i think that there are a clear group of people at higher risk, those older in age, immuno compromised. this is what i have seen the last couple weeks on service, only had a handful of patients that had breakthrough infections, all are immuno compromised or older in age. i think the fda decision hit an overlap between the group at highest risk of breakthrough infections that lead to severe disease, also making sure we're not taking our eye off the goal of prioritizing people getting first and second doses to make sure we can use the vaccines the best way we can to turn the tide on the pandemic. >> the fda is encouraging everyone get that first dose as is. the west virginia governor, listen to him. >> the only thing i have in my arsenal that will make this get better is for you to get vaccinated. that's all i've got. we're going to run to the fire and get vaccinated right now or we're going to pile the body bags up until we reach a point in time to where we have enough people that have natural immunities and enough people that are vaccinated. >> graphic talk. body bags. is that the mess

think of an immuno compromised as not fully vaccinated without that third dose and people above 75, 85 frame also fitting in that category. and that's again one of the many reasons this is confusing. why should people -- a shot is a shot. why are we making the distinctions? there is very sufficient evidence again that you're safe to get the booster six moths from the second dose but we can't give it to you without the clearance. here's the danger. patients say why can't i get it? avoid getting it too early because we want the protection to last evenly as long as possible. six months from now needing something else because the immunity is decreasing and then facing a surge and having no data and trying to find a fourth dose? that's irresponsible of me to recommend and of them to get. >> got it. thank you as always for clearing things up for us >>> back to the breaking news story out of texas. navy jet trainer aircraft that crashed? players say two people did eject from the aircraft and one seriously injured and at least three homes are heavily damaged. you can see the mangled plane appe

the difference is timing the first dose for those immuno compromised need total doses to be consideredt have one of those chronic conditions and should wait at least it seems like six months from the second dose but, again, that's very murky because now we got this september 20th date that feels a bit arbitrary and we don't quite know what will come on september 20th the fda has to take action and the cdc has to take action for recommendation but it feels the entire country is walking around trying to figure out when to get their boosters >> i had one relative who got the third booster shot because of an immuno compromised situation and then my next question was should the people living with her also get a booster shot to make sure they are not bringing something in? what's the answer to that >> studies really show that particular individual who took the third dose to get that full vaccination series we do not need to vaccinate the other household members if they don't have chronic conditions because their first j&j or first two doses of pfizer or moderna were sufficient to give them a

i think the decision on whether you vaccinate the overage wells or offer boosters to the immuno compromisee most vulnerable in society is an extremely important one. i don't know whether there is a degree of piety our time. know whether there is a degree of piety our time-— piety our time. let's see what happens- _ piety our time. let's see what happens. schools _ piety our time. let's see what happens. schools going - piety our time. let's see what happens. schools going back| piety our time. let's see what i happens. schools going back as piety our time. let's see what - happens. schools going back as well with no masks, various few restrictions which is a worry. i think potentially to lots of parents out there. but we will see what emerges in the coming days on advice on that. i want to bring in now the ft front page moving on from covid. they've got a headline on trident saying uk draws a plan to shift trident subs abroad in scotland secedes. rachel, what do you make of this? we've had a statement, i should just say the mod saying strongly committed to committed tears nuclear deterrent

first, for the severely immuno compromised. we created a path several weeks ago. and those people, bone marrow transplant patients, organ donors, recipients, all of those people have a pathway to be boosted, but your point is well-taken and what i want to say is, this is a walk, don't run situation to get your boost. the vaccine effectiveness is still working really quite well, and we are now doing a scientific till against to review the data to bring it to you before we get into trouble and really after due process and that's happening in real-time. moderna is coming, jason is coming, it will come to the fda and they'll treat it with urgently and then it will come to the c.d.c. we'll treat it with urgency and that will come in the next couple of weeks. so what i want to reiterate. we want to do the scientific due diligence, because if we rush it, it looks like we haven't done the scientific due diligence and this is, we're doing it to get ahead of the virus, and that's exactly what we're doing. >> we have not forgotten about j&j and moderna. we'll be with you. >>

