all of this happened long before imran khan came to power. s government is trying to pass some legislation to offer better protection for journalists. so why are you exaggerating the impact of imran khan in this negative way? no, i am not exaggerating. i am not exaggerating. if you talk to the human rights minister of imran khan, dr shireen mazari, she will tell you that i tried my level best to cooperate with her to formulate the draft of the journalist protection bill, which was presented recently in the parliament. and she accepted it many times publicly that hamid mir is the one who helped me a lot to make this draft. and all the other media bodies, we are also helping this government, led by imran khan, to make good legislation for the media freedom. but on the other side, the same government which you think is not responsible for imposing censorship on us, the same government is trying to make a new law with the name of pakistan media development authority law through which they want to establish media tribunals and they want to convictj

if this is the case, what might persuade imran khan i firmly.well, they are not in control, to _ islamabad to change strategy? well, they are not in control, to be - they are not in control, to be honest. imran khan was brought into the prime minister's office because he is a booster of the taliban, because he was willing to buy into the general�*s agenda, but it is really military headquarters, general headquarters that needs to get the message and my view is that they will not get the message unless they will not get the message unless the international community speaks with one voice and implements the kind of sanctions regime against them that we have done against vladimir putin and his entourage for invading the ukraine. arguably, the proxy war pakistan has been waiting in afghanistan has been on a much larger scale, in afghanistan has been on a much largerscale, much in afghanistan has been on a much larger scale, much more costly for our countries, but above all for afghans over many more years and vladimir putin's escapades in ukraine. s

to which the prime minister of pakistan, imran khan, responded that he was "disappointed that we have what is going on in afghanistan". and then this week, pakistan's national security advisor said, "we are beginning to see a very conscious, deliberate effort the former canadian ambassador to afghanistan and former deputy un special envoy to afghanistan chris alexander explains what his view of the role of pakistan in afghanistan is. well, i think it's the missing piece of the puzzle when we look at why peace has not come to afghanistan. there has been a peace process under way for two years, direct talks by the taliban by the us and the afghan government and over the longer term, contact with the tell a man for ten years. why is there no permanent ceasefire? in my view, the taliban are still proxies and still an armed forces sent by pakistan as part of its obsession with india, to turn afghanistan back into a virtual province under their authority which it was for five years up until 9/11. this is not a policy that pakistanipakistanis properly embrace or know about, but it is based o

unfortunately, if elections would've been cleared, as prime minister imran khan suggested earlier, and much better than anyone else — it's hugely divided, ethnically a divided country. it's very complex, the divisions that we see in afghanistan. and, unless we don't have those ethnicities represented in the government, stability is a dream. so again, our theme is not different — we again want an original solution, we are in touch with the regional powers, we're in touch with the usa and uk, and we will do all that we can for an inclusive government. as you know, minister chaudhary, the spotlight has been on pakistan and, with many believing that you are not only trying to find a diplomatic political solution, but you of course, for many years now, have been providing military support to the taliban with whom you are believed to have very strong relationships and can exercise a lot of influence. what specifically are you trying to do now to prevent any spiral into further chaos? well, you will appreciate that for years, we've actually been a victim of this whole story of afghanistan. we

prime minister imran khan has reiterated his attempts to broker a peace deal with the taliban, and somehe situation there. thank you so much forjoining us on the programme, sir. you watch the developments in afghanistan closely, tell us what you think is the reason behind the taliban advance. i the reason behind the taliban advance. ~' ., ., ., , advance. i think the doha deal was not really a — advance. i think the doha deal was not really a deal _ advance. i think the doha deal was not really a deal for _ advance. i think the doha deal was not really a deal for peace - advance. i think the doha deal was not really a deal for peace and - not really a deal for peace and reconciliation, it was a deal for withdrawal of american forces and it did not talk about taliban sanctuaries in afghanistan which are there for decades, and pakistan is fully supporting taliban, to live and in a way as an instrument of pakistan's policy of strategic depth in afghanistan. i think pakistan is very happy with taliban's advances, pakistani generals, i should say. the government has no role in shaping this p

call, we now understand, between boris johnson and the pakistani prime minister, imran con, -- imran khanon afghanistan and what is happening. the big fear is that while pakistan in some ways has held its strategy over the past few years in terms of on one hand, being a supporter of the u.s. position, but also maintaining very strong connections with the taliban, whether or not ultimately, they do have to bear the burden of the refugees. it is going to be an issue for pakistan, i think. alix: we will talk about that with the alliancebernstein director on emerging market debt. this is bloomberg. ♪ ♪ >> in time, afghanistan will also need its own manpower, and europe alone cannot assume the consequent is of the current situation. we have to anticipate this and protect ourselves against significant irregular flows of migration. that would endanger the people who use them and feed all sorts of human trafficking. alix: that was french president emmanuel macron speaking on immigration from afghanistan. for more on this and europe's response is bloomberg's been stills, who joins us -- bloomberg'

amy: you have on wednesday the pakistani prime minister imran khan saying that taliban told him that the taliban will refuse to negotiate as long as ashraf ghani remains president. the taliban saying it wants to be recognized as a legitimate leadership of afghanistan. let me go to this clip. >> the taliban senior lucia came and we tried to come to some sort of political settlement. the only thing that would stop afghanistan from sending into anarchy is a political settlement. unfortunately, the taliban when they were here, they felt -- they refused to talk to ashraf ghani. their condition is as long as he is there, they're not going to talk to the government. amy: the significance of what he is saying? >> i hope -- i hope that is really the statement. just a precondition for talking. that is not good enough. if that is the precondition for peace, for cease fire, for guaranteeing a political settlement, then i think the afghan leadership should seriously think about that. i don't want to defend continuation of president ashraf ghani's term because the government is becoming very limit

