its bills with iou's. it's going it appreciate this through three measures and save the states between 6 and $13 billion. it will redefine the way birth certificates are issued. it will end child only welfare that is directly paid into the parents' bank account. and it will -- that's for all children, regardless of their status and then it will end payments, public benefits to illegal aliens for everything except emergency medical and education from -- judge: francisco, what's wrong with this proposal? >> that's a silly, silly concept. you can't sit there and deny united states citizens certain benefits because of the sins of the father. you can't just go around and putting stars of david on people like somebody did a long

the afternoon host bill meanders gets into the immigration issue in a major way and when he uses the word illegal media matters' gets all over it. the illegal immigration, they even went as far as sending an e-mail blast which is one of their tactics as you know, to their constituents to protest the radio stations, so we have a few protesters on the sidewalk and we have other people calling the radio station and calling advertisers to try to get those advertisers off the radio station. now here's the irony of the whole thing. most of those people haven't even heard the program, don't know what it is and they are like sheep. and i think media matters is an organization they have their right to free speech, but so do we. >> host: this is what is disturbing when you described in the united states and 2009 in the 21st century we have this kind of intimidation tactics and strong arm tactics legitimate points of view. in nobody is going on the air yelling fire in a crowded room. we are simply expressing a legitimate political point of view and what we have now is this fought police going o

elimination of world hunger, middle east peace, immigration reform, but there are significant differences on issues such as abortion and stem cell research. russ? >> billy much. >>> mr. obama's meeting with pope benedict certainly will be cordial, as bill pointed out, but as he also point out, they do have policy disagreements. let's go out to the vatican for papal expert and cbs consultant father thomas williams. how are you? >> hi. >> is there any hope that these two men with find common ground on abortion and stem cell research? >> i don't think they can on those particular issues. i think they definitely intend to work together. that's the most important thing about this meeting. they only have 15 minutes together. they're going to meet face to face and alone. they'll touch on these issues, but they'll also touch on many points in common as well. >>> in western china, several mosqued opened this morning for prayer following a week of riots. clashes between the minority mus lick uighurs and han chinese earlier this week left at least 106 people dead. >>> it is now 8:04. dave price is out on the plaza with another check of the weather. >> russ,tick w

immigration reform. they are saying, "no, no, no. it is not there. illegals will not be covered." you have read the fine print. you say they are covered. >> well, what the billillegal aliens are not going to be eligible for these benefits, but at the same time, there is absolutely no mechanism to prevent them from taking advantage of it. and we have learned that if there is nothing to prevent people from taking advantage of benefits, they will. this was from the house ways and means committee when the house was marking up the bill has about one week ago, and it was votedç down. , all of the democrats voted against it. -- all of the democrats voted against it. they have to be run through existing governmentç data base. that was the language in one bill. it was voted down. without any mechanism to prevent people from taking advantage, they probably will. neil: ok, so the way to get health insurance eventually under this system, and i do not know what the final program will be, you get it through your own employer and if that employer opts to provide coverage for you. so there is that process by and large for most of these workers to first of all be legal emp

bill that i think has a lot to do with it. you mention with the contract employees. it had gotten very expensive because they moved this agency under the per view urview, it w immigration for a while, now they're talking about moving it to yet another body. it is apparently supposed to save some money. the overall question obviously is how much safer will everybody be. there were other examples of more security lapses? >> absolutely. one example was of a guard who was supposed to be manning his post and said instead he was looking at an adult website. another example of a baby in a carrier that was actually put through an e rx-ray machine. no one noticed. stunning lapses in security in terms of their report and their investigation. in terms of solutions, there is some thought out there perhaps what they need to do is hire more federal officers and stop contracting outside guards instead. >> yeah, if that's all possible. jason, we have a lot more coming up on this story today in our show. sure appreciate that. we'll talk with the former director of homeland security. we're also going to talk with a worker under the purview of the federal protective service. thanks so mu

bills, they deport him. the man you see is an undocumented immigrant who is now unable to care for himself. we get the story from brian garner from cnn's affiliate in west palm beach, florida. >> reporter: for over a month jurors listened to attorneys argue about the medical care of this guatemalan man. when he was struck by a drunk driver he ended in the e.r. of martin memorial hospital in stewart. the jury has to decide if the court acted appropriately when they hired a private jet to fly him back to his home country after he racked up $2 million in unpaid medical bills. >> it was 3-3. in other words, a real deadlock. >> reporter: it took a day and a half of deliberating before they did ded issed unanimously in favor of the hospital. >> cost is in the background of everything, but i don't think that was really the major motivater. >> the jury found that we acted in the best interest of mr. jimenez. >> reporter: attorneys for both sides agree, while this verdict does vindicate what it did in the case of mr. jimenez, it does not give hospitals a road map for how they should act in future ca

now can you discuss your approach to immigration cases, explain to this panel and the american people the flex bill that judges have in this context and your use of this flexibility in a very moderate manner? >> reasonable judges look at the same set of facts and may disagree on what those facts should result in. it harkins back to the question of wise men and wise women being judges. reasonable people disagree. that was my understanding of judge newman's comments in the quotation you made. in immigration cases, we have a different level of review because it's not the judge making the decision whether to grant or not grant asylum, it's an administrative body. and i know that i will -- i'm being a little inexact but i think using old terminology is better than using new terminology. and by that, i mean the agency that most people know as the bureau of immigration has a new name now, but that it's more descriptive than its new name. >> ice. some people think the new name is descriptive. >> in immigration cases, an asylum seeker can present before an immigration judge and they can then appeal to the b

immigration customs enforcement division. that makes no sense. the first thing we will do is move it to the national protection division which deals with protecting critical infrastructure. bill: at least for the sake of our conversation, you are not calling for someone's head? >> i am calling for a radical shake-up of the agency. i believe it up to the secretary of homeland security. this agency's sickness in danger is a lot of americans, and they need to get well quickly. bill: thank you for your time. we hope for the sake of you, other lawmakers, and the hundreds of thousands of people who work in federal buildings, are safe as a result of this investigation. thank you. megyn: a memorial service is over but the controversy is just beginning. in congress woman wants to honor the king of pop with a house resolution. now there is talk in washington about a commemoratives stamp. some in congress are saying not so fast. a new participant in the fight and joins next. bill: who is telling the truth about spies in congress? is it nancy pelosi or the on panetta? there is a new letter from leon panetta that poured gasoline on this battle royale. cócó bill: is suspected -- is suspect