you believe the nurse who was there treating that immuno compromised cancer patient should the requiredbe vaccinated, not a psa, a requirement? mr. youngkin: yeah. i think that nurse should fully understand getting a vaccination is the best way to protect her health and those around her. what has happened in our hospital system, i have spoken with heads of hospitals all over virginia, and they have fought the spread of covid with policies, procedures, with testing, not with mandates. and here we go, my opponent once a mandate. i respect your ability to make decisions because that's what leaders do. if you disagree with terry mcauliffe, like he set on tv, he is going to make your life difficult. he wants to make virginians' life difficult right now would we need to come together and work together through this pandemic in the last thing we need is a governor who is going to go to work to make everyone's life difficult. susan: you have 15 seconds to pose a question to mr. mcauliffe. mr. youngkin: you appointed adrian bennett chair of your parole board. an inspector general report said they

and of course, those with those immuno compromised disease states or diabetes or heart disease. uh and such diseases, alright. great advice. thank you so much for the insight, dr vanilla sing. certainly thanks for weighing in on this continuing conversation. great to be here. well san francisco mayor london breed was defiant today when asked about video of her without a mask at a nightclub earlier this week. and when you go to restaurants, i was at a restaurant, same thing. i'm leaving my math now, while i'm enjoying my food, i'm not putting it on and taking it off. putting it on. people are not doing that. so that's just not realistic. the mayor was at the black cat nightclub in the tenderloin wednesday night and was seen standing and dancing without a mask and without any food or drinks in her hand. the video was captured and shared on twitter by the chronicles, senior arts and entertainment editor. marie car mendoza. according to the city's health order, mass are allowed to be removed only when people are seated at a table or positioned at a stationary corner or place while e

a real reason to do it, the doctor could prescribe it if they are at high risk, like if they are immuno compromised. and if someone isn't health care worker or has been around a lot of people, they did not approve the booster. kristen: right, that is the notable part to me because they voted against the booster for people in high-risk occupations, such as yourself, or caregivers to immunocompromised people or jailed individuals, seniors, and i thought the fda was more behind that. what happened? why was this more conservative? dr. gandi: it may have been the risk that you are seeing even among first responders and health care workers depends on how much circulating virus there is. and we have reached the peak of delta and are coming down. so, by the time this is old outcome it may not be that a health worker is not much risk, and they want to see if there is another surge, which hopefully there won't be, because delta caused a lot of immunity. i think it was contagious, the epidemiology and the risk. because health cases are coming down, i am not at risk to see covid. it could be the ep

be slightly different to the separate programme which is offering a third jab for people who are immunoocompromised. borisjohnson is going to put this programme at the heart of his plan of how things are going to work as we expect the infection rates to spike later on in the autumn. he's pretty clear and he'll repeal some loss to make that clear that he won't do another lockdown. the vaccines are supposed to be the line of defence. does lockdown. the vaccines are supposed to be the line of defence.— to be the line of defence. does this mean, do to be the line of defence. does this mean. do you _ to be the line of defence. does this mean, do you remember everyone | to be the line of defence. does this - mean, do you remember everyone who got it first? margaret keenan, then ian mckellen. willoughby rolled out on the cameras? == ian mckellen. willoughby rolled out on the cameras?— on the cameras? -- will it be. it doesnt on the cameras? -- will it be. it doesn't seem — on the cameras? -- will it be. it doesn't seem to _ on the cameras? -- will it be. it doesn't seem to very _ on the camera

we've also implemented the cdc recommendation that immuno compromised people implement a third vaccine. and people take advantage of that at our many hospital clinics. our primary care clinics and drop-in centers for vaccination. our strategy continues to be to protect the most vulnerable due to covid-19 and, again, part of that is working with our business community to ensure that everybody has the opportunity who is eligible to get vaccinated, to protect our children under 12 who are not yet eligible to be vaccinated so that we can get through this surge together and be as ready prepared for what may be the next. thank you. >> thank you, dr. colfax. i don't know about you, but i want to go to the movies and eat popcorn and have a drink when i'm in the movie theater. don't you think it's about time? let's get vaccinated so we can do that too. with that, i want to introduce kate sofis to talk a little bit about what we are doing to help support businesses during this time. >> thank you, mayor. thank you for your continued leadership and thanks to dr. colfax and our department of public

