immunogen. >> yeah.ke, because they made, i think, promises for those of us who have lost relatives of cancer that i felt were unfair. but they have ovarian, which is just horrendous. good for them. >> well, abbvie is a believer, jim. >> they need something, abbvie. >> premium, as you see, over where the stock was. and that's, again, let's go back to the spring when the stock was far, far lower, but then moved up dramatically on that positive trial data. they do say, as you saw, accretive to eps in 2027. >>> i want to move on. >> if they've got it, it's unbelievable. i don't want to -- this is so needed. so, let's -- good for them. >> i want to move on to a deal that was reported in the "wall street journal" yesterday as a possibility and that is cigna and humana. "the journal" did not actually specify structure of any kind, but they did indicate cash and stock transaction that many assume would involve cigna being the larger of the two buying humana. spoke to a number of large shareholders, well, at lea