will pakistan play in afghanistan's future, especially vis-a-vis all these groups when you've got imran khan's government wanting to get international recognition for the taliban, but how can one do that when they retain these odd ties with all these different terrorist group who's are murdering civilians? and also we are looking at the death of 13 u.s. marines who were trying to save lives in afghanistan. >> yeah. it's a complex neighborhood, that's for sure. i wish we had more time. i really appreciate the analysis as always. thanks so much. >> pleasure. >>> all right. coming up here on "cnn newsroom," u.s. president joe biden wants military options to strike back at isis-k. we speak to a retired u.s. air force colonel and cnn military analyst about what that might look like. we'll be right back. microban 24 doesn't just kill bacteria once, then stop. it keeps killing bacteria for 24 hours. just spray and let dry to form a shield that's proven to keep killing bacteria for 24 hours... ...touch after touch. microban 24. tony here from creditrepair.com taking to the streets to talk about credit

pakistan's prime minister imran khan has been quoted as saying that the afghan people had "thrown offortunity to restore life, security and durable peace in afghanistan". russia, china, iran and pakistan are all neighbours and all look set to be key taliban allies. here's our security correspondent frank gardner. all these countries that you've named have in some way done ok out of this. it's a volatile situation, and insecurity and instability in afghanistan is not good for anything from about pakistan, of course, is very close to the taliban from about pakistan, of course, is very close to the taliban, particularly the isi, it is very close to the taliban. china has been one of the first major nations who in fact is the first major nation to say that some actually, it could do business at the new taliban government, and will probably be recognising it. russia has had talks already, but encouragingly, russia special�*s envoy to afghanistan has spoken to his opposite number in the us, so thatis his opposite number in the us, so that is encouraging because the only way that is going to

prime minister imran khan said the afghan people had broken the shackles of slavery.tes, now a senior fellow and director for south and central asia at the hudson institute. ambassador, good to have you with us. there is a rather paradoxical attitude in pakistan towards afghanistan. 0n the one hand, they were an ally on the war on terror, but there were also elements in afghanistan supporting the is insurgency. so do they still have some control over the taliban, and candidate shape what afghanistan becomes? . ~ , . candidate shape what afghanistan becomes? w , ., , , , becomes? pakistan has consistently said it has no _ becomes? pakistan has consistently said it has no control— becomes? pakistan has consistently said it has no control over _ becomes? pakistan has consistently said it has no control over the i said it has no control over the taliban. the international community said that pakistan supports the taliban, pakistan denied it. but the triumphalism we see coming out of islamabad seems to indicate that they actually did want the taliban to succeed, even thoug

if elections had been played as prime minister imran khan had suggested earlier and we had worked onrnment. tats everything we can for an inclusive government-— government. as you know, the s . otli . ht government. as you know, the spotlight has — government. as you know, the spotlight has been _ government. as you know, the spotlight has been on - government. as you know, the| spotlight has been on pakistan. government. as you know, the - spotlight has been on pakistan. with many believing that you are not only trying to find a diplomatic political solution but you have also been for many years providing military support to the taliban with whom you are believed to have very strong relationships and can exercise a lot of influence. what specifically are you trying to do now to prevent any spiral into further chaos?— now to prevent any spiral into further chaos? ., ., , , . ., further chaos? you will appreciate, over the years _ further chaos? you will appreciate, over the years we _ further chaos? you will appreciate, over the years we have _ further chaos? you will appreciate, ove

relationship with the taliban, and whether they were involved with al-qaeda when they were in afghanistan, imran khanif i - what we think. i think you are absolutely spot on. if i can i what we think. i think you are l absolutely spot on. if i can just come to pakistan, if i say this, intensive developmental support for afghanistan, the people who need our help, we need friends of syria, other partnerships, people had to come together through a contact group, the united kingdom can facilitate bring them all together. your point on pakistan, i think you're absolutely right. which country has suffered the most from the withdrawal of the international community from afghanistan? when benazir bhutto was my government came in, as a result, they lost 80,000 civilians, and also the school incident, innocent children killed by the taliban in pakistan. the country itself has suffered immensely as a result of what's been going on in afghanistan into pakistan, they need our support, so with regards to your point, we have cut international development aid 4.7% to .5%, i voted against that. i think we need suppor

pakistan's prime minister imran khan declared that afghans had "broken the shackles of slavery". i heard you talking about earlier today, a meeting is due to take place between the russian ambassador and the taliban. what more can you tell us about that? the russian more can you tell us about that? tt2 russian ambassador in kabul is supposed to be having a meeting today with the taliban to discuss security details. yesterday moscow said that the taliban had taken over security of securing the perimeter of the russian embassy in kabul and the meeting today supposed to discuss longer term security arrangements but the message coming out of moscow is basically russia is not panicking about the situation and russia is not leaving. there are no plans to shut the embassy, although some diplomatic staff will be evacuated. the other message coming out of moscow is huge criticism of america and particularlyjoe biden for what is happening. let me show you some of the front pages of the russian papers today. this is the government papers today. this is the government paper and its headline