maybe we will need it for some specific persons, immuno compromised persons for example, or the front-liners but we will definitely not needed for global population. in comparison, the who has for many weeks said we don't need this booster. to make it clear why, because to succeed in locally managing the pandemic, and being able to eradicate the virus, we cannot come out of it just by doing that in a few places and not around the world. for efficacy and the toxicity, i think it is clear the efficacy of this vaccine and the third chart would be helpful. but i think when you are managing the pandemic, i would just give an example. if you are in the west and it is decided you will be given a third dose in new york, and not san francisco, that would be a problem. we have to manage the crisis in this way that we are one world and we have to give this efficient dose is to everybody. >> you raise an interesting point, i would like to bring that to you, patrick tan. some who have not been offered boosters are worried about immunity, particularly people who might have been given a vaccine that was

. >> and the immuno compromised. she points to recent data as to why. >> countries that have low vaccine uptake, israel and the u.s. are those two countries, there is more circulating virus. we have more transmission going on. in that case, someone over 60, for example, is more susceptible to a breakthrough that could be more severe. >> for those younger than 60, the doctor doesn't think boosters are needed yet. >> i'm not worried we need three doses just because. i think we need them for some populations. >> reporter: if the fda does authorize use of a booster, the cdc would have to determine who qualifies for one. nbc bay area news. >>> vax before you can go to class. two of the bay area's largest school districts are considering a student vaccine mandate. west contra costa unified says it is still examining the issue but has not yet set a date to vote on it. oakland unified says they could bring it up for a vote as soon as next week. >> we believe what will make stoogts safe seventh if all students 12 and up are v

none of these areas are immuno. we have to stay on alert and we have to take the precautions. dan: several airplanes and helicopters have been assigned to the fire, making nonstop passes, dropping water and a bright red fire retardant. we will bring you an update on containment efforts as soon as we get more information for you but we are on it. abc 7 news meteorologist drew tuma is here with a look at conditions near the fire in marin county. drew: we have to remember the next two months is when the fire danger is highest. at and october is when the vet at -- vegetation is dries and wins can be gusty. right now, 101 on the right-hand side of your screen. you can also see lucas valley road and we are seeing temperatures right now in the upper 60's so it is not too hot right now. the winds are out of the south. they're gusting close to 20 miles an hour but as the sun goes down, the winds will back off as well. it is a good reminder, most of us are an exceptional drought right now. our vegetation is extremely dry. it takes one spark to create these fires out of control. firefigh

and a decision has been made about those with immuno—suppressed situations, that they will get a thirdation starting with older age groups? that is a decision which has not been announced. it could be fairly imminent, and it touches on the whole issue of inequality, should wealthy nations should be getting these doses when in africa, for example, less than 2% of populations have had any form of full vaccination, and i think the world health organization is a bit split on this. some see the benefits coming into the winter with the most vulnerable people getting a third vaccine, but what about the issue of the supplies? and others are saying, actually, this should be put on hold until there are further vaccination efforts worldwide. it's also interesting to see a number of countries, their strategies that seemed effective seem not so effective now measured against the impact of the delta variant. i am thinking of test and trace in vietnam which was kind of a world leader which just hasn't been able to keep up with the pace of infection. you had a minister in the new zealand government sa

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that are not eligible for vaccination, protect the immuno compromised, organ transplant and cancer patientshaviors of others impact those vulnerable individuals and children. we spend a lot of time as a state entity focused around public health and education of our community, focused on strongly encouraging vaccination for those 12 and older, focusing on practicing social distancing, wearing masks in the appropriate situations, not just for the individual's safety but for the community safety. when we look at vaccination rates and look at the impact on children, children under 12 as you mentioned are not eligible for vaccinations, they don't have a choice. they are often infected by family members, colleagues, others around them. children above 12, that are eligible for vaccinations work see rates 25%, we know 75% of children over 12 that are eligible are not receiving it today. that will be critical, we cannot only keep our schools open, get our kids back on the athletic fields and try to return back to normal. trey: on behalf of us, thank the healthcare professionals you work with and tha

