not only ukraine declared independence, but every other republic declared inagainst at that time -- independence at that time, and the united states didn't want that to happen. after that, yeltsin changes the course. but this particular -- these particular regions were already there from the very beginning. another point linking events of 1991 and today's event that i want to make was about the question of what drives putin's policy in the area today, whether this is really the way how the united states and the nato countries are moving into the neighborhood, or there is, there is something else. and my take on that is that it should be something else. very often what is mentioned as the reason for unhappiness is the -- [inaudible] given to -- [inaudible] after the reunification of germany. history is a funny thing, you can go into history and find almost everything what you want to find there. first of all, except the document that everyone -- [inaudible] written. you go to september of 1991, and you can see yeltsin and secretary of state james baker discussing the issue of possible russian mem