one of pakistani most popular politicians, imran khan is now called taliban kahn, because he's workedo try to bring these guys in from the cold, bring them to the negotiating table but their demands are impossible. what they want is a return to the sixth century. you can't, nobody can negotiate that with them. they want no schools, they want girls not to get any opportunities. for education or anything else for that matter. they want a return to this, their idea of eden is this very primitive place where no pakistani wants to go there. when, they are only able to force people to do these things out of fear. >> well it depends on which pakistanis you're talking about, too, right? the culture there as i understand it, bobby -- and a lot of it comes from you -- there was a real bourgeois class that was very westernized, modernized and you have much more rural and set-back ways that are there and one of the fair criticisms is they've given too much to the taliban already, pervez musharraf wouldn't come clean. how do you deal with that in assessing what they care about? >> that's one of th