. >> a large number of our population is immuno suppressed. >> her team developed a treatment for peopleike metuscich. >> it feels great. for you, we have a medication that's safe and effective. >> within days of testing positive for the virus, sanford doctors freeted her with monoclonal anti-bodice. >> it's been well-studied and effective. reduces the chances that you will end up in the emergency room or the hospital. >> i'm all good. good to go. >> reporter: but the fda has authorized the treatment in high-risk patients. here in the u.s., the fda has approved one drug, remdesivir. a study found that remdesivir shortens hospital stays by five days and reduces deaths by 5% compared to a placebo. >> we were looking for things that make remdesivir work better. the staff at berkeley, tested drugs to see if it would help remdesivir kill the virus. after months, they got a hit. this first slide shows how human cells look in the lab. >> you can see in red, the virus proteins are. and the cells shrivel up and die. >> reporter: look at what happens when the scientists treat the cells with remdes

they narrowed it for people 65 and plus or immuno compromised and those at higher exposure risk liked who the cdc recommends to get it we may see a fairly narrow recommendation for the boosters right now. >> how are the numbers right now? i can count more people than i have fingers who i know have had breakthrough cases and were fully vaccinated it seems like a much bigger problem than people acknowledge or let on. >> there is a lot of frustration about the data and how many breakthrough cases we are seeing not so much on any breakthrough case they have said if you get a breakthrough case, you could still be contagious. >> right and you bring it home to kids who aren't vaccinated. if you get a breakthrough case, we don't know how many there are, you can bring it home and we are still going to set the guidelines who can get the third shot to try and prevent those breakthrough cases >> there was a big debate over what we are trying to accomplish with the boosters. if we are frying to prevent transmission, boosters might be warranted. but if we are only trying to keep hospitals from get

important thing to emphasize here is the best way you can protect people with underlying conditions, immunopression and people unable to get vaccinated is to get vaccines yourself. surround them with people who are vaccinated which puts them at much lower risk of disease. what we do know from the delta variant is for people who have had two doses of the vaccine, they still need to wear their mask in the rare case they might be a breakthrough infection. we have studies starting now so we can assess after your booster shot, if you get a breakthrough infection, whether you can still transmit our hope is no once we have the studies, i hope with disease transmission coming down we will one day be able to get writ of those masks. >> dr. walensky, thank you >>> r. kelly is going to prison. the question is for how long a jury today convicted the r&b star on all counts all nine of the racketeering and sex trafficking charges against him. they found him guilty of being the ringleader of a decades' long scheme to recruit women, underage girls and boys to sexually exploit them for his own benefit. pros

. >> i think it is not ill intentioned, but it is maybe not considerate of those who are immuno compromisedget the vaccine, or maybe are not eligible for whatever reason. so i agree, maybe it is a little bit overboard. >> the doctor says the virus is still out there and vaccine mandates at these types of locations, along with mask mandates, will separate our numbers from other areas that do not have those rules but do have similar vaccination rates. >> indoor settings in particular are 20 times riskier than outdoor settings. you never know who you are going to be next to in terms of mixing up households, and the higher the number of people in a setting, the higher the risk. >> j.r. stone, abc 7 news chri.: dion: a security breach at at at an airport. a man accusing -- claiming to have swallowed an explosive followed an employee through a security gate. police were notified in the man was arrested a short time later. investigators say he may have been experiencing a mental health crisis and ingested some kind of substance. the man is now being evaluated. a san francisco woman is mourning her

people over the age of 65 and those with underlying conditions and those people who especially have immuno have data yet for people who are younger who don't have these conditions. they're following the data. this is a work in progress. expect this to be incremental improvement for third shot. we're going to be in this for the long haul. >> you will encourage patients that are at risk, individuals or people 65 and older to follow the recommended fda approval, right, on the third dose? >> absolutely. >> but will this make it harder to convince the unvaccinated to get vaccinated? >> it might. and it is mostly because a lot of folks aren't used to the usual process by which we approve vaccines. look at influenza. we know now that people over 65 get a little higher dose. that didn't happen overnight. that was a decade or more of research that incrementally grew and was done under the cover from general public. people didn't watch it happening. this has a huge spotlight on it. everybody is watching how the sausage is made, if you will, in terms of how science moves forward. people that might no

vaccinated and start wearing masks again but the overall bigger message to put out there and for the immunofully vaxed be careful going out into the general public. please continue wearing the masks and social distance. i wish we had a second opinion from a doctor that told our mom not to go because that could have savered her life. so mask up still. do what the medical egs perts are asking. continue to social distance and get the vaccine for yourself. >> thank you very much for sharing your mother's story and your grief to try to help others. >> thank you. >> "the lead with jake tapper" starts after the break. mom! mom! every day can be extraordinary with rich, creamy, delicious fage total yogurt. visible is wireless that gets better with friends. pay as low as $25 a month. or bring a friend and you both get a month for $5. so the more people you roll with, the more you save. visible. unlimited data as low as $25 a month. or bring a friend and you both get a month for $5. without my medication, my small tremors would be extreme. i was diagnosed with parkinson's. i had to retire from law en

convincing data to support extra doses of vaccine, and that's partly because older people, people with immuno compromise, they don't count with a good immune response up front. then if you wait, you're less well protected. for the general population, that remains to be seen. if you get a booster and it givens you a transient three or four months of a boost in your antibody levels and you're back to where you were before, i'm not sure that justifies begins hundreds of others. >> i'm sure you're hearing it from doctors, i'm hearing it from friends. >> starting with moderna, there was data released in the past week that shows moe derma nay be holding up better over pfizer over time with respect to older people, compromised people, but older people in hospitalization. so it remains to be seen whether adults will need an additional shot. johnson & johnson, there are about 15 million people in this country who have godden johnson & johnson. j&j released data this week as well, looking at one dose versus two doses. >> one dose continues to protect at 85% f percentage effect everyoneness than hospita

we're working with our partners on bringing this there have been advancements in the ability to use immunoes as well as other targeted therapies we know and believe having progress across all of these other different platforms in addition to mrna is going to be essential to bringing the therapies patients need across the globe. >> it's been delightful having you on our show today. thank you for coming on and sharing the positive results out of the latest trials we appreciate it david frederickson, at astrazeneca. >>> coming up on the show, ever grande shares continue to sink as it enters a crucial week of deadlines for its at-risk interest payments. >>> plus, france continues retal retaliation, canceling a defense meeting with the uk. ♪ limu emu & doug ♪ got a couple of bogeys on your six, limu. they need customized car insurance from liberty mutual so they only pay for what they need. what do you say we see what this bird can do? woooooooooooooo... we are not getting you a helicopter. looks like we're walking, kid. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ signs.

there are individuals who clearly would benefit from a third doise, immuno compromised who can alreadyther dose, and people over age 65. what i expect the cdc to do is give an example of what high risk means. it means age, it means underlying conditions, and it should also mean occupational exposure. not just health care workers, but what about teachers where the kids around them don't need to be wearing masks. what about personal exposure? for example, if you're living at home with someone who is unvaccinated and are exposing you to all kinds of risk. i think we should allow the american people, in confrontation with their physicians, should be making the decision about whether they are high risk and the benefit from a boost at this time. >> what can they do if the fda hasn't acted? >> that's the problem. the fda was expected to act by now, and that's why the cdc were having their meeting several days after the fda's meeting. i think it will be shocking if there isn't a vote by the end of tomorrow, and also because many americans are already taking matters into their own hands. they'r

. >> we are around vulnerable, older patients, immuno compromised patients.re safe and effective vaccines and have to be mandated for health care workers. >> reporter: in other parts of the country we are seeing the impact of workplace vaccine mandates, states including rhode island and new york set vaccine mandates for health care workers that take effect this week. new york's governor says the state has not seen major staffing shortages following the health care worker vaccine mandate. she says more than 90% got the shot. >> you will see that number go higher quickly. because what we're finiding is s more people are furloughed or espned the number is going up. >> reporter: the governor is working to expand the mandate to include health care workers not regulated by the department of health like some prison employees. what could encourage more work place vaccine mandates? a rule from osha or the occupational safety and health administration for businesses with more than 100 employees. president biden announced it was coming weeks ago but so far it is not out

wilensky based on the fda review, the note that immuno compromised people never got good immune protective -- protection to begin with, we should offer a third dose. we don't have all of the data. have a lot of data from this country and others of the effects waiting. we don't have all of the data, so the studies have been completed and should be available to the fda soon. our objective is to be prepared should all of this process move forward. it has always been pending the approval. all of these doctors have said this could be needed. they said in their statements, eight of them said they determined boosters would be needed. now it's going to the processed amount that is happening next week so we are not going to predetermine what that will say. reporter: whatever those advisor committees recommend, you guys will follow those regulations? ms. psaki: of course. reporter: i want to follow up on the booster question. say it does get delayed, the president said he purchased boosters to be ready. is there any chance that they would expire or need to be sent off to other countries like we have

and the company wentt into bankruptcy, the sackler's trying to take advantage of that bankruptcy immuno they themselves are not bankrupt, wasn't having to deal with writing about something that's a moving target like that? >> it was really hard to have it happening in real time. a lot of the stuff happening is just really complicated so i think some of it for me was, how do you tell this story? i had a frustration to be honest by way of background for people who don't know, you have this company that's guilty twice to criminal charges in c the family who owns the company hasn't hada to face much in the way of consequences, we now know as the prospect of more and more lawsuit only become kind of a threat on the horizon, the family quietly starts pulling money out off the company, $100 million here, 300 million here, they take $10 billion out of the company total. then what happens now you've got 2500 lawsuits against the company and the family says to pat, there's no money anymore and they kick into bankruptcy. they start with lawsuit, the company doesn't have the money, it might have ha

i think about my colleagues who are immuno compromised that are trying to take care of themselves andwho have young children at home who are not able to be vaccinated right now, every day they come to work they have the potential to take that virus home to their 5-year-old. so it makes me pause when i hear people say, well, i just don't want it. if there's a curiosity there, we can talk about the safety of this vaccine. you got to think at this point 45% of the entire globe has been vaccinated. it's proven itself to be safe. >> dr. hilton, thank you. allison barber on the ground in iowa, big thanks to you as well. this is a live look at the national mall where house speaker nancy pelosi is honoring americans that we have lost to covid-19. she's visiting this sort of breathtaking installation that's titled "in america." there's the live shot there. this installation was created by an artist named susan firstenberg. it features more than 660,000 white flags planted across 20 acres, each flag honoring a person who died from the virus in the united states, people like gary keplinger, whos

— who are amino compromised and on immuno compression therapy might not be getting _ immuno compressione. the booster dose, _ dose of the vaccine. the booster dose, which is going to be given out to all— dose, which is going to be given out to all healthy adults and of those with underlying health conditions, that is— with underlying health conditions, that is because studies have shown that is because studies have shown that between six to eight months the antibodies _ that between six to eight months the antibodies can wane and therefore, to make _ antibodies can wane and therefore, to make sure we have coverage and that herd _ to make sure we have coverage and that herd immunity everybody has been _ that herd immunity everybody has been hearing about, to make sure that continues into the winter months. _ that continues into the winter months, they will be rolling that out into — months, they will be rolling that out into the healthy population as well _ out into the healthy population as well. so_ out into the healthy population as well. , , , well. so practically could it be the cas

that the booster shot being made available relatively soon for people who have high risk, either immuno compromised or older or whatever it might be, that is something that is medically necessary but as a public health policy decision there will be other factors at play here and that will be coming up soon and resolved soon. it's inevitable that we're going to get this ball rolling here soon. >> dr. redlener, what is the practical application for people out there who were waiting for some sort of sign today in terms of what they should do? well, i guess we're talking about -- first of all, the general public what do they need to know? eventually there's probably going to be a booster shot quickly made available to people at risk. secondly in terms of the general population that's much more complicated public health and policy decision. but at the end of the day i think the public needs to know that. then the question comes to practicing physicians and vaccine clinics. what are they supposed to do and what they're supposed to do is follow the guidelines that will come out of the fda. but

of the week we're going to have approval of a booster shot for people who are over 65 and who have immuno compromised or other underlying conditions, right? >> andrea, i think that's right. we have very good data that people over the age of 65 would benefit from additional dose of vaccine. this is an age group where their immune systems are simply not as young and spry as they were in their 20s and don't respond as well to the vaccine up front. if you have any waning from lower level of immunity to begin with, you start to see severe disease, hospitalization, death in that elderly over 65 population. the piece remains to be seen is how you define people at high risk. is that high risk for complications, ending up in the hospital and dying from covid, is that high risk with respect to maybe the impact on the workplace, so if teachers get sick, have to call out sick, schools may have to shutdown. if doctors and nurses have to call out sick, even if they're not sick and laying in bed at home, that may mean you can take fewer patients in the hospital. there are other reasons to consider peopl

what is the definition of immuno compromised, anybody over a certain age or if you have this, this, and this. i assume you're hoping that gets cleared up a little today. >> yeah. as we talked in the past, chuck, i thought the two mrna vaccines were a three dose vaccine and the j&j were two dose vaccine. part of the problem wasn't messaged from the very beginning. and so now we're playing catchup on that. and to add to the confusion, we don't have a lot of data in front of us to know the extent to which immunity is declining. >> why is that, why do we have this data issue. >> all the data is coming out of israel and the uk. that's why we have no information on moderna or j&j vaccine, those aren't used in the uk or israel. this is another time where the cdc unfortunately, hate to say this, come up small. we just have not had that adequate presentation of data. we should have this in real time every day knowing break through hospitalizations and cases and other countries do it. >> dr. black stock, my question is sort of is this sort of look, they inherited a tough situation, they've got go

do believe that nurse there treating that immuno compromised cancer patient, should she be required to be vaccinated? >> i think that nurse should fully understand that getting the vaccination is the best way to protect her health and the health of those around her. what is happened in our hospital system, and i have spoken with heads of hospital systems all over virginia, and what they know is they fought the spread of covid with policies, with procedures, with testing. not with mandates. here we go again. my opponent wants to mandate. i respect your ability to make decisions. that is what leaders do. if you disagree with terry mcauliffe, he will make your life difficult. he wants to make virginians life difficult now. we need to come together and work together through the pandemic. the last thing we need is a governor that will go to work to make everyone's life difficult. you appointed adrian bennett chair of your parole board. a report said they violated state laws and said she wrote emails that said "wave your wad of power, cut them loose." -- your wand of power, cut them loose."

who are in nursing homes, people who are frail elders, people with chronic diseases, people with immuno compromised states, they need to be getting that third shot, probably about six months after their second shot. that's where the science and data is. no doubt we want the fda to fully approve that. we want the cdc to aprove it. we don't want to get ahead of the process, but the evidence for vulnerable people needing a third shot i think is coming into focus at this point. whether a young healthy person -- that i'm much less clear about. >> chris: young the people aren't coming -- young healthy people aren't coming up on their six months yet. here's the president basically announcing a program on september 20th before the fda or cdc have approved it, not just for the smaller group you're talking about. does that trouble you at all? >> i would like to [inaudible] a bit cleaner. the way we have always done this in american medicine is we have fda and cdc lead, and then the white house follows. i think what i suspect is happening is the white house is looking at the data from israel. they

a couple with an immuno compromised kid at home went out for dinner and -- >> just came up and basicallyu are going to need your -- to pull your mask down because this is a political situation but the owner here doesn't believe in masks, and, you know, there's a strict no-mask policy here. >> reporter: so they had to leave. >> i spent my money on this business. i've put my blood, sweat and tears in this business. and i don't want any masks in here. >> reporter: in florida, the mask-wearing governor just announced his new surgeon general. >> we feel that joe is just the right guy for the job. >> reporter: last week he wrote that public mask wearing has had, at best, a modest effect on viral transmission. not true. studies show the effect is significant. meantime, the nation's average daily death toll just topped 2,000 lives lost a day. hasn't been that high in more than six months. >> we are going to be living, because of some people's hesitancy to take vaccines, at a plateau, hundreds of people, maybe even a thousand, dieing on a daily basis for the foreseeable future. and by that i mean

fda have the option to split the baby and say if you're 60 or 70-year-old, medically compromised, immunopromised is already approved for these doses, but what half measures or approaches are available or is it an all or nothing thing? >> you might see the fda approve boosters on the cdc's committee that's meeting next week, may give that more particular guidance who should be getting the boosters and phased approach how those should go out. here's my thought. i think there is a more philosophical question as you said, clearly we all agree hospitalizations and deaths need to be protected against. you can't say protection against infection is not helpful, it is just what's the marginal cost of pursuing avoiding these break through infections that might be that somebody has virus in their airway but are not passing it on, it is not causing disease. there's a couple things come into play. we know people are vaccinated are less likely to transmit but need more studies to figure out what, if any, transmission occurs after vaccination. clearly there's some. and the other is what about the nonho